Hello, I am looking for a good camera light that will help me in dim-lit situations for receptions and the like. I will be using two GL2's or DVX100's for the wedding, but one good light should do.

To be honest, I've never used a light at a wedding before. This is my first year in the business and so far have done weddings for friends, but now doing weddings for complete strangers, I'm going to need to beef up the quality of my videos to really impress them.

Any recommendations/websites/links? I'm hoping to spend less than $500 if possible. The wedding is in a month so I would like to place an order this weekend!

Thanks to everyone who's able to help me out.

Edit: A little background on me...lighting was one of my weak points in my broadcast TV program so talking to me like I'm a dummy would really help :D

I currently have a Bescor light with 2 20w bulbs. It only runs for 30-60 minutes, depending on if you have both bulbs on or not. It also gets hot, has a heavy battery I have to clip on my belt, and an annoying cord that goes from the battery to the light.

I've been keeping my eye on Litepanels LED lights for quite some time now, and last month I was in Vegas for WPPI and I got to check one out first hand; the Litepanels Micro. I was very impressed. Since then I've done a lot of research on the Micro, and overall it sounds like a winner. I'm going to be purchasing one soon. Why?

The LED lights are color-balanced for outdoor light, and the light has a drop-down filter to immediately correct for indoor (tungsten) light. It also has a drop down diffusion filter to soften the light if desired. The LED's will last 100,000 hours, which is something like 10 years if left on all the time - wow. The light doesn't get hot AT ALL, and is powered by 4 AA batteries, meaning I can use rechargables and have an all-day light instead of a 1-hour light. You can also dim the light from 100% to pretty much 0 without losing any color temperature or getting any flicker. It's a pretty amazing light.

It retails for $300-350, which is within your budget, and sounds like the type of light for the job you want to do. I film weddings also, so we're on the same page. The only knocks against the light are that it's housing is plastic, meaning it could be broken if you're not careful with it. Also, apparently the filters can sometimes fall out because the holder clips don't work all that well. I'm sure I can rig some sort of fix for that though.

Here's the link to their website:

www.litepanels.com

Good luck!

I actually own a Litepanels Micro. I was pretty excited to get it and did based on the good things I've heard about it. It is a great light indeed, but definitely not enough punch to light up a room or dance floor. It'll be great for close ups but I am going to try not to be intrusive at all.

I think a light on a light stand might do the trick too but that requires more time to set up and take down...

What would be the effective range of the Litepanels Micro?

What would be the effective range of the Litepanels Micro?

I'm no expert but I think it'll start to lose it's effectiveness further than about 5-10 feet.

When I asked about lighting at receptions and the Micro came up, here's what Guy Cochran of DVCreators had to say: "Well, if we follow the inverse square rule pertaining to a point light source, we would find that every time we double the distance, we only receive 1/4 the amount of light. In the case with the Litepanels LP Micro LED's, the fall off is even more rapid because it is not a point source, and more of a diffused light. So you'll need something with a lot more kick to hit 20' feet. I don't think even the Spot Mini's do much at 20'. You'd need a 1x1!"

We must be trying to accomplish different things. My goal isn't to properly light someone from 15 or 20 feet away with an on-camera light. My goal is to put some decent light on someone at 5 or 6 feet, without blinding everyone or creating a nasty spotlight look.

Chris, I gotta say I'm glad someone with a Micro finally posted on here. Other than not being able to light a scene beyond 10 feet, do you have any other gripes with the light? How do you feel it performs in the 5-10 feet range?

Oh, one more thing. Maybe it's a difference in market or region or tradition, but if I tried to light a dance floor with a stand-light I'd be run out of the reception. My experience with people dancing is they like the light to be as low as possible, and then maybe a little lower. Throwing a stand light on the dance floor would effectively kill the dancing (and probably get me killed) at the weddings I film.

Regarding the Micro, it's hard to say how it'll do in the 5-10 feet range. It doesn't make a *huge* impact. The video on dvcreators shows examples in dark/dim situations and the subject is pretty close, like a shot in a car or on a computer or an interview. As for gripes with the light, for what it is, I have no problems with it. Just don't expect a powerhouse. In a wedding situation, unless you're fairly close to the subject and it's an interview, I don't really see *too* much use for the Micro, but then again, like I said in my first post, lighting is my weak point and I could totally be underestimating it, haha. Or maybe I could stick it somewhere closer to the speech-giver while my camera is further away...so much to experiment with...

