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Jeroen Wolf
November 19th, 2008, 10:22 AM
Just paid for my EX1 and am now looking into the Kensington Reader and the Sandisk cards. Sorry if this seems redundant but the thread is so long and developments swift... am I still best off with the Kensington Card Reader number K33407 (EU) and the Sandisk Ultra II 16GB 15 mb/s cards?

Jeroen

Alex Raskin
November 19th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Yes, use either Sandisk:

Kensington adapter (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/475428-REG/Kensington_K33407US_7_in_1_ExpressCard_Media_Reader.html/BI/2187/KBID/2932) + Sandisk card (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/541404-REG/SanDisk_SDSDRH_016GR_16GB_Ultra_II_Secure.html/BI/2187/KBID/2932)

or Transcend (cheaper, works the same):

Kensington adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=kensington%20k33407us&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) (shows in-stock now!) + Transcend card (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B0010Z28XG&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)

James Dierx
November 19th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Jeroen I believe you are correct. Although I have not tested it, but playing close attention to this thread that seems like the best working substitute.

I got my Sandisk Ultra IIs on amazon.. going to Microcenter today to pick up my Kensington readers :D

Thank you everybody for your hard work.

Peter Kraft
November 19th, 2008, 11:53 AM
expresscard adapter for ex1 and cf adapter for 5dmk2, only the sdhc card moves around. Noah, where did you find a cf-sdhc adapter?
Who ist the manufacturer? Any links you can give? Thx.

Andrew Stone
November 19th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Just paid for my EX1 and am now looking into the Kensington Reader and the Sandisk cards. Sorry if this seems redundant but the thread is so long and developments swift... am I still best off with the Kensington Card Reader number K33407 (EU) and the Sandisk Ultra II 16GB 15 mb/s cards?

Jeroen

You better hurry up! The availability of the Kensington 7-in-1 reader is very, very slim.

The rumor is that Kensington has discontinued the reader. I would suggest looking around pronto and maybe jones around some of the other forums with threads related to this topic you might find out some valuable information on a place to get one.

EDIT:

I see Alex has found some for you on Amazon. Quick!

Jeroen Wolf
November 19th, 2008, 01:29 PM
I can find plenty here in the Netherlands- maybe I should collect them and start a little business on the side... ;-)

I'm getting 2 8 gig S&S cards. Two extra 16 gig SDHC cards should get me thru most shooting situation... or should I get 4 SDHC cards? Really not looking forward to cutting all those cards in half though... (just watched that most interesting demo video of a 'madman' doing a job on a 16 gig card with a pair of scissors.)

Steve Shovlar
November 19th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Jeroen, I am selling two 16Gb SxS cards at the moment at £400 each. A real bargain as they have hardly been used. Anyone interested message me.

As for the Ultra 32Gb cards, I have just had an email from the supplier in the Uk who says they are not yet in the country. So much for getting my hands on one before the end of the month! Be lucky to see one this side of the New year.

Ola Christoffersson
November 19th, 2008, 03:39 PM
(just watched that most interesting demo video of a 'madman' doing a job on a 16 gig card with a pair of scissors.)

Can you give us a link? I did not think it was possible to cut down the size on them to make it possible to close the door on the EX1.

Peter Kraft
November 19th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Ola, here it is:

SDHC card shaving | Fohdeesha Media (http://fohdeesha.com/node/7)

Enjoy

Noah Yuan-Vogel
November 19th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Just ordered another adapter and card. Amazons linked to thenerds.com who had 2 left so i got another one, im a little worried that they will be discontinued and not be available anymore. also dell.com has 16gb sandisk ultra ii sdhc for $50 so i grabbed another one of those.

anyone interested in buying 2 lightly used 8GB Sony SxS cards from me? :)

Ola Christoffersson
November 19th, 2008, 03:54 PM
SDHC card shaving | Fohdeesha Media (http://fohdeesha.com/node/7)But that looks so easy! There must be a catch. Didn't I read about somebody in this thread trying to shave a couple of millimeters off his card and breaking it?
Can anybody else confirm that this is working well?

Alex Raskin
November 19th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Ola, Transcend cards (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B0010Z28XG&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) definitely cannot be shortened, as the circuit board sits almost flush to the border of its plastic case. I tried and bricked one that way.

