View Full Version : How can I get 720p 59.94 from my HD100?
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 05:24 PM I have shot a project and now ready to send to http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/html/specs.html
They do not except 720p 23.98
1080i/59.94
HD D-5
1080p/24
1080p/23.98 psf
1080i/59.94
HDV
1080i or 720P/59.94
How can I get the 59.94 from this 720p 23.98 footage???
Im in a pickle guys please help......
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM Im so screwed I have footage on firestore and tape all 720p 23.98
how can I get a 59.94 from this footage or cam???
Ian Planchon March 12th, 2008, 07:41 PM umm, I am assuming you shot it in 24p? because I dont know if you are gonna be able to CHANGE the frame rate out of the camera. you might be able to take it into an NLE and export it out at that frame rate? but thats gonna look weird, because it was not shot 60p. these people dont take 30?
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM These are the only HD formats they ecxept..
1080i/59.94
HD D-5
1080p/24
1080p/23.98 psf
1080i/59.94
HDV
1080i or 720P/59.94
I did shoot 30p though! I just need to double the frames somehow...
Thx for a reply!
Ian Planchon March 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM my thought would be, send in the footage, 10 bucks says they never know (as long as everything else looks fine).
or, you could just not send it. were you "hired" by them, or did you shoot something, and are trying to sell it to them?
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM I just assumed proHD 720p was fine!
So wrong I am!
I know component out is 720p 59.94 when the camera is playing!
I not sure what I would have to do to capture it?
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 09:29 PM http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/pro/prohd/faq/gy-hd100_faq.pdf
I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price?
Oscar Honorio Pantoja March 12th, 2008, 09:34 PM for components in the black magic HD
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 09:48 PM I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price?
1 / 60 min tape capture by that type of device !
Jack Walker March 12th, 2008, 10:19 PM How did you shoot the video?
720p 24
or
720p 30
If it is 720p 24, can't you just uprez it to 1080p 24?
What format does the final video have to be in?
In your list is says that "HDV" is accepted? What is meant by this? 720p 24 can be in the HDV format?
I'm not clear on what you have actually shot and what the required delivery format is. Do you have a spec sheet that you can link to?
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 10:28 PM http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/NCM_Regional_Content_Spec_v6x.pdf
Thx for the help!
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 10:32 PM http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/QR_DeliverySpecs_ExternalAds.pdf
Sean Adair March 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM Steven. Your camera does not RECORD 60fps, only the 200 series does that. Your tapes are what they are and real motion frames can't be added after the fact. Yes, it is possible to get 60p HD from the component out of your camera WHEN SHOOTING LIVE, but it takes some serious hardware, and the analog component out is a limiting factor.
It's interesting 720/24 isn't included, and it appears that the formats at the bottom after HDV are the acceptable HDV formats. Your camera can't record either of these natively. I'm curious who the client is with these specs - broadcast?
Now, how best to solve your problem if it still exists. You mostly say it was shot at 24p (23.98), although at one stage you say 30p.
720 30p will transfer to 1080i reasonably well, giving about the same amount of detail but if there are rapid camera movements or lots of motion in the footage, it will be noticeable as a different acquisition framerate.
If you shot 720/24p, I'd look at uprezzing to 1080/24p. The Frame rate will be as expected, and if the footage is technically good, it should pass muster.
How you deliver this converted material is another story. Ideally, it would be put on a drive for them in a lossless or near lossless codec that they can use in their editing system. I WOULDN'T go out to 1080i hdv, since the 2nd recompression will take a big toll in the conversion. A D5 tapedeck will be a pricey option if you need to go that route.
good luck
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 10:56 PM I found that we have the option to film another night before I transfer..
So what will be the best for looks?
1080i 59.94 conversion
or
1080p 23.98 uprezzing
what best recomended software should I use for either?
I have dvfilm maker that crashes or resizer 2.0 AE
Thanks alot for the help!
Sean Adair March 12th, 2008, 11:01 PM I just saw the 2 files you posted. Very interesting. Is 9t raw footage or an edit you are supplying? In any case the 2nd doc has at the bottom clearly:
No JVC 720p (or DVCproHD) accepted.
In this case, you are best off submitting to their digital file standard.
Simply change to their 59.94fps (keeping 720p) exporting to quicktime uncompressed. The frame rate will get a pull down, and have a "filmlook" frame cadence. Check that the pull-down is properly constructed - you may have to give this special treatment.
Sean Adair March 12th, 2008, 11:07 PM The bottom of that second page is very direct. Don't change the resolution!
All files will be output to theaters at 720p/59.94.
The only thing to worry about will be getting the proper pulldown cadence from the 24p. If it's at 30p, it will simply double each frame.
Both will look and work fine, the amount of motion in your footage and appropriateness of cinematic feel would help determine which is more suitable.
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 11:10 PM It seems I would loose half the frames since it is progressive.
or could you recomend a pulldown N# I should try?
seems like the idea of upresizing would be better.
I just dont know!
Thx Im getting some options "really helps"
Steven Houser March 12th, 2008, 11:12 PM So I can shoot agian at 30p then figure out the right pulldown?
Should I cut down on motion then?
Jack Walker March 13th, 2008, 03:16 AM This is not to answer your questions directly. However, the post two above says no change of resolution is allowed, so you cannot uprez.
Again, I am not the expert on which to shoot, 24p or 30p. However, what will happen is the 24p or 30p video will be put in the appropriate video stream by adding pulldown, just like movies are put on DVD.
The result will look like the original. but this will be accomplished with a 2:3:3:2 (e.g. for 24p) or a 2:2:2:2 (for 30p) presentation of the frames.
Shooting 30p will probably make things the simplest. It will also make camera movement less of an issue than when shooting 24p.
In any case, someone else will have to tell you what software with what settings you need to use, but it shouldn't be a problem.
Are you using a Mac?
Steven Houser March 13th, 2008, 07:19 AM What would be the proper pulldown?
Thx for all the help!
Steven Houser March 13th, 2008, 08:25 AM I see the pulldown note!
Thx this has really helped!
Sean Adair March 13th, 2008, 09:27 AM Keep 720p - that is clear, right? You have to supply an uncompressed quicktime (I don't know the length - might fit on DVD, maybe on a firewire drive) at 59.94fps.
If you start from 30fps (the highest frame rate of the HD100) it divides evenly into 60, and this is likely to produce best results (each frame duplicated).
This will look the same as your 30p footage. Easy.
Using 24fps footage, pulldown, or a staggered effect results from the uneven distribution of the original frames into 60fps. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. This is the "film look" - feature movies are shot at 24fps too, and when we watch them on video, this same pulldown occurs, we are used to it, and in fact unconsciously identify it with movies. However, I'm not sure how to ensure the "cadence" or distribution of these frames will occur with your system and software. It might be fine just with an export to quicktime in this format. You may want to start a new thread asking that question, if you decide to go this route.
Steven Houser March 13th, 2008, 11:56 AM So I need to uncompress the m2t file then do the 2:2:2:2 (for 30p) pulldown?
Then bring it into my comp that is 720 59.94?
also I bought dvfilm maker for the uncompression but it crashes at start up..
Is there another way to uncompress the files?
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