I, too, was afraid that lighting a dance floor would kill the dance atmosphere. However, the wedding I have coming up is an Indian wedding. I learned that the LOVE to dance and LOVE to have everything recorded, and don't care much for intrusiveness with cameras or lighting, etc. The bottom line for these guys is they want it captured and captured well. About a month ago, I did a solo shoot for a surprise birthday party with a lot of dancing. Wanting to eat but not wanting to leave my camera on the tripod unmanned, I stopped recording, took my camera with me and got a plate of food. On my way to sit down, I was stopped by a relative and really wanted me to keep filming. With a bit of hesitation and continuing hunger, I went back to film the rest of the dance and left my plate of food on the table for the rest of the night...

Sorry, I totally went off topic. WEDDING LIGHTING YAY!

That's cool. I don't expect it to be a powerhouse light. When I tried it out in Vegas I had my wife stand about 6 feet from the camera and I played with the dimmer and saw a noticeable improvement in the lighting, which surprised me considering the trade show floor was lit very well already. I don't shoot much at the reception in the 2-3 feet range, but 5-8 is pretty standard, and I'm really just looking for a enough extra light to give me a better image, not perfection. Sounds like the Micro will still work perfectly for me.

As for Indian weddings, well ... there you go ... huge difference in traditions ...

I had a wedding a couple of years ago where they dropped the house lights down to basically nothing and there were only the DJ's 3 or 4 "party lights" going. I found the house light panel and bumped up the lights to where I could get a better image, and immediately guests were complaining and so the lights went back down to nothing. What can you do? lol

I used to use a Bescor that I used a 35W bulb in with a softbox then went to an AB Ultralight with a 35w bulb and softbox (I could switch it from my full size cameas and with a 'magic' cable I made go from the AB power tap to my Bescor battery in no time.
Now however I've been using the Litepanel Micro and there is no way I would go back to anything else. First I use both the diffusion and 1/4 warming filter indoors at ALL times. 2nd I have found the throw to be quite good at 10 feet, past that it starts to fall off as I would expect. 3rd, it's somewhat dimable which gives me more control than my AB light and 4th, it's liteweight and runs on 4 AAs. No umbilical cord to a heavy battery. I use 2200MaH rechargeables, I have 2 sets and have found the lite will go at full power (with virtually no heat build up YAH!) for almost 4 hours before I need to change out batteries.
Just my opinion but I LOVE IT! It never comes off the camera.

Don

I used to use a Bescor that I used a 35W bulb in with a softbox then went to an AB Ultralight with a 35w bulb and softbox (I could switch it from my full size cameas and with a 'magic' cable I made go from the AB power tap to my Bescor battery in no time.
Now however I've been using the Litepanel Micro and there is no way I would go back to anything else. First I use both the diffusion and 1/4 warming filter indoors at ALL times. 2nd I have found the throw to be quite good at 10 feet, past that it starts to fall off as I would expect. 3rd, it's somewhat dimable which gives me more control than my AB light and 4th, it's liteweight and runs on 4 AAs. No umbilical cord to a heavy battery. I use 2200MaH rechargeables, I have 2 sets and have found the lite will go at full power (with virtually no heat build up YAH!) for almost 4 hours before I need to change out batteries.
Just my opinion but I LOVE IT! It never comes off the camera.

Don

Don, thank you so much for posting. You've resolved all doubt in my mind about purchasing a Micro. 4 hours on a set of batteries? Wow. That's incredible.

Don: When filming the free dance, do you ever get worried of crazy/drunk guests bumping into you and maybe snapping the the light off?

However, given what I said above, I currently use a Plastic Bescor light http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/208033-REG/Bescor_VS100AC_VS_100AC_100_Watt_AC.html

And I've never had a problem or felt the light could easily snap off...

And I'm currently using this huge battery belt for it.. How dumb am I!?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/135346-REG/Bescor_PRB7NC_PRB_7_Starved_Electrolyte_Battery.html

I don't have much experience but for what is worth I'll tell what I've got.

