Hi,

Would the HMDI output on newer video cards allow for accurate monitoring to a HDMI input on a HD TV, in Vegas 7?

Cheers,
Robert

Interesting question. I don't have a video card with HDMI on it, but would like to try one as a secondary monitor out. If you have one, output color bars an make comparisons. I'd love to hear a report.

I've got a Sony Blu-ray laptop with HDMI out, when editing with Vegas on it I use the HDMI output to a Sony Bravia TV for viewing the preview window and the colours are much more accurate than on the PC screen.

... If you have one, output color bars an make comparisons. I'd love to hear a report.

I don't have one as yet, as I am just building a new system, but based on the replys here I will make sure I get the HDMI output.

Thanks,

I've got a Sony Blu-ray laptop with HDMI out, when editing with Vegas on it I use the HDMI output to a Sony Bravia TV for viewing the preview window and the colours are much more accurate than on the PC screen.

Tony, what is the model number of your laptop? I am thinking about investing in one for the same purpose, and have been looking at the Sony VGN-AR590E.

Are you happy with its performance? How much RAM?

Yeah, very interested here... but how about taking it a step further.... could one hook up two video cards, to power two 22 - 24" monitors for timeline and windows, and a second video card with hdmi out for monitoring HD on secondary monitor? Since BlackMagic isn't (yet) supporting the Intensity for Vegas... it seems like this solution would be as good... but I may be missing something, as I am not a tech expert. What do you guys think?

And can I just say, I love that DVInfo requires a real name for posting. Much more professional, and I think it discourages flame-like and derogatory posting.

I'll agree 100% with Mark..

If you're not willing to state your full real name, then go somewhere else..

In regards to the HDMI thing, what video card do you plan on buying that actually has an HDMI out port on it?

Jon

You don't need a video card with HDMI output to drive the HDMI input on a LCD or plasma monitor. HDMI is really nothing more than standard DVI video with the audio delivered in the same cable using a different connector. I'm driving a Vizio VU42L 42" LCD at 1920x1080 using the DVI output of an nVidia 9750GT card. It works great and looks great. All you need is a DVI to HDMI cable, which are available just about everywhere, even Walmart. The DVI and HDMI connectors are the same gender, so you can use the cable for DVI > HDMI or HDMI > DVI.

I have two of the Vizio monitors and hooked both of them up as the primary and secondary monitors in Windows. Running Windows and Vegas on two 42" monitors was pretty darned cool. No eye strain there!

John, would love a photo of THAT setup...
...and thanks for that reminder of HDMI being the same as DVI...

Mark,

I just hooked them up that way once simply because I could. I now have one each of the 42" monitors in two different editing suites. However, I liked it so much, I'm considering getting two more Vizio monitors and doing the dual 42" Windows monitor thing in both rooms. Then I can sit back in a big, comfortable recliner chair with a wireless keyboard and mouse and get some work done. I'll get a recliner for the client, too. Of course, it may be so comfortable that all I get done is some serious napping. Perhaps I should just forget it.

These 42" Vizio monitors are a terrific bang for the buck. $1,199 each at Costco. They are full 1080p and have a built-in HDTV/analog tuner with one composite, one S-Video, one VGA, two component and two HDMI inputs, plus optical S/PDIF out. They look pretty good out of the box and can look really good with some minor tweaking. Vizio also has 47" and 52" models. The 52" is only $2,299.

John

Westinghouse digital also makes a 42" LCD (LVM-42w2
) that is full 1080p and has a DVI input to accept a direct signal. This can also be had online for about $1200 delivered.

Jon

I'll agree 100% with Mark..

In regards to the HDMI thing, what video card do you plan on buying that actually has an HDMI out port on it?

Jon

I was thinking along the lines of ... for nvidia
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/news/view.php?cid=6&id=8095

or going down the Radeon path..

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/news/view.php?cid=6&id=7665

In theory you are correct about DVI / HDMI being the same. In practice it ain't necessarily so, and anyone making "big bucks" decisions on that basis had better watch out.

There is, without doubt, a serious difference between DVI/ HDMI with some graphics cards. My partners laptop works a treat to our Sony Bravia screen (apart from not having the resolution to do it justice) but my Matrox graphics card simply refuses to O/P a signal the TV can recognise.

If you type "HDMI Problem" into Google, you will get 3,789 pages of stuff that attests to the problems with HDMI connection in general and DVI / HDMI connection in particular.

