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Phil Bloom
April 16th, 2009, 05:07 PM
I was out all day filming with it. Very impressed. Bit fiddly at times but I kind of expect that from these small cameras, but the image is really good. Will have the video up by Friday night.

In the meantime here is a shot of me filming "guerilla" style. I went out with no tripod, just a baby cinesaddle and the camera.

Jack Walker
April 16th, 2009, 05:45 PM
That little camera and CineSaddle blend right into the sidewalk and surroundings.

The moose size patch of red just above the camera also moves attention away from the lens.

Tim Dashwood
April 16th, 2009, 06:20 PM
You have to go out tonight and shoot with lo-lux at 0dB gain. It's kinda cool.

Matthias Krause
April 16th, 2009, 07:50 PM
Philip,
Can you please please show some meaningful low light footage? Also: Did you get our hands on a production model or is it still a pre-production cam?
Thanks,
Matthias

Justin Terreberry
April 16th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Really looking forward to watching your video.

Andrew Maclaurin
April 17th, 2009, 03:05 AM
i'm really looking forward to your review. i've been reading the posts in dvinfo on the new JVCs and Panasonics and your blog (which is great by the way) and i'm really hoping this is the camera for me. my Sony PD170 just seems old now but i wanted to wait till i really needed HD before changing.
how easy is it to focus with it?
any chance of testing how easy it is to use with your letus?
and of course, like everybody else i want to know how it handles low light!

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 10:38 AM
review almost done.

it was pre production model. Couldnt get much low light footage shot as only had one battery and had to charge that up halfway through the day.

Nice camera

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 10:39 AM
That little camera and CineSaddle blend right into the sidewalk and surroundings.

The moose size patch of red just above the camera also moves attention away from the lens.

tried to look like a tourist!

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 10:40 AM
trying to work out how to convert 720p 50p to 25p in FCP. Any ideas?

done it. used compressor. works well

Matthias Krause
April 17th, 2009, 11:10 AM
It must be "night" in London by now, it MUST be. No? Btw., thanks for taking the time, Philip...

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 11:17 AM
it is still light but only had the camera for a day! It's gone back to JVC

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 11:24 AM
the review part will be graded but there will be chunks of footage shown ungraded

Matthias Krause
April 17th, 2009, 11:42 AM
I was referring to you saying "will have review up Friday n-i-g-h-t" :-) No, I absolutely not impatient...

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 11:43 AM
it will be up...got five hours or so of Friday to go!!

Matthias Krause
April 17th, 2009, 11:53 AM
just teasing, man, just teasing...

Matt San
April 17th, 2009, 11:59 AM
go Phil go - you are the man! :)

We are all waiting baited breath to see if our hopes are realised and this IS the camera of 2009.

Or will you say, as we all are dreading.. "The small sensors just dont cut it in low light"

(I have an EX1 and love it so hoping this will be the ideal smaller/lighter brother for him.. please don't say I have to buy an AVCHD cam.. please don't..)

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 02:24 PM
finished the edit. Sorry there is little low light footage, my battery didn't last.

Converting it and then will upload to XR and Vimeo as well as my blog

Matt San
April 17th, 2009, 03:25 PM
90mins phil... :)

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 04:10 PM
There is no way will make the midnight deadline. Sorry!!

It's converting a 2.41gb file now down to H264 for uploading. So that will take a good two hours for both I think.

I will stay up and get it done. in the meantime I will write my little written review of it.

If anyone can offer a hosting of the full native .mov edit of 2.41gb I can offer that for download too...no way my server will take that sort of bashing!!

Jack Walker
April 17th, 2009, 04:27 PM
Is your last photo in London? Hope so. It would be nice to know you folks are finally learning English.

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 04:30 PM
ah but you notice it is over "Bella Italia". It's part of the restaurant, basically you have to go to "School of English" before you go be a waitress there. Bit harsh methings.

Burbank? What language do you speak there. Isn't that almost Valley speak? ;-)

Phil Bloom
April 17th, 2009, 04:41 PM
Here is the link to the review,

Hopefully the video part will be up by 1am my time.

Hope you like it. Was a lot of work this one!

Philip Bloom Blog Archive Review of JVC GY HM 100. (http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/04/17/review-of-jvc-gy-hm-100/)

ok. Exposure room is saying 3 hours as the file is 550mb. I may have to go to bed...

Matt San
April 17th, 2009, 04:54 PM
BBBBbrilliant - your 1st impressions are exactly what I was hoping for - now awaiting the footage... I got a bottle of plonk in hand so am in a very forgiving mood :) COMEON JVC you can do it..

