View Full Version : Mercalli works so good that I'm selling my tripod


Paul Cascio
July 24th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Okay, just kidding. But I just tried it and it works great. It's a stabilzation plug-in that works with Premiere and After Effects too.

I was surprised at how fast it rendered, although I didn't try the highest quality opetion yet. $59 through Digital Juice.

Harold Brown
July 24th, 2008, 09:41 PM
It is a very nice product and at $59 this should be added to your tool set.

Don Meers
July 24th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Is this the pro version or the light version that DJ is selling?

Mike Kujbida
July 24th, 2008, 10:28 PM
It's the "Expert" version that's being sold by DJ.

Tony Spring
July 25th, 2008, 12:39 AM
Mercalli is a fantastic tool, but it does have it's limitations. Flashes from cameras can cause it to do some weird things.

Ian Stark
July 25th, 2008, 01:40 AM
Seems like a good deal at ~£30. Half price often gets my vote!

I do hate having to wait 'usually within 24 hours' for the download link and registration code, though. I wonder why is this not instantaneous?

Edit: Richard's post below reminded me of my manners: Thanks indeed Paul for the DJ tip.

Richard Hunter
July 25th, 2008, 03:10 AM
Okay, just kidding. But I just tried it and it works great. It's a stabilzation plug-in that works with Premiere and After Effects too.

I was surprised at how fast it rendered, although I didn't try the highest quality opetion yet. $59 through Digital Juice.

Hi Paul. Does it work in Vegas? Can't see any mention of what NLEs are supported.

Richard

Edit - Never mind, I found the Prodad website and see that Vegas 7 and 8 are in the list. Thanks for the tip about the DJ offer.

Bill Ravens
July 25th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Mercalli still doesn't handle footage from rolling shutter cams very well. Stabilized footage comes out looking somewhat like jello. Only virtualdub's deshaker seems to address this issue.

Rick Steele
July 25th, 2008, 09:36 AM
I tride the Mercalli demo and compared it to SteadyMove Pro and SteadyHand.

In comparision, Mercalli is "ok" but I'm not a ProDad fan. (I'm glad they finally hired somebody who can write English). It's super fast though. There's just too many "tweaks" that won't make sense to the user who just wants maximum stabliization. The presets are confusing as well. It works quite well inside of Vegas which is its strong point I think - no need to export/import footage.

SteadyMove requires Adobe Premiere or AfterEffects. Decent final output but does have it's quirks. I find you have to give it some extra footage before and after the scene.

Surprising, SteadyHand which looks like some shareware program and hasn't been updated for over 5 years still yeilds the best results for me. And it's just as fast as Mercalli. Of course it's not a plug in but will import/export uncompressed footage just fine. Comparably priced at $70 (I think).

Harold Brown
July 25th, 2008, 10:55 AM
I think the tweaks you can make in Mercalli are it's strong points. All you have to do is throw some footage on the time line and play around a bit and it becomes pretty clear what you need to do.

Rick Steele
July 25th, 2008, 11:18 AM
I think the tweaks you can make in Mercalli are it's strong points. All you have to do is throw some footage on the time line and play around a bit and it becomes pretty clear what you need to do.Really? Look at the motion detection setting. It's a slider the offers a range from more quickly to more valid. Why wouldn't you always want the, "more valid" setting?

Same goes for the, special video analysis options. Why wouldn't you want them all checked?

And "camera stabilization"... it really means, "what frame size do you want?" That's my problem with the cryptic ProDad apps... you have to tinker endlessly to figure out what they really mean.

I shoot mostly from a tripod and the little handheld footage I use just has some basic "jitters" in it - mainly because I'm getting old and fat. And sometimes my second shooter, even though on a tripod will oftentimes have her hand on the camera or a tripod leg during a static shot. At 10X the footage will pick up these shakes and vibrations.

I'd really like somebody else to try the same footage they used in Mercalli with the SteadyHand demo like I did. It's a tiny freestanding application. Just export your footage from Vegas as uncompressed and it'll output the same.

http://www.goodervideo.com/products/SH.html

I'm curious how it works for you guys with some really shakey stuff. (In comparison to Mercalli). With my footage it just appears a lot smoother between frames.

Ian Stark
July 25th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Why wouldn't you always want the, "more valid" setting?

Same goes for the, special video analysis options. Why wouldn't you want them all checked?



Immediate thought would be for people with less beefy computers? Quality/speed compromise.

I have looked at the other options available - and I am a beta tester for Red Giant's forthcoming Steady plugin for After Effects , which looks like it beats of all the current crop hands down - but, personally, my vote is going with the plugin that sits inside Vegas. I really don't want to have to work inside two apps (actually three, as I do a lot of work in After Effects). It might be relatively painless to move footage in and out of different apps but I don't have the time. If Mercalli can stabilise 50% of the unstable footage I may occasionally have to work with then I'm happy for that compromise because it saves me time (hence money).

And at $59/£30 it's a no brainer in my opinion which is why I bought it this afternoon (but still waiting for my download link and reg code. Grrrrrr!).

Paul Cascio
July 25th, 2008, 11:57 AM
I agree that the English sucks. I used to write computer manuals and the GUI is awful. They should invest a little money and correct these obvious and fixable flaws.

