The theme is only half of this Challenge, so listen carefully.

The theme was suggested to me almost two years ago, when I first kicked around the idea,
here at DVinfo, of putting UWOL together. Credit goes to one of our regular
players, Grant Sherman (yoo-hoo, Grant! expecting big things!).

But of course, I am going to put my own little spin on
it, to help you all stretch in a direction you might not yet have attempted.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=581180&postcount=23

The theme, then, is PSA (Public Service Announcement) - a 30 - second (or
1-minute) commercial spot that you produce, shoot, edit, and deliver for a
planet- or people-friendly organization in your area, typically considered, but
not restricted to, a non-profit do-gooding agency.

The twist is that you not only need to make one of these -- to be eligible for
judging, you also need to have yours broadcast by the sponsoring organization,
on TV or on their website--or whatever form of mass distribution is effective
for your organization of choice. Maybe DVD. Find out what they need, and deliver
it to them, for them to use to educate us all about their cause.

The broadcast does not have to actually happen in the contest time frame, but
the agreement between you and the organization must be struck in that one-month
time frame, in order for your entry to be eligible for judging.

The extra week isn't just for shooting, it is for finding your subject and for
building your relationship to your cause. Shooting pretty video is easy.
To truly get good at this video thing, you have to
know your audience and who you are serving. This will be the first contest
in which your audience is not the contest and the other players, although we're in there, too....

I have no way to double-check these, so as with most things, we will rely on the
honor system.

You will get a lovely portfolio piece, you will make new connections and network
in your community, and you may very well do something in service to this lovely
planet that has served you so very well.

You will also find out hard and how much work a truly professional 30-second
(or one-minute) commercial can be. Remember, you are not shooting a 30-second
video. You are shooting a 30-second commercial. This will be another important
distinction to keep in mind. Nailing the genre is as important as the images you shoot.

The planet has generously offered up many of its best images to the players in
this contest. It is time to use your remarkable talent to give a little
something back to the planet.

You can save the whales, the wolves, the polar bears, the
trees, the landscape, the environment, the water supply, the trout, the Baltic
Sea. You can be a voice for the indigenous folks who may not have access
to the tools of media.

The only restriction is that you can't do any overtly political announcements,
nothing for individual politicians or overtly political causes that support a
particular political institution. If you're not clear, just e-mail me your
questions in advance, and I'll greenlight it, or not. DVinfo policies restrict
us from explicitly political discussions.

Politics tend to be divisive, and UWOL is all about the hand-holding, the love
and the inspiration that our muse, the planet, brings to all of us, so keep that vibe
alive. Get out there and make the world a better place.

One other note: since you're producing these for a local audience, you can make
these in the language of your region. In fact, I encourage this -- it's time we had
an entry that allowed us to share all of our beautiful languages from all around
the world. If you do so, please upload 2 versions, 1 original and 1 English subtitled
or else VO'ed in English on a single file (don't file your 2 versions separately,
you'll confuse the UWOL team...).

So get out there and shoot something. Our world, your vision. For Team Earth!

Oh my, oh my, oh my, this is not gonna be an easy one...! Oh my!

Ooops, she remembered. Sorry folks ;-)

I always know it is a good theme when Per sounds nervous about it. If I can push him, the rest of us are bound to learn a little something...

Well...I'm done. Fire up the shark tank...

Have fun everyone! I'll be watchin'

Bob

Wow! How cool is that ;-)

Oh blimey.

I wonder if sharks have ever been seen in the seas around here...!?

I don't run a business, I'm not trying to start a business, I'm a lousy salesman...
I don't have any contacts...and I don't have a clue how I would find them...



Aw c'mon Bob! You live in the continental US, this should be a piece of cake for you! There's a nature cause on every corner of the street!

Anyway, remember, you're NOT selling anything...you're giving something away. And you're not doing it for yourself. You're doing it for the love of the birds and the bugs and the trees.

Change your mindset, and perhaps you'll change your mind. Once the initial shock wears off....

With a name like UWOL X, didja think this was going to be easy??? SUCKERS!

Hmmm, mmmh, eeem, eeheem. This will be tricky. But, I do like a good challenge.

I've got the perfect place in just over an hour!!!
Hopefully they'll say Yes to the broadcast.

Thanks UWOL, a real challenge for my second outing.

Russ

Ya'll have fun...and now I'll stop posting my negative vibes in your thread...

