My old system has died, so I'm in the market for a new one and have approval to spend up to $2K. My dilemma is PC versus Mac. I've always had PC's but I am willing to put a Mac on the consideration list this time.

I've been to HP.com, Dell.com and Apple.com and have noticed that Macs are very expensive compared to PC's. I'm happy with my 24" monitor, so I'd rather not buy an iMac, but the Mac Pro's start at $2700! For $1500 I can buy a screaming fast PC and upgrade the memory pretty cheap a year from now.

What's your opinion?

For your price range the only choice is a PC.

That's right, at that budget you either go iMac or PC.

Unless you can find an Intel Mac Pro used on craigslist or something, I have seen some nice deals out there.

I just upgraded my PC to one of those cow machines. I found a quad core at Best Buy for a little over $700. It renders my output so much faster than my previous 2.5 mhz Acer. I couldn't be happier with the exception of getting use to the Vista environment versus the XP Pro that I was very use to. I can't believe that I can rendor HD output at a 2 to 1 ratio, that is for an hour of video it renders in 2 hours. I use to render hour long projects over night while I was in bed. Now I can start a render and go watch a movie and it will be done when the movies is over. I still don't like to multiplex my computer during rendering outputs or burning DVDs.

If I would have a budget of $2K for a PC only (you can still use your "old" LCD) I would not buy something out of the box. I would rather use special parts and a quad extreme since they are a lot faster than the stock quads.
Nice RAIDs and fast system hard disks would be the priority. Don't forget a good cooling system not only for the CPU, also hard drives like it cold :-) and it helps to prevent data loss.

Axel, San Jose

I guess I'm getting old. I've been a computer tech for 39 years and it just isn't worth my time to scrape together parts and roll my own when you just don't gain that much speed. Maybe if I were doing direct to disk video capture I would, but I'm a field shooter and won't be doing direct capture.

it's not just the speed, it is the amount of money you save...plus it's fun to build!

Thanks for all the replies. I was a bit on the fence, but now I'm leaning toward going to HP's site and configuring a machine to be happy with for the next 4 years (with some upgrades along the way). I'll probably go low on memory (system and HD) and immediately upgrade on my own to save money.

I was secretly hoping to find some very compelling reason to go Mac. They are just so cool but they really make you pay for it.

The pricing for the MacPro is too high but somehow they wanna make sure you buy their products to run OS X :-)
The advantage of buying parts is not only the lower price, it's also, that you know whats in or what else you can put in later. I put together a machine last fall for a price that will not be even with that what you will pay for a OEM system.
With stock machines you never know how good is the power supply, you will not be able to overclock the CPU because the MoBo doesn't have the right BIOS and so on. It's nice for warranty issues but the freedom is not given :-(
But it depends on what you want to do.....

Axel

You should be a little technically inclined to if you're going to piece one together. I also mean both hardware & software technically inclined.

If I was 20 or 30 years younger, there is no doubt in my mind I would be parts shopping. Wait until you get older, you may find that your outlook and views on things change just a little bit. Believe me, I've been an innovator & a risk taker most of my life. I had a computer support service on the side named Micro Innovations 25 years ago. That's history. Everyone has different views and what's right for one person isn't necessarily right for the next.

Matt you should look at Best Buy for the HP. I was at Best Buy and they had some really great deals for the same computer i found through HP's site which i couldn't find at that price.

What about an Apple Refurbished iMac 20", priced at $1250 and hooking up your 24" LCD as a second screen?

That would give you mucho real estate (perfect for video work) and leave you some money for RAM upgrades, software etc.

Building "your own" has a lot of disadvantages, not in the least that it's not cheaper and you can get a better system spec'd from an A-brand or (good) BTO (Build-To-Order) supplier. This will also give you less compatibility problems and hassles when things go sour.

The only justification in my opinion is when you have very specific needs (graphics card(s), interfaces, internal storage, etc.). Even then it is often preferable to "upgrade" a "out of the box" system.

I own a (small) IT company as well and although we're an exclusive Fujitsu Siemens reseller, I like the HP xw8600 workstations for editing. Even the previous series xw8400 and xw6400 (a little less extendable) were great. You can shop for some good deals on them too.

George/

P.S. Financing your system could also be an option and is often easier through manufacturers like HP or Apple.

on a related note, is a 7,200rpm disk drive fast enough to record HV30's 1920x1080p30?

First, this thread should have been posted elsewhere. That said...

I fairly recently went the build-your-own PC route, and while the specs of the unit were really great, and it wasn't as much as a Mac Pro, the realiability of the PC was very poor. It was my 3rd in 2 years, and I made the jump (back to) the Mac with a Mac Pro purchase. Best choice I've made in video production in the past two years.. not just computer choice, but overall production choice.

I'd recommend an iMac, hands down. They're powerful and inexpensive in relation to a Mac Pro. The Apple route has worked for me, and many others. Best of luck.