I got from B&H,

an Impact light stand
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/272945-REG/Impact_3218_Light_Stand_and_Reflector.html

A Lowel Prolight
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/284755-REG/Lowel_P2_10_Pro_Light_Focus_Flood_Light.html
along with barndoors and snoot (check wattage for country). It is both a spot and a flood light.

and a dimmer the equivilent of :
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/283607-REG/Impact_D600_Dimmer_Control.html

I used this setup at a set of meetings I filmed a few weeks ago and it was great. I had the light right at the back of the room with the snoot on it, illuminating the speakers. I just threw the light in at the last minute as I didn't know what the light would be like, and am so glad it did. I could be used for a dance as well - dimmed to whatever is required.

Thanks guys for the links and suggestions. Both setups look pretty good and I can't decide which one to get yet...maybe I should just get it all! It fits the budget, hehe.

Yang -- Are you happy with the Bescor light? It looks pretty good and with 100w it looks like it can pack quite a punch. Does it require any special bulbs? Are they available at B&H or are they easily found at a local hardware store? What do you wish you used instead of the battery belt? How long does it last? (I might just run it off a super long extension cord) Sorry for all the questions, I just wanna know these things in case I buy it.

Renton -- no flood of questions for you :p But for $200 that seems like a pretty good investment. Looks like it'll do wonders during a reception.

Travis,
Just for the record, when I got the Litepanel I threw a set of fully charged batteries in it, turned it to 100% power and turned it off at 3 hours. On a job I did a couple of weeks ago I went WELL IN EXCESS of 3 hours before I changed batteries-I estimate it was around 4-but it might have been 3 1/2.
just wanted to keep it straight. :-)

Yang,
First I try very hard to stay out of the drunks way ;-)
second, IF I do get bumped it's nowhere near the light and no I don't worry about it. If they DO hit my light then I've got bigger problems than just the light. Not to mention I just don't let that kind of thing happen. I have been bumped many times over the years but never to the point of getting hurt OR damaging gear. I keep my eyes open and watch where people are getting a bit out of hand. I try to be aware of my surroundings so I don't even think about my gear getting busted up.


Chris,
The BEscor will handle bulbs down to 10W and up to 50-the 100w will work only on AC power. At least the one I have is that way. I have been buying my bulbs for both the Bescor and the AB light at Home Depot for a number of years so they are pretty common anywhere you go.
100W would be in my opinion way way too much for a reeption or any other social event. Heck I never used that much even doing news. 75w was the most I ever punched thru my AB. 100w is overkill. I use 35w bulb and a softbox to knock it down and even then it's sometimes a bit much but it covers up to about 10 feet. That's why I like the Micro, I can get up to 10 feet but when I move in closer and I do, I can turn it down so as not to blind anyone. In all my years I have NEVER used a studio type light at a wedding reception even way back in the 80s when low light and video work were 2 words that really didn't go together. Of course then I used an old SUNLIGHT which packed a wallop. You could if it was placed properly, burn out the pupils of the subjects and give them a great tan at the same time. :-)
My how things have gotten better over the years.

Don

I did a review of lights the beginning of 2007 and I think I posted it here...don't remember. But in any case, with regards to LED-based lights, the Sony LBP faired better than the Litepanles Mini Plus, which was better than the Zylight Z50, then the VidLED, etc. I did not test the Litepanels Micro, which wasn't available at the time and it's not anything worth looking at for creating great light...for an occasional, added fill, sure...but that's it.

I tested for throw, color, temperature, evenness, heat, consumption, focus/spotting, weight, and many other factors.

Travis,
Just for the record, when I got the Litepanel I threw a set of fully charged batteries in it, turned it to 100% power and turned it off at 3 hours. On a job I did a couple of weeks ago I went WELL IN EXCESS of 3 hours before I changed batteries-I estimate it was around 4-but it might have been 3 1/2.
just wanted to keep it straight. :-)

No problem. Thanks. I've just seen reviews stating much shorter run times on a set of batteries (like 60-90 minutes), but maybe they were using weaker batteries. Even 3 hours of runtime is pretty darn awesome.

Seems like the Sony LBP is a nice option? Anyone has footage of the throw n spread of the light?

Don: Is it possible for you to post a clip from your wedding showing the light throw of the litepanel?

I second that request for Micro/Mini/whatever it's called footage. Seems that people either love this thing or hate it.

