View Full Version : $2900 Panasonic HVX-200?!

Alex Sprinkle
March 22nd, 2008, 02:13 AM
Alright, so my buddy and I have been perusing through cameras recently, and we've been keeping up with a couple of cameras to get in the future (crossing fingers). Then, my buddy ran across this craigslist posting here in Memphis:

I KNOW I'm not misreading that. This would sell for well over $12000 on b&h or anywhere reputable, correct? Is this common to see something like this? Of course I couldn't buy this, as I think one of two things happened:

1.) This camera is stolen (VERY likely in Memphis), and they think they can get more on CL than at a pawn shop (which I would think they'd hike the price up a little).


2.) This camera is stolen.

Apparently I have no faith in humanity. Has anyone else seen weird stuff like this? I mean, this is like a brooklyn shop in my backyard. Can this be reported at all? Seriously, no one in their RIGHT MIND would sell a barely used HVX200 for the price of a DVX100b. I feel for the guy or company that may be missing this.

Mark Olsen
March 22nd, 2008, 03:52 AM
2.) This camera is stolen.

I once heard a saying that guides me in these kind of situations: If it sounds/looks too good to be true - it is. And that is exactly what is the case here. I'll bet that there is no camera at all, or, as you say, that it is stolen.

I would not even consider this - waay to fishy.

EDIT: On second note, that quote is from a scammer's program om the Discovery Channel - oh well, its true anyways!

David Saraceno
March 22nd, 2008, 10:45 AM
Two - 4Gb cards

and more

for $2900?

I ain't going down a dark alley with $2900 in my pocket.

Contact the seller and ask for receipts for all the purchases.

Bet you won't get them

Brian Boyko
March 22nd, 2008, 02:24 PM
Two - 4Gb cards

and more

for $2900?

I ain't going down a dark alley with $2900 in my pocket.

Contact the seller and ask for receipts for all the purchases.

Bet you won't get them

Call Memphis PD. See if anyone's reported a stolen HVX200. I can't imagine there are tons of these out there, and even less get stolen.

Barry Green
March 22nd, 2008, 08:04 PM
The other possibility is that there's no camera at all, and they're just phishing for some fool to show up with $2900 cash. Read Ketch Rossi's experience of getting tied up, beaten, and robbed in his home after trying to arrange a sale through Craigslist.

Alex Sprinkle
March 22nd, 2008, 11:51 PM
Oh wow! Where is that post?

Kevin Railsback
March 23rd, 2008, 09:17 AM
"Hi there,

Tis post is to advise everybody to be extremely carefull wen purchasing/selling items on Graigslist.

Unfortunatelly after many times using craigslist I was a victim of a home invasion.

I obviously know now not to trust anyone.. ever.

But also i fill like a complete Idiot, becaouse I let this guy in to my house, as I did many times before( not the same guy), but this time was the one that I will remember.

I was ordered at Gun point to get on the floor, insted I attaked the gunman tryng desperatelly to take the gun away fom Him, but after a very short fight as He pushed back hard my injured left knee let go and I felt on the floor and He shot me.

He then beaten me up and tied me up then beaten me up some more for unfo, then dragged me in to the closet and robbed me.

fortunatelly I,m here to right about it and fill more of an idiot becouse nott only I let the guy in to my house but I try to get the gun away knoing the my left knee is totally F...Up!

Among many items totally over $70,000.00 He toked:

Canon 1D mark 2n, Ef 15mm fisheye, Sigma 12-24mm, Ef 35mm 1.4L, Ef 50mm 1.2L, Emp 65mm macro, Ef 85mm 1.2L II, Ef 135mm 2.8L, Ef 200mm 2.0L II, Ef 400mm 2.8L, G3 lansebaby set up, 17" Macbook G4.

So this are some of the items easy to sale so be alert if buyng, do not do so with out prove of purchase, and please let be omly me the Idiot to pay the price and do not absolutelly let any one in your home and be carefull wen in public places as I was told that they also take guns there not to pay for the items.


Robert Lane
March 23rd, 2008, 10:19 AM
Buying something from Ebay is dicey enough even with all the supposed "buyer protections" built-in. Craigslist is a total crap-shoot; you might as well be dealing on a street-corner.

My advice to anyone who needs equipment but can't afford the what the real stuff costs: Rent it or, get an equipment lease.

G.A. Kokes
March 23rd, 2008, 10:37 AM

That is such a horrible experience. I am sorry to hear that.

I would NEVER let anyone in my house period! While I believe that most people are good and honest, there are just too many that are not. If someone is local, meet them in a public place to make the exchange.

I have only once bought something off CL, It went very well. I made the guy open a PayPal Account and I sent the money there, using my credit card through my paypal account. I received my goods as promised.

eBay has many more mechanisms in place to keep people honest, but beware, read the help files on scams. There are many there too.

As mentioned earlier in this thread: "If it sounds too good to be true" Chances are its a scam. I like the suggestion: have them produce receipts. That might be a first step.

Good luck,

Kevin Railsback
March 23rd, 2008, 11:05 AM
That wasn't me. I was just quoting Ketch about his experience.

Jon Fairhurst
March 23rd, 2008, 02:49 PM
My advice to anyone who needs equipment but can't afford the what the real stuff costs: Rent it or, get an equipment lease.Great advice Robert.