Bob

Not shocked...more like bummed. I was really looking forward to this, I've enjoyed the others so. I was pumped and ready for anything...except a business deal.
Just the idea of finding some organization, approaching them and pitching them a PSA video, even a free one, sounds like a job...I've got a job...video is a hobby for me.

I did a video for someone else last year, and it felt like a job...I did not have a good time.

It completely takes the fun out of it for me... :(
And having fun is one of the rules, is it not. ;)

Nope...Sorry, I can't do it.

Ya'll have fun...and now I'll stop posting my negative vibes in your thread...

Bob

I know what you mean Bob, at first glance I thought "Oh S..." but then I had a brainwave about this one place in my area which is perfect. If they don't go with the broadcast thing I'll probably still make a film, cos now I'm all anxious to start.

It sure is gonna be a toughie, I'm sure I speak for us all when I say "Bob you'll be missed mate!"

You are something Meryem.

Today I have even filmed an eclipse of the Sun, 40 % covering the sun. On Svalbard it was 100%. Also started on my holiday tour today and I'm on my way North.
Right now stationed in this area, "Atlanterhavsveien" (look at the picture).
I'm heading way up North to Lofoten a very special and beautiful place in Norway.
But how am I gonna make a PSA on this trip, I don't know :/
Perhaps I'll try to work something out along the way.
After all I am planning to make a rafting tour on the strongest tidal current in the world,
"Saltstraumen". Maybe if I can talk the rafting company into some deal?
We'll see, for now I can't help laughing thinking of all the joy we bring you Meryem :)

Good luck everyone.
Geir Inge

I know what you mean Bob, at first glance I thought "Oh S..." but then I had a brainwave about this one place in my area which is perfect. If they don't go with the broadcast thing I'll probably still make a film, cos now I'm all anxious to start.

It sure is gonna be a toughie, I'm sure I speak for us all when I say "Bob you'll be missed mate!"

I hear you Russ. If anything I am still going to make a film. Even if it does not get broadcast and I do not qualify for the contest. If I have to make something up if it comes to that. I'll even compose some niffty music for it...;)

Oliver

meryem,

I love the idea!!!

However, The psa's I would like to do would totally not be acceptable to most organizations: One I started over two years ago, "Real Canadian Beef" The cattlemans association would hire a hit man if anyone published the fottage I have!! All outdoors and you may never eat beef again!!

I have one great idea that I will email you about to see if it would be appropriate and I would be sanctioned or comissioned to do it.


The trick is finding the source organization.

Many groups have web sites and would be more than willing to post a psa on line. so those of use that live out on the fringes can still get a publication source.



This is goning to be tuff.

What a challenge.

First of all, getting a message across in 30 to 60 seconds will make anyone a better filmmaker.
It's hard enough to do it in three minutes. But 30 seconds teaches you what is important. So whether you aspire to do this for a living or just wanna make better vacation videos, the PSA theme is going to teach you how to tighten up your work to what is only necessary and cut out the fluff.

Secondly, if these places didn't exist, a lot of the places I film, wouldn't exist. These people fight every day to save the places I want to film. Often times they are fighting an uphill battle that they don't often win. They operate on minimal funding and depend on donations to give them the tools they need to protect natural areas here in Iowa.

Indian Creek Nature Center has to figure out how to come up with over $300k to buy a piece of natural Iowa called Prairie Ridge from being developed into million dollar homes. If they can't do it, then that land is gone forever. I'll never again see wild turkeys gathered near the creek that flows through the property, or the woodland wildflowers that grow there. I'll won't be able to sit in a spot so quiet that I can hear a maple leaf hit the ground, or the wind whistling over the wings of the birds that call the ridge home. It'll all be bulldozed away and one more piece of the Iowa that was will be gone.

I think it's a great theme. I think it's a chance to give back. If you don't give back, then there may not be anything left for you to take.

Wilderness is my church. There is no other place that touches my soul and recharges my spirit.

I've already contacted two non-profits in my area, The Iowa Natural Heritage Foundation had been instrumental in protecting a lot of Iowa's natural areas. They also work closely with other national organizations to identify and protect areas of Iowa that are quickly disappearing.

Twelve minutes after getting the theme, they were already emailing me saying they were very interested.

Shortly after that I was contacted by another organization Prariewoods who was very interested as well.

