Hello all-
I was wondering if anyone had a working knowledge of Product Placement, or Branding? You know, Coke pays Paramount X dollars to have their billboard shown, or the characters drink their soda.

My thinking was ( Hold on people!), Big name products pay big bucks to get their name seen. How can I get in on this? Is it possible if you aren't a major name production? I would gladly, and understandably, take much less than say the SuperBowl or Paramount.

On the other side of that coin, you can't legally show an actual product in your movie or show without the property rights. Is there some middle ground?

Keith,
I don't know how this works in your neck of the globe. But here, such matters are handled and negotiated by public relations firms (i.e. advertising agencies) representing the brands involved. For a major theatrical release you can easily be looking at payments to the producers of 6-7 figure sums for placement exposure.

Ken- I wouldn't say my part of the globe is around the neck... lower :)

Either way, I only know a little about such things, and am curious. You know what they say? A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I must be a very dangerous person! :)

However, I am seriously working on a low budget feature length, and if I can pimp anything out to help cover production costs... So much the better, right?

What would happen if my character just happened to be drinking
a "Coke" in my movie?? Might this be seen as false advertisement?

Depends on whether or not (s)he choked on it! ;-)

Rob,
Nigel's actually pretty close to correct. For such a micro-market piece I don't think that Coke would take any notice nor would the potential negative publicity be worth their effort. But, in fact, if a character bashed-in another character's head with a can of Coke you could very well be in some hazard.

All that stuff is why you aren't allowed to show an actual product, for fear of negative representation. However, they will pay huge sums to have their product shown in a positive light.

Depends on the company and who you are. Coke "might" just say you can use their can in the shot but no money. But a local restaurant chain "might" give you $500 plus permission.

I'm sorry, I've never understood this: why do you need PERMISSION to show brand names and such in your movie? Isn't this like free advertising for these people? Why do they always cover up a letter on the name of a popular cereal, or turn the coke can around so you don't see the logo?

Say you owned Coke. Somebody shows your product on screen. Great! Free Advertising! Then the person on screen chokes and dies from the Coke. How is that positive? It isn't. Cigarettes and alcohol use even stricter standards I believe.

It's the same as taking someone's picture and selling it. You need permission to make money from them. Coke owns the logo so if you want to make money using the Coke logo you need permission.

why do you need PERMISSION to show brand names and such in your movie.
It's the same as taking someone's picture and selling it.
Okay, it's not the same thing as taking someone's picture and selling it, nor do you need permission to show brand names in movies.

It is illegal (in most states) to commercially appropriate someone's name, likeness, etc., i.e. there are statutes that prohibit using images of people without permission, though the nature of the prohibitions vary from state to state. These statutes do not apply to brand names.

With respect to showing products and/or brand names, the concern is the Lanham Act, which is the federal trademark law which prohibits use of a trademark so as to cause likelihood of consumer confusion as to origin, sponsorship or endorsement. It is this latter that causes concern -- would the audience think that the mark owner endorsed or sponsored the film? In most cases the answer is, "no," and there is no liability for trademark infringement created (which doesn't mean that you wouldn't get sued anyway).

An additional concern, with respect to marks, is trademark dilution, defined in the Lanham as causing a famous mark (only famous marks are protected against dilution) to either be tarnished, i.e. brought into disrepute, or to have it's source-designating character diminished. Having a character in a porno film drink from a Coke can is a good example of tarnishment.

Sluts get thirsty too!

But isnt' it retarded when you're watching a show and they're just drinking "Cola"? I mean, where the hell do you buy that? I'd rather see someone with a brand namd that's at least real than get hung up on thinking about "Cola." If no sluts are drinking the drink, and no one chokes on it, then where's the harm? If I happen to make money on a project, it is not BECAUSE the character is drinking a Coke (usually). It's because the character who drinks the Coke (which has no remotely significant part in the larger plot of the movie) is part of a story that someone feels has enough artistic merit to pay me for. Retarded, I tell you.

I just saw a film called "Sleepless Town" which is set around Shinjuku in Tokyo. Half the scenes were exteriors. If you know Tokyo or seen pictures of it, you know that there are signs and logos emblazoned everywhere. Can't avoid product placement there.

Paul obviously knows a lot more than I but I believe that has to do with being in a public place and anything that can be seen from a public place is fair game.

I don't want to say what they do with a can of coke in "Deep Throat" but the song "the real thing, bubbles bubbles bubbles" playing the background kinda makes the scene funny.

Zac

Paul obviously knows a lot more than I
That's because I'm a licensed attorney who practices intellectual property law.

but
Why is there a "but"? Law isn't a matter of belief. It is what is.

but I believe that has to do with being in a public place and anything that can be seen from a public place is fair game.
And you're belief is simply wrong.

Paul- Please E-mail me whenever you get a chance... Capt_Quirk@hotmail.com

Zac- I remember that scene! God that was ages ago!

Keith,

Hehe, my friend got me the DVD he even provided the receipt that said on it "educational title", we laughed all the way through it. It was a classic to be sure.

Zac

I think I saw it in like 1980 at a drive in. It was a farce more than a porn. It was outright hilarious though.

Kieth that movie sent me on the hunt for more gems...

So far my friend and I have collected, behind the green door,
debbie does dallas, deep throat, sodomania, Johnny Wadd, my tongue is quick (don't ask) and quite a few others. My biggest gem was a bootleg tape of around 60 trailers to 1970's porn films, they were a huge inspiration to a design piece i did for my masters project, everyone loved it.

Zac

Paul,

There was a 'but' because I was deferring to you. BTW, you didn't answer his question.

Zac- I had rented behind the green door several years ago. Tell me... In your copy, is there a commercial for a giant invisible box about half way through?

Keith, I think so,

I know in one of the movies, there is 2 giant somethings that run around and eat people. :)

Zac

Thank you Zac... People never seem to believe me, and I even started to doubt myself! But, I know it was really there, cause I rewound the tape and watched it again and again! It really was a commercial for an invisible box!

BTW, you didn't answer his question.
Do you mean the original question about getting product placement for small productions? Well, I don't know the answer to that. I'm actually going to try something similar for some travel videos I want to sell over the internet. However, I'm just as much in the dark as everyone else about whether it will work. My only edge is I can write the contract if I get a deal. ;)

Paul- Watch out for those legal fees! I've heard about those attorneys :)

I give myself the "family discount." ;)

What I meant to say with my earlier remark might be something
that only occurs here in The Netherlands. Say we have a TV show
or radio show here. Now if someone there says something like:

" I bought this couch at XYZ and it's great! "

-or-

" This drink is nice " (while showing a coke)

They can get heafty fines from an organisation here in The
Netherlands for product placement. In other words, they are
promoting the product without naming others or getting paid
for it and is therefor not allowed.

I think it would be allowed if someone would say:

" Yeah I've been to shop XYZ and YZX and BHG and they had
some nice stuff there "

Can anyone follow this at all?

In one of the "extras" on the "Lost in La Mancha" DVD, Gilliam mentions in an interview with Salman Rushdie that he ran into trouble with a mural painter for including a mural he'd painted in the background of a scene in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas."

He doesn't go into detail...but mentions that it took money to make the problem go away.