Dylan Couper
July 25th, 2008, 04:51 PM
I'd put it in the "better than nothing" category after using it extensively for 2 months. It's good for the price but I'm not impressed overall.

Here's my original impressions:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=121404&highlight=vegas+mercalli

I actually like it less now than I did then. There are certain shots that come out more shaky than without it. Image softness is dramatic. Overall... meh, it's better than nothing.

The registration process is insultingly a pain in the ass. Had to do it twice on a reformatted computer, and if I ever have to do it again, it's going down the drain.

The only good things I can say about it is: works perfectly INSIDE of Vegas, which is a huge bonus, and it works incredibly quickly, which is impressive. If it weren't for those two things, I'd look for something better, even at 10x the price. However, I'm a lazy jerk, so Mercalli stays on my system.

Danny Fye
July 25th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Mercalli still doesn't handle footage from rolling shutter cams very well. Stabilized footage comes out looking somewhat like jello. Only virtualdub's deshaker seems to address this issue.

That is what I have noticed on video from my 2 HC1's. Even so, the results I get with the demo video to test with the waterfall is no better.

Mercalli works but it does not work well enough. Oh well, at least I got it for half price whatever that is worth.

Maybe I need to spend more time with it...

Danny Fye
www.vidmus.com/scolvs

Tony Spring
July 26th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Image softness is dramatic.

I drop a very light sharpen filter on the event and the render looks perfect.

Graham Bernard
July 26th, 2008, 01:45 AM
I drop a very light sharpen filter on the event and the render looks perfect.

Nice one Tony! Smart thinking.

I have DeShake, SteadyHand and now Mercalli.

Merc:
Pros for me - Inside Vegas; Stupidly easy to use; Tweaks for when I want them; registration was painless and final "cleared" registration/activation happened 12 hours later.

Cons for me - Not found much yet. The Frame edge fill is a bit "slurppy". Ah yes! Keyframing WITHIN VEgas is not available - and this was one of the variables that I would have preferred to have. I saw the demo of is being change over time. Looks like it's back to Split Event procedure. When will Vegas get the plugin option more available to 3rd party creators?

What I am really interested in are the aerial shots that appear to be awesomely corrected.

30 quid? No brainer. - But I still have deshake and SH up me sleeve if needed!

Grazie

Ian Stark
July 26th, 2008, 01:57 AM
registration was painless and final "cleared" registration/activation happened 12 hours later.Grazie

Hmmm . . . I'm now just over the "usually within 24 hours" for my download/activation link email. The money has been taken from my credit card though. I'm guessing that if there is a human being involved in this transaction then I won't see my software until after the weekend. Not very impressive.

I can't understand why an online trading company has to take so long to process an order. Why can't it be instant like so many other web vendors? In this day and age we (rightly) expect downloadable software to be available instantly.

This kind of thing smacks of an underfunded/understaffed business that doesn't have the wherewithal to invest in a decent online trading experience for its customers.

Let's hope the funds are being channelled into R&D instead!

/END RANT

Graham Bernard
July 26th, 2008, 02:45 AM
WOW! That is a long time!! I must've been lucky?

After I got the software - see below, my registration doc was generated and THAT took only 2 hours.

I did my "deal" overnight and during the working week. So overnight maybe that was useful - dunno . . ? And you not got any software yet? Blimey-Riley!

Here's my experience:

Day 1 - Paid 10:30pm - went to bed!

Day 2 - 1:30pm - Access to download - Downloaded and checked and fiddled a bit. OK, access to download was 15 hours later not 12 hours - but not MORE than 24 hours?

Day 2 - 2pm - Sent registration details

Day 2 - 4pm - Final registration in place

So my final registration only took 2 hours. But I was up and running well within 24 hours?

Hope you get it soon. 24 hours? And no software? Woah . . .

However, you can play with it while you wait for final registration.

Grazie

Ian Stark
July 26th, 2008, 02:56 AM
Yeah, bummer huh?!

Hey ho - big family and friends bbq at our house today so too much to do now and too little inclination to stare at a screen tomorrow!!

Have a good weekend.

Dylan Couper
July 26th, 2008, 11:14 AM
I drop a very light sharpen filter on the event and the render looks perfect.

I do that too. Otherwise the footage would be too soft to use (for me).

Dylan Couper
July 26th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Hmmm . . . I'm now just over the "usually within 24 hours" for my download/activation link email. The money has been taken from my credit card though. I'm guessing that if there is a human being involved in this transaction then I won't see my software until after the weekend. Not very impressive.

I can't understand why an online trading company has to take so long to process an order. Why can't it be instant like so many other web vendors? In this day and age we (rightly) expect downloadable software to be available instantly.

This kind of thing smacks of an underfunded/understaffed business that doesn't have the wherewithal to invest in a decent online trading experience for its customers.

Let's hope the funds are being channelled into R&D instead!

/END RANT

Same for me. It's ridiculous that in 2008 we have to wait a day or three (over the weekend) for an emailed registration key?

What's next, installing on dual 5 1/4" floppy discs?

Oh, my other complaint, the shopping cart MADE me buy a backup disc for $25. Glad I had a discount code.