If your setup worked first time, straight out of the box, great. But I would NOT advise anyone to spend a squillion bucks on screens, thinking it will automatically connect and work with their DVI O/P from a graphics card.

I do know that many, if not most, graphics card manufacturers specifically state that operation of HDMI screens with their DVI O/P cards is not supported and certainly NOT guaranteed.

Why this is the case, I have, after many months of investigation, still been unable to discover. If anyone knows, they're keeping pretty damn quiet about it.

In the end, if there is the remotest possibilty that anyone might want to watch protected Blu - ray or HD DVD content on their PC, it simply does not make sense to go for the DVI option if the HDMI with HDCP option is availabe.

Just my 2 cents.

CS

Hello

i was tempted to start a new thread for my question but due to the similarites i think it may be ok here. I have a Sony HVR-M10E deck being delivered soon and i want to be able to use it to monitor my footage from vegas on my high def samsung tv via hdmi. now to my knowledge i have a few ways of connecting my tv but im wondering which connection will give me the highest resolution/accurate picture reproduction for colour correcting etc. my options are:

vga from pc to vga input on my tv

composite out from vtr deck to tv

high def composite out from my deck (not sure what its called but im refering to the red, green and blue connections) to my tv

svideo from vtr deck to tv

or som sort of hybrid cable that goes from a red green blue connector from my vtr deck to a hdmi connection for my tv.

This is my first dilema, my next is to find out if i can view an output on more than one monitor at the same time (i mean tv monitor from my deck not pc monitors, i have a hi def tv and sdtv of which id like to have monitoring the vegas output at the same time)

Any input would be much appreciated.

You only have a few options for monitoring HD from the Vegas timeline.
HDMI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
DVI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
Component from an HD card ie; AJA
HD SDI out from an HD card ie; AJA

HD is not like DV in that you can expect the firewire out to go to a deck and have the deck do digital to analog conversion.

In theory you are correct about DVI / HDMI being the same. In practice it ain't necessarily so, and anyone making "big bucks" decisions on that basis had better watch out.

There is, without doubt, a serious difference between DVI/ HDMI with some graphics cards. My partners laptop works a treat to our Sony Bravia screen (apart from not having the resolution to do it justice) but my Matrox graphics card simply refuses to O/P a signal the TV can recognise.

If you type "HDMI Problem" into Google, you will get 3,789 pages of stuff that attests to the problems with HDMI connection in general and DVI / HDMI connection in particular.

If your setup worked first time, straight out of the box, great. But I would NOT advise anyone to spend a squillion bucks on screens, thinking it will automatically connect and work with their DVI O/P from a graphics card.

I do know that many, if not most, graphics card manufacturers specifically state that operation of HDMI screens with their DVI O/P cards is not supported and certainly NOT guaranteed.

Why this is the case, I have, after many months of investigation, still been unable to discover. If anyone knows, they're keeping pretty damn quiet about it.

In the end, if there is the remotest possibilty that anyone might want to watch protected Blu - ray or HD DVD content on their PC, it simply does not make sense to go for the DVI option if the HDMI with HDCP option is availabe.

Just my 2 cents.

CS

I agree, which is why I would sooner recommend a LCD screen that features a DVI input. It's a shame so few do and I can't understand for the life of me why not. So many "big screens" are all still accepting the plain 15pin RGB VGA port. What gives!?!?!

It's either that or wait until graphics cards ship with HDMI out and also support HDCP.

Jon

You only have a few options for monitoring HD from the Vegas timeline.
HDMI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
DVI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
Component from an HD card ie; AJA
HD SDI out from an HD card ie; AJA

HD is not like DV in that you can expect the firewire out to go to a deck and have the deck do digital to analog conversion.

Thanks DSE, that was a big help. But, I was surprised that preview works at all while editing HD from the timeline with a SD TV connected by a S connection through my old SD camcorder connected by firewire. I know it's not displaying HD, but I'm just very surprised external preview connected in this conventional manner still worked and is usable for me.

Also on previewing HDV in real time, B&H recently published this article:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/newsLetter/HDV-Real-Time.jsp

I have a Sony HDTV setup as a 2nd monitor. My video card has 2 DVI outputs. I bought a DVI to HDMI cable, set Vegas for secondary monitor preview and voila.