You can get a Dell with a Core 2 Quad 2.4 Q6600, 3GB dual channel RAM, 500GB SATA HD, 16X DVD+-RW for $500.

Dip into the leftover $1500 to buy a nice video card and a terabyte of storage and you'll still have a large chunk of money left over... like possibly almost $1,000


Or buy a refurbished iMac ??? I guess it all depends on what you're looking to get for your money....

My old system has died, so I'm in the market for a new one and have approval to spend up to $2K. My dilemma is PC versus Mac. I've always had PC's but I am willing to put a Mac on the consideration list this time.

I've been to HP.com, Dell.com and Apple.com and have noticed that Macs are very expensive compared to PC's. I'm happy with my 24" monitor, so I'd rather not buy an iMac, but the Mac Pro's start at $2700! For $1500 I can buy a screaming fast PC and upgrade the memory pretty cheap a year from now.

The reconditioned Mac Pros at the Apple store start out at $1800. I've bought almost all of my Macs reconditioned and haven't regretted it yet.

Still, that doesn't leave you with much money to upgrade the memory and drives, but it might be an option. Another thing you should consider is the cost of software, if you already have all the software paid for that you need, and you have useable PATA drives, you'll need to get SATA ones for internal use, then replacing your entire platform might not be that good of an idea.

iMacs can use a second monitor in a dual head situation.

Just more things to consider, for and against the Mac platform.

on a related note, is a 7,200rpm disk drive fast enough to record HV30's 1920x1080p30?

Yes, unless you are talking about uncompressed (or compressed at a very high bitrate) out of the HDMI port. So long as it's the compressed stream coming out of the firewire, it's no problem. You could even do that with a 5400RPM drive (so long as it's defagged).

My old system has died, so I'm in the market for a new one and have approval to spend up to $2K. My dilemma is PC versus Mac. I've always had PC's but I am willing to put a Mac on the consideration list this time.

I've been to HP.com, Dell.com and Apple.com and have noticed that Macs are very expensive compared to PC's. I'm happy with my 24" monitor, so I'd rather not buy an iMac, but the Mac Pro's start at $2700! For $1500 I can buy a screaming fast PC and upgrade the memory pretty cheap a year from now.

What's your opinion?

I would think you could get a dual quad core (8 cores total) machine for under $2K. I know you could build one from parts for under $2K.

Moved from Canon HV to HD Editing Solutions.

The 24" white iMac has been discontinued, but you can still buy it refurbished with one year warranty (about 1450$).

The screen is simply gorgeous. When you put 3Gb RAM into it (recommend crucial.com RAM) you get a good performance. The screen is, unlike the newer, glossy screens, easy to calibrate. It has a Core 2 Duo chip.

It's simply a good machine, and a very good alternative to the MacPro.

There are no fans, so you can work in silence.

Just ordered an HP Pavilion Ultimate d4999t and customized as follows

Quad Q6700 (2.66GHZ)
4G RAM
512 Geoforce 8600GT
640GB RAID O (2 X 320) Dual SATA Drives
Sound Blaster Xtreme
15-1 memory card reader
Lightscribe DVD 16X burner
802.11 b/g Wireless LAN card
Norton 15 months
Vista 32 bit (64 bit available at same price)
Wireless keyboard and mouse
W2408h 24" monitor

$1861 inc tax and delivery- the rep on the phone gave me an additional $150 off the already discounted published price on their website

I should add that I've always been a Dell customer but the same Dell config was several hundred dollars more

Art,

That sounds like an awesome system at a great price. I don't need the monitor, so I'm guessing I would be about $400 lower.

Is your processor 64 bit? If it is, why wouldn't you go with Vista 64-bit? Wouldn't that better allocate tasks to your processor? Also, since there is no price difference, could you switch to 64-bit in the future for zero or just a small charge?

One thing you need to take into consideration is what software do you use right now?

If you currently use a PC based NLE well then you should stick with a PC. If you already own and use FCP then a Mac would be your only good option.

You need to think about not only how much the system itself is going to cost you but how much the software is going to cost. If you buy Apple system and you want to edit with it you will have to buy FCP Studio for $1,200.00. That pretty much leaves you with $800.00 to use for the hardware. A Apple computer is pretty useless for video editing if you don't get FCP Studio to go with it. This means that even if you picked up a Mac Pro for $2,800.00 you will have a mininum cost of $4,000.00 by the time you get the software you need. This doesn't even cover video storage yet. So if you already use a PC and PC software and you have a $2,000.00 budget then the Apple path is totally out of the question unless you want to try to run FCP Studio on a Mac Mini which doesn't really work very well at all.

Thanks for all the input everyone.

I've decided to go with another PC because I just can't afford to get into Mac when I factor in all the software too. Now it's time to figure out which PC will be the best deal. I have ruled out used and refurbished. I don't want to build my own either. I keep coming back to HP in the little shopping I've done. Maybe I could find a better deal with some off-brand, but I want to stay mainstream.

Any advice?