View Full Version : How long should chapters be in a feature?


Heath McKnight
September 11th, 2003, 06:32 PM
Since I'm still fairly new to DVD production, how long should chapters be on my feature? 10, 15 or 20 minutes? I think 15 are good, around that time frame (depending on when a scene or sequence).

Any thoughts?

heath

Keith Loh
September 11th, 2003, 06:40 PM
Chapters should not have an arbitrary length. They should be based upon scenes or thematic breaks in your story.

Heath McKnight
September 11th, 2003, 06:42 PM
I've seen some movies with 15 chapters, others with 40 (two hour films, usually).

heath

Rob Belics
September 12th, 2003, 09:15 AM
Not sure what you mean by "chapters". Feature films usually have three acts or more. Each act is composed of sequences which are made up of scenes. I'm thinking you mean sequences.

Never write a story based on screen time. Though there are restraints on what you should do, no one movie uses the same time limitations. As Keith said, your story determines the length.

Jake Russell
September 12th, 2003, 11:14 AM
Nope, Heath meant chapters. Chapters are on a dvd and allow you to skip sections of footage(well actually bring a lot more to the table than that but anyway) or even jump straight to a part of a film from a submenu for scene selection.

Jake

Heath McKnight
September 12th, 2003, 11:23 AM
yeah. I own MEETING PEOPLE IS EASY on DVD (Radiohead doc) with NO chapters. What a bitch to navigate through to my favorite spots! God Bless chapters!

heath

Rob Lohman
September 12th, 2003, 01:45 PM
Wait till you get some David Lynch DVD's (I have Mulholland Drive).
He never ever has scene selection because he believes a movie
should be seen from beginning to end, not in pieces. I think he
also never has any commentary tracks because he wants people
to see the movie with their own eyes and heart, not through his.

Heath McKnight
September 12th, 2003, 01:48 PM
Hmmm, interesting. But what if you want to watch your favorite scene? What a pain to search through it.

I can understand that with commentary, but I still enjoyed giving out little trivia things and laughing it up with our co-writer and actress.

heath

Rob Lohman
September 12th, 2003, 01:59 PM
Well, most players & discs allow you to jump to a specific moment
in time. So if you know the hour:minute:second you can enter
that on your remote and jump there (check your players manual)

Keith Loh
September 12th, 2003, 02:35 PM
I was amused to find that my Russian Ark DVD (released this week) has chapters.

Alex Taylor
September 28th, 2003, 01:53 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Keith Loh : I was amused to find that my Russian Ark DVD (released this week) has chapters. -->>>

Of course, so you can skip to the start of the take, the middle of the take, or the end of the take ;)

I'll have to pick that up some time, I have yet to see Russian Ark.

Peter Moore
September 29th, 2003, 06:33 AM
Here's a tip:

Divide the chapters based on what you would entitle them. In other words if the chapter has a good, logical title, then it should be a chapter. If different things happen within the "x"-minute sequence you were thinking of making a chapter, maybe you should divide it up.

Typically, though not always, a chapter mark would occur only at a scene break in a movie, so you can use that as your starting point.

Heath McKnight
September 29th, 2003, 08:45 AM
I did sequences, but one was so long (about 14 minutes), I cut it off at 9 minutes, ie, the end of one scene.

I also am not entitling them, because I think it would ruin it for those who haven't seen the movie yet.

heath

Rob Lohman
October 6th, 2003, 04:32 AM
Well, people shouldn't be going into chapter screens if they
haven't seen the movie yet. Just hit play. I tend to never read
the backside of a movie when I rent it either. Also don't make
a spoilery menu like some discs I've seen.

A chapter of 14 minutes doesn't necessarely have to be a
bad thing, depending on feature length and the kind of scene.

How many times did you actually use chapters on a DVD? I
know I did a couple of times to get watch a certain point, but
mostly I watch the whole movie or the behind the scenes
stuff.

Bryan Mitchell
October 20th, 2003, 01:12 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Keith Loh : I was amused to find that my Russian Ark DVD (released this week) has chapters. -->>>

When I just read that, it made my day. I am very amused as well :)

I didn't know it was out on DVD already, it's a good thing I stumbled upon this older post. It never played here in Vegas, so I couldn't see it, but I did watch the trailer about 11 times. I think I'm going to go buy that on DVD today, now knowing that it's out.

Tony Teulan
October 21st, 2003, 07:35 AM
Haven't had the chance to see Russian Ark yet, unfortunately, but I will probably straight out buy it on DVD to own as it sounds like a remarkable achievement in filmmaking.

Say what you will about the actual MOVIES on them (and I happen to quite like both in some respects, though more the second one) but two excellent DVDs utilising chapter selection are the ones for Star Wars Episode I & II (and hopefully when the Classic Trilogy gets released it will use the same model)... Episode I has about 50 scenes, Episode II is a similar configuration. Chapters are usually only a few minutes long at the most. This really enables you to go straight to your favourite part and skip the scenes you don't like.

Phantom Menace

1. Opening Logos
2. The Phantom Menace
3. Short Negotiations
4. Queen Armidala
5. Landing on Naboo
6. Jar Jar Binks
7. Otoh Gunga
8. Boss Nass
9. The Planet Core
10. Invasion of Theed

etc

To me, that is excellent. I think chapter length has to vary, there can be no hard and fast rule. For my films, I would probably break them up into thematic changes.

*shrug*