[QUOTE=Douglas Spotted Eagle;735012]You only have a few options for monitoring HD from the Vegas timeline.
HDMI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
DVI from a card, Vegas set to secondary monitor
Component from an HD card ie; AJA
HD SDI out from an HD card ie; AJA


If I had two monitors identically calibrated and I had an component or sdi aja card connected to one and used the HDMI output with vegas as a secondary monitor to the other LCD, would the output look identical on both?

colorwise, they should look identical. I have a crummy (OK, not so crummy) Sony Premiere monitor next to a Sony BVM20 with SDI, and they look very much the same. Texture is different, as of course you'll always see when a CRT is compared to an LCD.

There are also some cards (nVidia and ATI/AMD) that do component HD out.

I'll try hooking the new Vaio FZ notebook to a Bravia XBR4 this weekend and let you guys know how the 1080 performance is.

Mark,

These 42" Vizio monitors are a terrific bang for the buck. $1,199 each at Costco. They are full 1080p and have a built-in HDTV/analog tuner with one composite, one S-Video, one VGA, two component and two HDMI inputs, plus optical S/PDIF out. They look pretty good out of the box and can look really good with some minor tweaking. Vizio also has 47" and 52" models. The 52" is only $2,299.

John

Got to love falling prices. I Just picked up the 42" Vizio 1080P at Costco yesterday for $1,099. I'm off to Fry's to get a Nvidia 8600 GTS today and the required power supply upgrade. I'll report back on how it plays with Vegas 7 and hopefully 8 in a week.

I was wondering if the old caveat about consumer TVs should apply here. Consumer grade TV, even LCDs, have circuitry to make the image look good. That is not the same as accurate. Is there a way to turn image enhancement off?

Got to love falling prices. I Just picked up the 42" Vizio 1080P at Costco yesterday for $1,099. I'm off to Fry's to get a Nvidia 8600 GTS today and the required power supply upgrade. I'll report back on how it plays with Vegas 7 and hopefully 8 in a week.

Do tell.. I'd love to hear what you are seeing with this combination...

Jon

Do tell.. I'd love to hear what you are seeing with this combination...

Jon

I ended up with a nVidia 7900GS ($199 less $50 rebate) which required a new power supply (as will any "real" video card if your powers supply is 250 watts). It works perfectly using a DVI to HDMI cable. I'm not qualified to comment on "true" color but I like what I see and the clarity looks great with the card putting out a 1080x1920 DVI signal. The card also outputs HD component signal but I've not played with that.

I had no problems but I'm running a very main stream late model, major brand everything, all Vista certified config. Although for performance I'm going to install XP as a dual boot option. Then I'm going to run the veg tests on both OS which should be interesting.

I wouldn't expect you to get too much of a performance variation between the two OS's but if Vista is faster, I'd be surprised....

Where did you get the DVI to HDMI connector?

I wouldn't expect you to get too much of a performance variation between the two OS's but if Vista is faster, I'd be surprised....

Where did you get the DVI to HDMI connector?

Everyone has them. I got my cable at Fry's. Vizio sells them on their website from short to 30 feet long.

I'm just wondering if there might be a quality/compatability difference between adapters, but maybe not...

I'm just wondering if there might be a quality/compatability difference between adapters, but maybe not...

Based on a lot of experience including 5 years with Microsoft Consulting & Premier Support I'm sure you can find a pairing that will not work. nVidia and Vizio are big players with the money to make sure the products work well.

I recently bought an HP 4090 "Media" PC and loaded Vegas. The 4090 came with NVidia GeForce 8400 GS which has DVI, HMDI and Svid. It also has inputs for capturing DV via firewire as well s Svid & composite.

I connected 2 LCD PC monitors to the DVI by using Matrox Dual2Go. I connected an HD LCD TV using HMDI. After a lot of tweaking, it all is working, tho I'm wondering if it's the best arrangement. The NVidia is set for multiple monitors with the PC monitor as primary and the TV as secondary. I'm currently doing SD, plan to by an HD cam soon. [Sony HVR-Z7?]

The 2 PC monitors have Vegas spread over them. The TV shows the desktop wallpaper image until I drag something onto it, such as Media Player to play an AVI I rendered from what I edited in Vegas. Or I can drag the Vegas Preview window there and stretch it out, which of course reduces the resolution.