They ended their email by saying "Thanks for thinking of us!" These are the people that fight every day to try and protect the natural Iowa so that I can share with you the beauty of Iowa in my UWOL films.

It's not about making this a business thing. The way I look at this is that the people who fight to protect the natural areas of Iowa need the best tools they can find to convince the people that can make a difference. They're not going to put up just anything so that I can be judged in this challenge. This challenge is about making me a better filmmaker. I'll know if I met that challenge when they say we'd like to put this up on our website. That's because it will be a good film. If it's a good film then that means I've become a better filmmaker in the process.

I think the twist is that extra something I need to push myself to go the extra mile to make as good of a film as I possibly can. I don't think it's intended to turn us into "pros". For me, it's about making a film good enough that an organization trying to preserve something is willing to say this is what we represent and what we are fighting for. If they felt that way about my film then THAT gives me goose bumps!

Well, I have to say that my first thought is that I am not even close to skilled enough to create a professional PSA. Not for wildlife. I will either have to come up with a sudden brainstorm or sit this one out. This is a hobby. Finding an organization might be a little to far beyond my comfort level.

I know that there are some birds over on the coast that need some protection, but I just can't spare the time to spend a few days over there trying to capture video on Government land.

And Disney certainly doesn't need my help to support their Animal Kingdom efforts. Even though the efforts are worth contributing to.

Too much for me, I think. We'll see.

Jeez Meryem,
I work 9 to 14 hour days at my real job 6 days a week. No time for something like this.
Can you say "Great White".

Steven Siegel, MD

first,



Remember the uwol theme is OUTDOORS, not just wildlife!!! I am a wildlife photographer, not a movie maker, not an advertising agency.

Professionally all I do is event videographer and the odd promo.

From what I have seen everyone from this group has the skills to do this!!!!!!!

Most have more skills than I by a fair amount.

I contacted an organization this morning after oking my theme with Meryem. They are reved up about the idea. To the point they want me to do a ten minute piece to put on a ctv special (they do ten minute or less films on local or cultural activities). We will see about that one. I am also contacting a station in another province that runs all wildlife and hunting films, I suspect I might get in that door as well, but perhaps not in the 30 days. If nothing else It can be used by the organization as a dvd promo.

AND Remember Meryem said a useful dvd to be used is good too!!!!!


So the news is, Don't Panic friends!!!!

what doesn't kill ya only makes you better!@!! Or is it more cautious????


dale guthormsen

Professionally all I do is event videographer and the odd promo.


Dale, that's the thing...many of us do not do anything professionally.
To you, it may not be a big deal to contact stangers and pitch an idea, but to some of us it is....
And, like Steve, I work a different job, 50-60 hours a week. Plus I have family obligations. So I only have evenings and some weekends for this hobby.
Even if I wanted to do this, I'm not going to promise some organisation a PSA and then have to go back hat in hand and say, "Sorry, I got busy at my "real" job and well, you're out of luck."

Give me theme and let me run, make something, good or bad and show it to my peers...super, that's fun and I learn a lot....
Give me a job assignment that goes beyone a video based on a theme, well I'm not interested.
Don't take me wrong, I don't make the rules and it's not my game...so I'm not upset, just dissapointed that I'm not in a position to play.

I hope it works out well for you. I can't wait to see what people come up with.

Bob

I can see Bob's point and I'm sure there are some first timers who are thinking "why didn't I wait till next round!!!"

I'm doing this to learn more about the craft, but having fun is essential. I'm not in it for the competition, just to learn.

So.. I'll just ignore the judging part:

"The theme, then, is PSA (Public Service Announcement) - a 30 - second (or 1-minute) commercial spot that you produce, shoot, edit, and deliver for a planet- or people-friendly organization in your area, typically considered, but not restricted to, a non-profit do-gooding agency."

I'll look for a local cause and produce a TVC that would appeal to me, I might even stretch the boundaries and do it on something like coal mining or power stations & pollution or what about the local progress association (that's a people friendly organisation)

The judging is pretty irrelevant to me (sorry guys) what I value is your comments on my efforts - so I'll do 'my' version of the theme.

One thing I think we do need to agree on is finding Grant and gaffertaping his mouth shut so he cant come up with any more 'great' ideas :-))

don't not get involved because you don't like the theme, just modify the theme , unless you're really that concerned about the judging (sorry to be subversive)

Ok, the "Live Nude Furry Creatures" title joke was interesting...I obviously still need some time to adjust to this group... :-)

At first I too was somewhat crestfallen that it wasn't just a theme to pursue, however, due to my interest in maybe making filmmaking a career, I know that this is the kind of thing I personally need to do more of. Build my reel, get "business" skills in terms of dealing with clients, etc...