It's shocking that Sandisk (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B0012W7HQK&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) is so different.

I guess I'll order one and try shortening it!

Ronn Kilby
November 19th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Somebody try that with a Transcend card - they're cheaper!

Steven Thomas
November 19th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Ronn,
As just mentioned above, you can not shorten the Transcend.

Steven Thomas
November 19th, 2008, 05:40 PM
The rumor is that Kensington has discontinued the reader.


And apparently only a rumor...
You can actually buy these right from Kensington for $40 USD:
7-in-1 Media Reader for ExpressCard® slot (http://us.kensington.com/html/12631.html)

They are in stock. They listed these out of stock a couple weeks ago.
So, it sure appears they are still building these cards.
In anything, if they notice an increase in sale orders from their dealers, they may just keep making them. I'm sure they've seen the sales boost on this card.

Bob Grant
November 19th, 2008, 06:42 PM
I spoke with eXpansys AU a couple of days ago. The Kensington adaptors are now in the USA. Significant numbers will be in Australia shortly.

Robert Young
November 19th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Apparently the San Disk cards are not all the same. Not only are my 16 GB cards not translucent, like the card on the demo video, but when I chopped the end off of one of them the cut went thru what looks like a brittle bakelite circuit board. So, that's all kind of hanging out in the breeze now. The card still works fine- plays the files already on the card, will record, camera says its got 58 min, etc. but I'm thinking- one drop of moisture on the cut end may well do it in.

Alex Raskin
November 19th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Robert, Peter Kraft's link (page 64 of this thread) shows photo of the Sandisk card's intestines, and clearly there's some kind of shiny board inside.

The guy in the video insists it can be cut without any effect on functionality.

If so, Robert's concern still stands: how do we deal with the open end where the cut was made?

I'd seal the cut with something non-conductive, like hot glue or alike.

Robert Young
November 20th, 2008, 12:38 AM
Glue might do it, but I think I'll just leave the door open and not cut any more cards for the time being. I have a feeling a more suitable solution is percolating around out there. Just a matter of time.
Actually, I just used 3 coats of clear fingernail polish (Sally Hansen, Hard as Nails) and it looks nicely sealed- should be fairly durable too. We'll see.
Jeez... Sony must be watching all of this in horror.

Herminio Cordido
November 20th, 2008, 01:05 AM
Glue might do it, but I think I'll just leave the door open and not cut any more cards for the time being. I have a feeling a more suitable solution is percolating around out there. Just a matter of time.

cutting it is just perfect, why would you wait for a more suitable solution? actually what would be a more suitable solution? a new door perhaps?
maybe just wait a week for the new Sandisk Ultra II Nano

Jon Sands
November 20th, 2008, 01:22 AM
That's very odd Robert, that your sandisk is different. It wouldn't happen to be the 30mb/s version would it?


The translucent card I halved was the Sandisk Ultra II SDHC 15MB/s 16GB. Which is still working awesome by the way. As for sealing up the end, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's literally some solid state chips and the conductors on the outside of the card. There's a reason people accidentally put these things through the laundry and they still work fine! Sealing it up is still probably a good idea though, never know what could get in there.

Robert Young
November 20th, 2008, 01:25 AM
Herminio
Somehow, after actually cutting it, this solution seems less than ideal. The open door is not a critical problem for me, but the integrity of the recording media is. Maybe cutting and sealing as I have done will not effect longevity, or resistance to moisture, dust, etc., but I don't know that right now. A very nice solution would be Kensington making a card reader that is a couple of mm shorter, or San Disk making the SD card a little shorter. At some point the actual Express Cards will be as cheap as the SDHC arrangement.

Robert Young
November 20th, 2008, 01:30 AM
Jon
It's the 16GB card.
All the imprint info on the front of the card is identical to the one in the video, but it is absolutely opaque black plastic, and what I can see thru the cut end looks like a circuit board. It is actually working just fine in the EX, but does seem different from the one that was demo chopped in the video

Jon Sands
November 20th, 2008, 01:45 AM
Well that sure is strange, it would be nice to get to the bottom of this to prevent any future circuit board chomping. So you're sure that your card is not the 30MB/s version? Also, does your card have a circled 4 on it? (might be the revision number)

Peter Kraft
November 20th, 2008, 01:48 AM
Robert, you are a doctor which brings me to the idea,
why not x-ray the sdhc card(s) and only shorten it/them
if possible.
I asked at my othopaedic doctor's and they'd be willing
to do me that favor. Why not?

