View Full Version : New Aspect/Prosect HD/2K version in beta: Update!


David Newman
November 10th, 2007, 06:29 PM
This is repost of the beta annoucement. We are now at build 142, which addressed the Aspect HD issue with the new "Force YUV" control. In addition to the features list below (in the original beta post,) there are several more subtle changes that you shouldn't see (hopefully.) Including: more CineForm RAW upgrades, some small fixes for Blackmagic captures and internal upgrades to CineForm 444 encoding.

Orginal post with new links: ----------------------

Welcome to version 3.2 (PHD/P2K) and v5.2 (AHD.) There have been I lot of under-the-hood changes and some new features and several bug fixes. As so many elements have changed in the release, I though I should beta test with DVInfo users first -- you are a calmer, more thoughtful lot. :)

Another reason to release as beta, is HD Expo is on for the next couple of days, halving our support staff at the office. So anything you find wrong with the beta post here or send a measage my DVInfo account -- I'm not going to HD Expo (sadly it is a show I always miss, yet I've heard good things http://www.hdexpo.net/.) If all goes well we hope that 3.2 can be out officially sometime next week.

Big additions :

1) NVidia level shifts, we stopping trying to use their broken YUV surface, now you can preview to RGB surface, preventing the color shift. In the playback controls you can now set whether to use YUV surface or not.

2) M2T export is back, and much better than before, as it now uses the Tsunami MPEG2 Encoder directly through the CineForm M2T export movie option. As it has been a long time since this worked correctly, here is a technote to remind everyone how to use the M2T export : http://www.cineform.com/products/TechNotes/M2TExport.htm

Links:

Prospect HD : http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/ProspectHD-3.2.0.142-Setup.zip
Prospect 2K : http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect2K-3.2.0.142-Setup.zip
Aspect HD : http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/AspectHD-5.2.0.95-Setup.zip
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Hernan Vilchez
November 10th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Installed the beta of Aspect, try to playback a timeline i was working, the screen is green, both with YUV on and off....

I have nvidia Quadro FX 1500 and Premiere CS3

David Newman
November 10th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I just tried the Aspect HD beta and it works fine. You should try a reinstall.

David Newman
November 10th, 2007, 11:04 PM
Here it is:
Prospect 2K-DL : http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect2K-DualLink-3.2.0.142-Setup.zip

Carlos Bustamante
November 11th, 2007, 05:35 AM
Dear David,
The latest Beta of Aspect 5.2 (build 95) worked very well, after I checked the "Force YUV" for playback.
Thanks.

Stephen Armour
November 11th, 2007, 07:34 AM
David, before I retry the very newest beta, I need to verify something with you.

The first beta worked fine......until we tried to play some older CFed material in PP3. It would not preview correctly. Is this something we should not expect to find in this very latest beta? When we reloaded the previous stable version, it was normal again.

We have a Parhelia APVe on that system.

Stephen Armour
November 11th, 2007, 07:48 AM
Link for the Prospect HD is for the Prospect 2K ... and that one scrambled the older material too.

I edited the link and it worked: http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/ProspectHD-3.2.0.142-Setup.zip

Stephen Armour
November 11th, 2007, 08:05 AM
The latest Prospect HD beta (ProspectHD-3.2.0.142-Setup.zip) also scrambles the preview.

The older release (ProspectHDv312b139-071004.zip) works fine though.

Steven Gotz
November 11th, 2007, 10:01 AM
DAvid,

The link you posted to the M2T export tech note is broken.

David Newman
November 11th, 2007, 10:10 AM
M2T Tech note link is fixed. The Prospect HD link is fixed.

All old media should work fine, what are you seeing?

What is scambled in the preview? With a Parhelia you may require (and should use) "Force YUV".

We added the RGB mode to fix NVidia issues, however YUV is still the best output mode if your card supports it. We haven't any cards that don't support RGB, but maybe you have. With the "Force YUV" set, version 3.2 behaves just like 3.1 on preview playback.