So, we'll see how it all works out but yeah, I ought to do this.

Well I was very excited about UWOL X - knowing I was heading to New Zealand in 3 days (for 10 days) and would be able to capture some amazing scenery. However, given the different approach this time round, it isn't going to leave me with the time when I get back, to commit (to the standard I would like) to this challenge. So I must unfortunately head over to the shark tank and see you all next time round.

Good luck everyone.

David,


I see your problem about being in the wrong place at the wrong time!!! However a theme of traveling to other parts of the natural world could be a great business advert for inspiring others to appreciate the atural world!!! Bet a travel agency would bite on that!!!


If I only submitted videos to a standard I desire, I would publish nothing, ever.


Again you guys could do something even if you do not compete for the "Big Cash Prize".

Hi Dale,

Thanks for your comments however, based on the requirements that Meryem has posted, I am under the impression that the approach you suggested wouldn't qualify. I say this as there would be no "qualifying organisation", for want of a better word - no agreement with an entity to show my commercial on their web site or the like, etc.

If it was simply a theme where we all shoot a 30 second commercial which portrays a message about the planet, wildlife, etc - without the requirement to have an arrangement with some organisation or entity, I would agree with your suggestion to film something. In fact, many ideas are already coming to mind. I just wouldn't be able (in two weeks), when I get back from our holiday, to coordinate something with a local entity.

Reading your post Dale, it sounds like you have something which you sound very passionate about. I think that's the thing that UWOL X will ultimately embody - "passion".

I think just making a 30 sec video is a challenge all by itself....Now I have a local organization I am thinking of ...However I dont know if they have a web site to broadcast the video ( television is way out of my league ) If they dont have a web site I may have to help them create one...failing that I might have to do it on a DVD for them to use in fundraising presentations...would that still qualify?

About a month ago I made a save the planet, 30 second commercial for a competition , with my video club, the theme pollution/waste/recycling.
The 30-second short, I did in a week as I had a lot of footage to fall back on.

LIVE NUDE FURRY CREATURES?

I think this is a great idea, after a bit of google and a few calls I came up with a few.
But our outlets here in the UK are very limited no small TV outlets we did have, BBC one-minute movies, (just found out their not accepting any more movies) and Channel 4 FourDocs but they are for 3minute Docs videos.

The 3 big national charities don’t have video on their web sites, I’ve looked through a lot of smaller Trusts etc. not found one that supports video
I will still go ahead and make a video and see if I can pull a rabbit out of my hat ☺.

Seeing as this is basically what Nick and I do professionally (even If we are very new to the business) this should be an ok one for us. Only thing that worries me is the 30 second aspect. Not much to get a serious message across. Time to think outside the box a bit in terms of the films style.

As for contacting organisations best thing to do is to grab an email address and send off a quick introduction. Most wildlife, conservation and outdoors type organisations are strapped for cash so a bit of free video publicity will normally be jumped at even if you cant promise a compleation date or even comit to finishing the thin at all. remember this is something we are doing voluntarily and no contracts will be signed so time to meet the people doing good in your comunity and see if you can help them out.


Let the adventure begin.


Ps. Love the twist on the theme. Makes a plesant change from just shooting pretty pictures to match a word.

Meryem, what can I say... You did it again!

Interesting theme and concept. But it will be hard, very hard!
Not a clue what to do yet, but I hope I'll come up with something...

GOOD LUCK everyone!
And remember rule #11, have FUN!

I would have to agree with what Bob and Paul are saying. Like Bob, I also have a full time job and the film making is a hobby. I get a kick out of trying to meet the theme of the competition and seeing what I can do with it and learning something new through trial and error and everyone's comments and suggestions. My first entry was trying my hand at timing music changes with scenery changes along with depth of field shots. My second entry was trying my hand at using a macro lens for the first time. Though poorly executed I did learn something and it was fun doing it. I was really looking forward to this "X" go around but I find myself slightly lost. I've looked to see what organizations are locally to me and although I just started sofar I have not found any. Like Paul I want this to be fun and I may just put a 30 second PSA together and if it does not qualify for the contest do to the rules at least I made an effort to participate and still get to learn something.