Ronn Kilby
November 20th, 2008, 10:12 AM
Ronn,
As just mentioned above, you can not shorten the Transcend.

Thanks Steven - that post was not up when I posted :)

Jason Davenport
November 20th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Getting my adapter next week, now how much slower are the downloads with these cards, or is it? Usually just going from PC laptop to client's portable HD.

Paul Kellett
November 20th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Can't cut or shave the Transcends, i just tried it.
The card is full all the way.
The components inside have Samsung written on them.

Paul.

Steven Thomas
November 20th, 2008, 12:55 PM
does your card have a circled 4 on it? (might be the revision number)

Jon,
the circled four stands for a class four card. All of the Ultra II 15MB/s cards are class 4.

Alex Raskin
November 20th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Can't cut or shave the Transcends, i just tried it.

Tz, tz.

See here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/966053-post961.html

Klaas van Urk
November 20th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I shaved my Sandisk Extreme III card and found it difficult pull it out the Kensington media reader. By sticking a small piece of tape at the shaved end of the card I created a small 'handle' that can be folded away the close the door of the EX1.

http://72.167.78.60/DSC_0414.JPG

Robert St-Onge
November 20th, 2008, 09:54 PM
I just noticed that the Kensington adapter is discontinued on the B&H site.


kensington reader | B&H Photo Video (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=search&A=search&Q=&shs=kensington+reader&ci=0&dscnt=Y)

Ned Soltz
November 20th, 2008, 10:53 PM
I just noticed that the Kensington adapter is discontinued on the B&H site.


kensington reader | B&H Photo Video (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=search&A=search&Q=&shs=kensington+reader&ci=0&dscnt=Y)

Or Sony bought and destroyed all available inventory ;)

Steven Thomas
November 20th, 2008, 11:28 PM
You can order them right from Kensingon. They are in stock.

Ned Soltz
November 20th, 2008, 11:40 PM
I have yet to try any of the 32gb SDHC cards on the market. While I have a SanDisk on order, SanDisk is really not commenting on availability of their 32gb offering.

There are 32gb SDHC offerings from Kingston, PNY, Delkin and even a very pricey Panasonic class 6 card.

Has anyone tried any of these cards yet?

Ola Christoffersson
November 21st, 2008, 02:25 AM
I own one Sandisk ExtremeIII that has been serving me without problems. I also own a 16 GB Sandisk UltraII card. In fact this is a replacement card for my first UltraII that was not to be trusted at all.

This second card has been working well for a couple of days but yesterday when I was shooting in -1 degrees centrigrades and doing a timelapse, when I pressed "playback last clip" after finishing the timelaps the camera said that the media needed to be restored. The card then stopped working. I could not restore it since I never got that option. I tried pulling the card out and pack in and toggling between camera and playback mode. The card could not be read.

When I got back I tried reading it in my laptop without success but after trying with both the SD-reader in my laptop and the Kensington adapter and also rebooting the computer, the card finally showed up. The material was all there and now it seems to be working again.

However, I have lost a lot of faith in the SDHC solution. In the discussions on this thread it seems like when people get restore media-messages they seem to get the option to restore. What does it mean when the camera says that the card needs to be restored and then does not offer this option?

Also - I am certain that I am using genuine Sandisk media. It is not an e-bay-fake.

Any thoughts?

Steven Thomas
November 21st, 2008, 09:33 AM
Maybe not to shoot timelapse in -1C weather. :)
Actually, that's just barely below freezing, so I doubt that was an issue.

I have been using four Kensingtons with SanDisk cards everyday for four months with not one error.

Ola, with your luck, it may be time for you to go back to SxS.
Having said that, problems can happen.
Someone just reported yesterday on the "other" forum that their P2 card gave a "incompatible card" error and will not allow it to format.
He was shooting with his HPX170.

Ned Soltz
November 21st, 2008, 09:52 AM
I've just written to Kensington's PR firm under my "press" credentials to see if they can offer any official comment on the status of the card or possible replacement. I'll post if I get an answer.

Peter Kraft
November 21st, 2008, 10:04 AM
Very interesting. Do you think they will answer?