I rented an HVX having never handled it before, and I had a successful experience on day 1. The key was to download and read the manual in detail, as well as to know exactly what I wanted to achieve and how I was going to achieve it.

With the HVX (and the RED for that matter), there is the additional challenge of the workflow. I made sure to read up on it, pre-load everything on my laptop, and do a test shoot/edit before leaving the rental house.

Looking back, the only shortcoming was that I didn't nail the focus as well as I might have on a couple of shots. Don't be lazy - *always* use focus assist when you can. And if you're doing pans, get the best head that you can get - some of our diagonal moves were a bit sticky.

You can rent an HVX about 20 times and still be ahead. That said, if you buy a new one, use it 20 times, keep it in great condition and sell it on ebay when you're done, you have a downpayment for the next camera - if you can raise the initial cash.

And, yeah, avoid deals that are too good to be true...

Alex Sprinkle
March 23rd, 2008, 05:41 PM
I was curious to see how EAGER this person was to sell the camera, so I asked if he'd part with it for $2500 (not actually planning to buy it), and he said the lowest he could part with it was $2750 (which blows me away even more). Then he told me that he has already dropped it off at Can it actually be real? Someone may end up with the deal of a lifetime.

Andy Mace
March 23rd, 2008, 08:21 PM
This sounds like the same guy who posted on the Birmingham CL a couple months back. He says it's at the ebay broker but you CAN'T go pick it up. He says that because it's with the broker that you will get the camera before he is paid. Liar. Ask him if he is still on his honeymoon in Hawaii.

Also check your email headers. He uses a "yahoo" account but the message is forwarded via an AOL IP address. He doesn't want to use the AOL email.


Alex Sprinkle
March 23rd, 2008, 10:25 PM
HE IS ON HIS HONEYMOON!!! Ha ha ha! Good call! Oh man, that's crazy!!

Andy Mace
March 24th, 2008, 06:49 AM
I emailed him too. He replied with the same line about being on honeymoon and his mother having a problem forcing him to sell. Funny that he didn't recognize my email address or name. Can he be that stupid? It's only been a couple months since we did this... I'm gonna act like I am going to send money to see how he wants to work it. Also gonna see if there is any way to trap and bust the jack azz. he answered the email at 04:18 this morning so chances are that he's not in the US.

Bob Hart
March 24th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Maybe think Georgia, Central Asia and russian mafia subcontracting out home visits to their US cousins.

I put in ambit bids on a couple of cheap Vinten tripods putatively located in Zestafari Georgia after letting them go towards their expiry times.

I was going to ask for some very difficult identity hoops for the vendor to slip through, however Ebay stepped in and suspended his accounts before it got to that, so 10 out of 10 for their vigilence.

There is also a vendor who offers Noct Nikkors and has a address who solicits direct email contacts who rarely lasts more than a half-day before he is whacked off the site.

So buyer beware is a topic alive and well and to be wisely heeded.

Andy Mace
March 24th, 2008, 10:32 AM
This stuff is great. "wanting to sell on ebay once I get back"

The delivery time will take max 3 business days. As i said in my first email i will explain how iSOLD it works because i want you to be clear on every aspect of this transaction. They are the number one selling service on eBay. You simply drop an item to one of their stores,you find a buyer and they will take care of the rest. When i left on my honeymoon i left 12 items for sale in their custody. Don`t ask at what store, or where the item is exactly because i don`t long as they are handling the shipping and handling i don`t care where they are. I forgot to mention that the shipping is included in the price of sale. They offered me a discount on shipping because i am selling a large number of items and i can afford that.
So basically they have the item insured and ready for shipping. As soon as i will have your shipping details i will send it to them and they will start the transaction. They will email you with an invoice and payment instructions. You will have to send the payment to one of their agents by following the payment instructions. Then you will send the payment details to them, they will validate the transaction and will start the shipping ASAP. If you will have questions you can ask them directly.
Unfortunately the pick up is not possible because this is an urgent sale (like i said before i intended to sell this on eBay when i should have returned from my honeymoon but due to some recent problems back home i am forced to sell it now). iSOLD It suggested to offer a return policy because my offers would substantially increase so i am offering a 10 day guarantee. This eliminates the pick up option but you will have the time to inspect it and decide if you want it or not. If for any reason you decide not to keep it, they will give you a full refund and will return the item on my expense.
So if you agree with this terms and decide to proceed, then i will need your full name and shipping address in order to start the transaction.

Alex Sprinkle
March 24th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I don't understand how these scams can actually work. Shouldn't there be an address or something that the money is sent to? Why can't they trace these addresses?

Andy Mace
March 24th, 2008, 01:07 PM
inquiring minds want to know...

I have received your information and i will forward them to iSOLD It right now and they will contact you with the payment instructions and your invoice so please let me know when have they contacted you so i will know that everything is in order.
It might take a while because of the high number of transactions but don`t worry because they will contact you.

Andy Mace
March 24th, 2008, 02:04 PM
The messages are being send from an IP address originating in Washington DC... they are setup to look like legitimate email's from isoldit but they are absolutely not legitimate.

Basically he is requesting that I send payment via "moneygram". This is like using western union. He'll get his money... if I were dumb enough to send it.

Our customer require the payment to be done through MoneyGram money transfer service.