Hopefully, if I cannot meet the competition rules I would be allowed to post a link and all you kind people could still honor me with your comments and suggestions. But I have not fully given up yet.

The best of luck to all of you.

Oliver Pahlow

If they dont have a web site I may have to help them create one...failing that I might have to do it on a DVD for them to use in fundraising presentations...would that still qualify?

yes absolutely, the only requirement is that it is received by them on a distributable form with *the intent* of distribution (whether they actually use it in that capacity is entirely at their discretion)....a trade show video or fund-raising video, those are great ways to help other people out...

i think there is a big concern about the level of professionalism required to do something like this...but keep in mind that it's not about doing a national TV campaign for the World Wildlife Federation. there are probably many tiny little organizations operating on a shoestring budget by a handful of volunteers that would love to have people pitch in and lend a hand.

after all, if it weren't for people like that, there would not be a UWOL -- some of you seem to be overlooking the obvious....this thing primarily, runs on the energy of 3 people who care about it, it is self-funded, and it reaches people all over the world.

think of UWOL as prototype of the people that we are trying to help you to reach out to...and then maybe you won't feel quite so daunted...that is who runs these little non-profit type of grass-roots movements, people who care about something that means something to them. it's typically not their day job....

There's no doubt that we have two groups of shooters here. Those that do it just to get out and shoot and those that would like to turn it into something more.

I think this is a good opportunity for those who would want to try and go beyond hobby shooting while those that want to shoot as a hobby can still do a 30-60 second PSA on their own just to see if they can do it.

I think if you still want to participate, you should make a non-competing entry just to see if you can do a 30-60 second spot.

One of the other forums has non-competing entries in their contests all the time.

Doesn't mean you can't get feedback etc on it if it's non-compete.

I probably work more than most of you. I either work 19 days in a row or 45 days in a row in the Summer usually. Fifty-six hours is usually my normal work week up to over 80 hours sometimes in the Summer. I've got a wife at home that complains she doesn't see me as much as she's like now. So, I know what that is like. Sometimes it's why I don't get challenges done. Sometimes I don't like the result of what I'm working on and I trash it.

So, if you're not happy with the 2nd part of the challenge, shoot a non-compete PSA. There's no one saying you can't.

I just look at it as an opportunity to find new places to shoot. I know the Iowa Heritage Foundation has been great to me. I asked this Spring where to find skunk cabbage.
They sent out emails all over the state and within hours I had areas with skunk cabbage plants, contacts to call that would take me to where they were etc.

In fact, the reason I talked to them about doing a PSA is that they followed up with me recently to see if the weird weather had thwarted my shooting and they wanted to know if there were other things I was looking to shoot that they could help with.

I know there are a lot of grass root organizations like that around the state.

Tomorrow I'm going to drive 2 1/2 hours to an areas I've never been but there are all kinds of organizations and parks there with staff that I will talk to in order to find new areas etc.

I always take my iPod Touch with me to show them some of my work. Usually it's past UWOL films. :)

David,
I would love to see you do a PSA in NZ. What's at risk there? Why can't you do a PSA to see if you can do it?

Just because I didn't enter a film for "Night" doesn't mean I didn't do one. :) Can you do a 30 second spot on the planet in peril?

I think everyone is getting to hung up on the 2nd part of the challenge. If you don't want to get involved with a group and see if you can help them by doing a PSA for them, there's nothing stopping you from doing a PSA on your own. Don't throw in the towel because you don't want to work with a group.

Just because I have two contacts that seem eager to work with me doesn't means that they're going to use it. But I will still submit what I put together as a non-compete.

These people that work with these groups are a wealth of information. It's worth meeting them just to learn from them even if you never bring up doing a PSA.

I met a master gardener here in Iowa while I was looking for woodland wildflowers to film. He told me about a few spots and invited me to his house where he had over 20 acres of native woodland wildflowers.
I earned his respect over time and then he opened up a huge world of wildflowers to me. He took me to areas that virtually no one knew about, introduced me to the people that owned the land and gave me free run of his land to film whenever I like.