Hernan Vilchez
November 11th, 2007, 10:45 AM
Green screens with Aspect 5.2 if i apply any filter to the clips and preview in the timeline. Uninstalled and reinstalled. Have nVidia Quadro FX1500. Never happened before---

David Newman
November 11th, 2007, 10:45 AM
If you can't get a good preview without Force YUV set, could you send me a screen shot (you might need to use a camera) and the brand and model of your video card. Also is anyone having issues with having Force YUV set. We currently default for Force YUV off, we could switch that if some graphics cards has issue. I've tested a few NVidia card and a ATI 9600Pro which all work. I've haven't tested the Parhelia.

Carl Middleton
November 11th, 2007, 11:02 AM
Just to confirm, the GeForce 8800 GTS does not support overlay with Force YUV unchecked. The overlay disappears upon playback, and reappears once playback stops. I don't think I'll make the mistake of buying an nVidia card again for video editing!

Other than nvidia's screwup there, the new release runs great, and is working quite well. :)

Carl

Hernan Vilchez
November 11th, 2007, 11:07 AM
Im serious, this update somehow managed to stop my workflow, now previewing with the previous version installed and applying any filter shows me also green screens. I will submit a ticket. This is not good at all for me....

Hernan Vilchez
November 11th, 2007, 11:11 AM
No need of screen shots: all the frame is green while previewing. The sound is still there. I was working easy and nice till applying this update...!

Ive lost 1 day of work! My client expected me to deliver the job tomorrow...

My card : nVidia FX Quadro 1500 Video Edition (similar to the FX540).

Please some help!

David Newman
November 11th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Ive lost 1 day of work! My client expected me to deliver the job tomorrow...

OK, now I feel not much sympathy. Does Beta not translate?

Beta = Don't use on time critical projects.

That aside, anyone else seeing green?

Carl Middleton
November 11th, 2007, 11:42 AM
now previewing with the previous version installed and applying any filter shows me also green screens.

Have you tried uninstalling all Cineform programs, rebooting, reinstalling the last stable version from www.cineform.com, rebooting, and trying again? As well, have you tried just toggling Force YUV?

Hernan Vilchez
November 11th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Have you tried uninstalling all Cineform programs
Do u mean uninstall Adobe Suite? or just the update (what ive done twice already)

As well, have you tried just toggling Force YUV?
Ive tried all the options possible

I repeat it only happens when i apply a filter.

If im the only case, my fault. So please somebody else having green screens?

OK, now I feel not much simpathy
???

Stephen Armour
November 11th, 2007, 06:24 PM
M2T Tech note link is fixed. The Prospect HD link is fixed.

All old media should work fine, what are you seeing?

What is scambled in the preview? With a Parhelia you may require (and should use) "Force YUV".

We added the RGB mode to fix NVidia issues, however YUV is still the best output mode if your card supports it. We haven't any cards that don't support RGB, but maybe you have. With the "Force YUV" set, version 3.2 behaves just like 3.1 on preview playback.

The "force YUV" worked fine. I didn't realize that the settings could be saved from session to session and the old one had the "force YUV" turned off. New one was on...

Live and learn! Thanks David, the rest looks great so far.

Hernan Vilchez
November 12th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Im still experiencing green screens with the new version of Aspect when i apply whatever filter to the timeline. If i render, no problem. Without rendering, green screens.

I can preview Cineform filters, but they dont show the effect, just the original clip.

Before applying the update this never happened. Reinstalled different Aspect previous versions and keeps on with the green revolution. Its stopped completely my workflow.

Ive already submitted a ticket, please Cineform, understand my situation

Im the only one with this problem?

Graham Hickling
November 14th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Trial versions of AspectHD used to offer to leave behind their free decoders when they were being uninstalled.

I don't think either AHD5.1 or this 5.2Beta did that for me just now. Has something changed?

David Newman
November 14th, 2007, 03:26 PM
We don't need that feature any longer, just install NEO Player on PC that need decode only.

Hernan Vilchez
November 14th, 2007, 04:07 PM
David, i talk u as the customer i am. Im i the only one with this problem of the green screens?

If so, my system is faulty and i would need to reinstall it all from zero (3 days of work)... as soon as possible.

And install AspectHDv5.1.2 build 92... and lets wait for the usually-working definitive-versions of Cineform.