Ned Soltz
November 21st, 2008, 10:10 AM
Generally, PR firms will at least acknowledge a press contact. I would imagine that it would take a bit to get a response since the PR firm would need to contact the appropriate product manager at Kensington who may or may not choose to respond. It's worth a try and my writer status does open lots of doors. I find most often that the best way of getting information from a company is through its PR firm or in-house PR dept.

Peter Kraft
November 21st, 2008, 10:25 AM
Being a writer myself, I know what you mean.
Nevertheless, best luck,

Joe Diaz
November 21st, 2008, 10:48 AM
Has anyone tried this

Welcome to Transcend Website - Transcend Releases its New ExpressCard/34 Solid State Disk, Up to 16GB (http://www.transcendusa.com/Press/index.asp?LangNo=0&PrsNo=690&axn=Detail)

Can be ordered here:
Transcend 16GB Express Card Solid State Drive TS16GSSD34E-M at TigerDirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3405698&CatId=3799)

Transcend Releases its New ExpressCard/34 Solid State Disk, Up to 16GB
if its what i think it is it should work on the EX1 with the door closed
if indeed it will work.

Ned Soltz
November 21st, 2008, 10:59 AM
Has anyone tried this

Welcome to Transcend Website - Transcend Releases its New ExpressCard/34 Solid State Disk, Up to 16GB (http://www.transcendusa.com/Press/index.asp?LangNo=0&PrsNo=690&axn=Detail)It has been noted several times on this board. The SSD DOES NOT work.

Jeroen Wolf
November 21st, 2008, 11:55 AM
I have been using four Kensingtons with SanDisk cards everyday for four months with not one error.

Just curious: which version of the Sandisk card- Ultra II or Extreme III?

Ned Soltz
November 21st, 2008, 02:49 PM
With the apparent demise of the Kensington 7 in 1 (no confirmation yet from Kensington PR but Kensington customer service says discontinued), I did a last-ditch test today of other adapters.

I bought SIIg, i-dot-connect, and Delkin ExpressCard adapters today and gave each a try.

The good news-- The SIIG fits in the EX-1 and allows closing the door.

The bad news-- neither the EX-1 nor the EX-3 would recognize any of these cards. No problem recognizing Kensington.

I anxiously await a report on the Chinese cards on eBay. Hopefully they will work. But I still wouldn't feed them to dog or baby.

Peter Kraft
November 21st, 2008, 03:09 PM
Ned, I just learnt that SIIG does offer various different Expresscard adapters. USB and PCIe-based ones.
Please post the item number of your card, just to exclude that SIIG adapters don't work at all.

Steven Thomas
November 21st, 2008, 03:23 PM
Just curious: which version of the Sandisk card- Ultra II or Extreme III?

I'm using both.
The new 30MB/s Exteme III & the Ultra II 15MB/s

And just to be clear, I meant to write almost three months, not four.

Ned Soltz
November 21st, 2008, 03:29 PM
Ned, I just learnt that SIIG does offer various different Expresscard adapters. USB and PCIe-based ones.
Please post the item number of your card, just to exclude that SIIG adapters don't work at all.

Good catch, Peter

The model number on the card is 02-0393A and part number after sn is CE-E01012-S1

Interestingly, the card I bought was labeled ExpressCard 11-in-1

The SIIG website shows this card labeled 12-in-1 but with identical part number.

It is definitely worth trying the 12-in-1, Will look for one.

Ned Soltz

Peter Kraft
November 21st, 2008, 03:40 PM
Ned, press releases concerning the different express card adapters
can be found here: http://siig.com/PressRelease.aspx?prid=52

Evan Meades
November 21st, 2008, 04:45 PM
Just in case a few of you missed Ross Herwini's post re another card adapter that works, here's a link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Laptop-ExpressCard-SD-SDHC-MS-MMC-Express-Card-Reader_W0QQitemZ220313712512QQihZ012QQcategoryZ96913QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l12 62

I originally ordered 2 of these as I couldn't get the Kensington's here in OZ.
I have had no problems other than not being able to fully close the door on my EX3 but a tab of velcro basically does the same thing and the door "looks" closed.
The other bonus is they are dirt cheap!

cheers, Evan

ps, overcrank I get about 50 frames before an error