What I'd really like is a way to view what I've edited on a TV connected as a TV, rather than a TV connected to a PC graphics card. But, without having to spend a lot or having to crack the case and add something inside. I'm anxious to see what the image looks like on the TV once I get an HD cam.

Just my 2 cents.

I have a Sony HDTV setup as a 2nd monitor. My video card has 2 DVI outputs. I bought a DVI to HDMI cable, set Vegas for secondary monitor preview and voila.

I'm trying to do the same thing. My 8600GTS Nvidia card has options to use either "clone" mode where both monitors display the same thing, or to extend the desktop. The only way I can get the preview onto the HDTV is to extend the desktop and move the preview window into the HDTVs desktop space.

I'm new to Vegas, but I thought that setting the preview preferences to the secondary display would send the preview to that display, as opposed to a window on the same desktop. What am I missing?

...The only way I can get the preview onto the HDTV is to extend the desktop and move the preview window into the HDTVs desktop space.

I'm new to Vegas, but I thought that setting the preview preferences to the secondary display would send the preview to that display, as opposed to a window on the same desktop. What am I missing?
You're half-way there - setting up the secondary display as an extended desktop is the right way to set up your displays in Windows.

Now go to Options | Preferences | Preview Device | Device and select "Windows Secondary Display". You should now be able to click the little screen icon over the preview window and see preview full screen on the secondary display.

Note that dragging the preview window to the secondary display also has its uses. That way you can get a preview of a specific size when you need it. Eg., if you're doing a 640x480 project for PC viewing you can precisely size the preview window to that size.

Inspired by the reappearance of this thread, I've been emailing with Black Magic tech support regarding compatibility with Vegas of their Intensity and Intensity Pro HDMI cards.

They say:
"Beta" support of Vegas 8.
Preview out to HDMI works.
Intensity is seen as a capture device by Vegas. If the source expects HDCP handshaking (eg. copy protection on a set-top DVD player) it won't get it from Intensity and you'll not be able to capture from that source.

I had asked specifically about capture from the Sony HVR-V1 (an HDV camcorder with HDMI output), they had no direct experience of it.

Over in the Cineform forum there was discussion a couple months back of experiences with V1 > Intensity, using the Cineform capture software for direct transcode to Cineform's codec at 10 bit - apparently this works.

You're half-way there - setting up the secondary display as an extended desktop is the right way to set up your displays in Windows.

Now go to Options | Preferences | Preview Device | Device and select "Windows Secondary Display". You should now be able to click the little screen icon over the preview window and see preview full screen on the secondary display.

Note that dragging the preview window to the secondary display also has its uses. That way you can get a preview of a specific size when you need it. Eg., if you're doing a 640x480 project for PC viewing you can precisely size the preview window to that size.
Thanks... good tip about the sizing... and for some reason yesterday it started showing the preview full screen when I pressed the button, when it hadn't before, even though I had set the options as you stated. /shrug But I've chosen to -not- use the extended desktop with the HDTV, because that forces both displays to use the same resolution, which is less than optimal for my editing monitor. My Panny 50" commercial, when connected by HDMI, won't accept native resolution (to do that you have use a DVI input card... Grrrr), and the resolution options are limited. The resolution options available using HDMI mess up the resolution on my primary display, as the native resolution of the display is no longer available! (double Grrrr). In clone mode, I can set the resolutions separately. If I had enough foresight and knowledge (didn't know I'd be doing this when I bought the HDTV), I'd have chosen a TV and editing display that both had the same native resolution, and interfaces that would work the way they needed to.

So anyway, when I preview now, the full screen is used on -both- displays. I'd rather have that than a sloppy resolution on the editing screen (looks pretty bad at a resolution the TV will support), and it appears I have to choose one or the other... sigh. There may be a way to sort it out using powerstrip or something.. but for now I'm going to actually start editing stuff :-)

Perhaps this is what was said...
I have 2 monitors one is DVI/VGA and the other is DVI/HDMI (Gateway FHD2400).
The Gateway is connected DVI and the other is VGA. I can open windows to different displays or drag Vegas across both displays. Could I do the same with the 8400 GS only use HDMI on my Gateway and the DVI on the other? Would every thing look and act the same as I have now?

One other question that I have. When I set the gateway to 1920x1080 I have to scroll the desktop left and right to see every thing. What am I doing wrong? I am currently running 1680 x1050 so I don't have to scroll. My video cards is a FX 5700LE. Drivers are current.