I sold a leg, two kidneys, mortgaged my house and bought a couple of Frezzi Mini-fills, and batterys to boot.

I'm very happy with the lights, they come with 35 what dimmable bulbs in them. I had to have one of the cables custom made from Frezzi, it had to plug into our steadicam sled. The throw with these lights is really nice, even in a dark room.

The only critisism is that I could stand to difuse them more than the lowest setting. I'm doing my best to find some type of solution that doesn't involve 150.00 bucks or more.

I second that request for Micro/Mini/whatever it's called footage. Seems that people either love this thing or hate it.

I'm ordering one, and I have weddings next month. I'll try and remember to post some footage.

On a side note, because the Litepanels don't get hot, you can basically put anything on the front of the light for diffusion or other effects, without having to worry about fire hazards. Nice.

Travis, just following the thread, can you post the link of exactly what you ordered/are ordering?
Thanks!

Travis, just following the thread, can you post the link of exactly what you ordered/are ordering?
Thanks!

I'm ordering a Litepanels Micro.

www.litepanels.com

> click on Products

> select Micro

Thanks!
Anyone have a clever opinion between using the Frezzi mini's & the Litepanels?
I was about to order this one... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/91763-REG/Frezzolini_91203_MFIC_4X_75_watt_Dimmer_Mini_Fill.html

I didn't like the Litepanels Micro so much. It has such a limited throw and the pattern is circular (hard to believe from a retangular array of LED's) I sent it back. It is real light and would be great for interviews but too much $ for such a narrow utility. Search this site on Lightpanels and Micro such as:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=113390&highlight=litepanels+micro

I ended up buying a Swit LED light and adapter (was sold under Varizoom).
http://www.swit.us/on-camera-led-lights.html

I ended up buying a Swit LED light and adapter (was sold under Varizoom).
http://www.swit.us/on-camera-led-lights.html[/QUOTE]

Steve - tell us more about these lights. Which of the two did you get? How do you power it? What is the light output like - etc?

Hey Steve, when you say a 'limited throw" how much throw do you want?

I ask because I've done about 10 weddings with the Litepanel Micro and have not found that to be the case at all. In fact at 10feet with both the diffusion and 1/4 warming filter on it I don't even go full power and still get a very nice image. I will say though that at about 10 feet and beyond there is a bit of a circular pattern but frankly it doesn't really bother me. I had that before with both my Bescor and even my Anton Bauer Ultralight with the softbox. I do agree that the lite is not made to be a room filler but for the majority of my wedding work it's been working out great. I just looked at the Swit and it does look like a very nice peice of gear. Have fun with it :-)

Yang, I just noticed your post about putting up a clip with the Micro. I'll see what I can do in the next couple of days. I'll be out all day tomorrow shooting so perhaps Friday I'll be able to do that.

Don

I guess I need to clarify that I am shooting HD on a Canon A1. The circular pattern (drop off from center) showed up on mine in about 3-4 feet. I pointed at a bare white wall and after all the problems with the contacts I had I decided to send it back. The swit can throw 10-20 feet (e.g. first dance or speeches) and I can flip down the diffuser, adjust the level with the dimmer and go in close for dancing shots.

I had high hopes for the Micro for use on my Flowpod - based on light weight but it just seemed too weak for me.

Hmmm, that's really strange. Maybe it's a QC issue from Litepanel. I use a .65WA on my 170 for receptions and again it's shown circ pattern but not til it gets out about 10 feet.
Goofy thing. Well enjoy your new SWIT!

Don

I'm thinking of selling my Litepanels Micro now. I got it for about $300 excluding tax and shipping. I used it for once to test when I opened it and for one event but not even for that long. I'd say total use is like 1-2 hours max. I'm thinking of $275 since it's still practically brand new. Send me a PM if you're interested.

EDIT: After much advice and research and stuff, I decided to with the NRG Varalux for wedding lights. It's a 100w light that's dimmable from 10% to full so I think it'll be suitable for many situations :)

Also, I called a photographer friend to see if he had any lighting advice, and he asked his client who happened to be there and run the venue I will be filming in, and he said 500 watts?! I don't know what he was smoking but I was pretty shocked; there's no way I'm putting a light that powerful on my camera!