Sadly, my work hours have changed and I've haven;t been able to get out and film them in the short few weeks they bloom. Even sadder was that Ken passed away a couple years ago and the knowledge he had is lost but to the few that were smart enough to learn from him. Called every plant by its latin name. I'd say Ken, can I find some Prairie Trillium to film and he'd say oh, you mean you want to film Trillium recurvatum? :)

Anyway, I'm kind of getting off track here. I think everyone should try to do a PSA. If you want to work with a group great. If you just want to do it as a challenge to see if you can tell a story in 30-60 seconds, that's great too.

Just get out and shoot something!!!!

let me just address one persistent mis-perception...that this round somehow favors pros.

we had 53 sign-ups. to the best of my knowledge, 5 of these are pros -- for 3 of these pros, making video is an occasional side job, not their day job. there are 2 full time pros who participate in this contest regularly, both of whom have told me that their steady participation has helped them realize that dream--they were not working professionals before UWOL.

less than 10% of the participants would begin to qualify as video professionals. of the pros who play this game, only 2 of them have actually won the contest.

this round--and this entire contest, for that matter-- favors the players who understand the spirit of each particular challenge round and are willing to take it on, period.

for everyone else, there's the party over at the shark tank! and many more easy, comfortable themes to come, like WATER and WILDLIFE.

i throw a curveball once a year and this is it. but hey, at least i announced it (several times) in advance, this time. i call that progress....

just as a reminder, NIGHT, as a theme, knocked out half the participants and generated a ton of complaints. but those who played reaped big benefits and learned a lot about their craft.

i'd rather have 10 people finish and maybe, just maybe, be an agent for change in their tiny corner of the universe, because i believe in the benefits of this theme, not just for the finishers but also for their communities.

Hi Kevin & Dale,

I see you point about shooting a non entry version.

Better get started......good luck guys, and thanks for the clarification and encouragement.

Maybe this isn't a perfect analogy but then, I'm not a perfect person.

Most of my racing is done in regional series - running against guys from hundreds of miles around, not thousands. It's very challenging but it's also comfortable. We are a family. Every once in a while though, one of our local guys heads out to run on the national level - traveling all over the country and running against the pros. 99% of the time these guys get completely pounced, humiliated, passed by the pros so fast it makes them question why they even race. I know, because more than once that guy has been me.

What's most interesting here is what happens after the nationals. After you've tirelessly chased these pros who ride at levels you've never understood. After you lose at tracks where you're used to winning. After you go from being one second off the leading regional pace, to being four seconds slower than anyone on the track - PER LAP. What happens, because you put yourself out there, is you return as a faster racer. A better racer.


For me, stepping up to this challenge will be JUST like running the nationals - only without the concrete barrier walls and twisted metal.

Good luck to all

....Nope, not the video.

My GL2, has gone to the shop, for repairs. So depending on when it gets back, I may still be able to pull this off.

My Optura, should be on it's way back from the shop soon, so hopefully, one of them will do the job for me.

Figures, my first challenge, only to be waylayed by equipment issues.

I even emailed a local organization, still waiting on them too!

fingers and toes are crossed.

This is an amazing theme Meryem. Just one quick question - is the file size limit still 60MB - even for this 30/60second commercial?

good question. yep. that means you can go to town on the quality and the bit rate. if we knock too many folks into the tank, i may even allow for bigger file dimensions, just for this round. let me think about it. it would be nice to have a little extra reward to the finishers and seeing their amazing work in a bigger size would be a good one.

Hey everyone.

I've just got back from a weeks diving in the red sea....wow, wow, wow! No video but lots of pictures to come. I'll put up a separate thread soon.

Anyway just wanted to chime in a say I think this is an excellent curve ball for the contest. Meryem...you were sent from above to bamboozle and educate. I just hope I can find the time to put a film together. I think I'll have to get a few emails out there pretty sharpish!

So did I read right on the UWOL website that the deadline is the 22nd? :-(

For some reason I had thought it was the entire month...am I mistaken? If it's the 22nd I'm most likely going not to have mine done in time for judging.

deadline is the 30th - we'll change that, it's a mistake on the website...

That is a relief.

Funny thing is, the group I am trying to film something for won't be able to do something until the 30th. Just a small group they do these hike things...yada yada scheduling.

I don't have a problem editing through the night if I have to, but I am wondering...as long as it is midnight in Hawaii even though I'm in Utah is that cool? :-)

I don't want to miss the deadline by a few hours....

let's just say i'm usually heading to bed at 10 pm MST, and i don't look at these until the next morning....closely tracking "midnight anywhere in the world" means I would have miss my beauty rest...