I soooo want this camera to live up to the hype.. when u said it was actually less noisy than the hm700 my mouth went from pensive to grin :)

... I so hope I agree with Phil on this one....

Phil Bloom
April 18th, 2009, 01:12 AM
Video is now up!!

Steve Mullen
April 18th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Video is now up!!

I thought your video had a "28 Weeks Later" look so I'm wondering if this was what you mean by the "Upgraded ..." tag. I'm hoping the many pale white faces and horribly crushed blacks are not what the camera delivers natively. Here in Vegas we would rush anyone who looked so poorly to hospital. :)

If this look is from the camera itself -- then it's going to face competition from the DSLRs that shoot HD. The Panasonic GH1, for example, delivers a skin tone I've only seen from film -- more yellow-orange based then red-pink based. And, the Canon is far more sensitive with less noise in saturated colors than I saw in your samples.

But, then this is third generation. You can upload second generation x264 (not Apple's horrible codec) directly to an Apple Gallery at 720p.

Loved your using a "concept" for a camcorder review! A nice step forward over the typical here's some stuff I shot with a Glitzo K9. It clearly showed the HM100 could really be used as a tool by someone with talent.

Phil Bloom
April 18th, 2009, 04:01 AM
I thought your video had a "28 Weeks Later" look so I'm wondering if this was what you mean by the "Upgraded ..." tag. I'm hoping the many pale white faces and horribly crushed blacks are not what the camera delivers natively. Here in Vegas we would rush anyone who looked so poorly to hospital. :)

If this look is from the camera itself -- then it's going to face competition from the DSLRs that shoot HD. The Panasonic GH1, for example, delivers a skin tone I've only seen from film -- more yellow-orange based then red-pink based. And, the Canon is far more sensitive with less noise in saturated colors than I saw in your samples.

But, then this is third generation. You can upload second generation x264 (not Apple's horrible codec) directly to an Apple Gallery at 720p.

Loved your using a "concept" for a camcorder review! A nice step forward over the typical here's some stuff I shot with a Glitzo K9. It clearly showed the HM100 could really be used as a tool by someone with talent.

Most of the review was graded with Magic Bullet Looks to give it that guerilla look. The two sections which say are ungraded are the er, ungraded bits. The "mirror mode" was shot on the HVX 200 and the end bits to cam were on the EX3 ungraded.

Glad you liked it!

Colin Rowe
April 18th, 2009, 04:39 AM
Philip, Thanks very much for the review, extremely interesting and innovative. I have arranged a demo of the HM100, as soon as it is released. The only drawback I can see is the price, seems a little high for a cam with 1/4 chips, But hey, its only money. The tapeless workflow, particularely with FCP looks to be a real time saver . Once again thanks for a great review.

Matt San
April 18th, 2009, 07:20 AM
Phil - Maybe Tim Dashwood would host the orginal clip files on here (DVINFO)

worth asking?

Steve Mullen
April 18th, 2009, 07:59 AM
the er, ungraded bits.

Ahhh! Ungraded not upgraded. Makes perfect sense now. Are you coming to Vegas next week?

Phil Bloom
April 18th, 2009, 10:55 AM
yes arriving tomorrow!

Renat Zarbailov
April 19th, 2009, 03:47 AM
Thanks Phil! Very good review!

Too bad there was only a few seconds of battery juice left for the low light...
I am surprised that the chip is actually natively 720 - not 1080. Despite that, it's a little wonder that blows all previous small-factor pro cameras in terms of ease of use and picture quality. Phil, would you recommend to always shoot in 720P to avoid 1920X1080 in-camera upconversion using this cam?

Thanks again!

Keith Moreau
April 19th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Thanks so much Phil, the first usable examples of the HM100 footage I've been able to find.

I want one now.

Matthias Krause
April 19th, 2009, 06:31 PM
Thanks for the review, Philip, finally some footage that gives us a good idea of what we can expect. If you compare the image quality to the XH-A1 or to the Panny 150/170 or Sony Ex1 where does the JVC stand in you opinion? How did you like the focus assist function? Did you give the shot gun that comes with it a try? Any opinion on the camera pre-amps/sound quality it produces?
Thanks,
Matthias

Chuck Fadely
April 19th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Were the shaky bits on the train platform and walking through the dark with the stabilization turned on? It does have stabilization, right?

If it was on, this thing's as bad as my Sony A1U handheld.

I don't know how Canon does it, but the microscopic Vixia HF100 is actually useable handheld with their optical stabilizer.... wish other manufacturers could learn that trick.

Robert Rogoz
April 19th, 2009, 11:35 PM
Thanks for the review. To be honest the picture quality was not earth shattering. At least not enough to fork off 3.5 grand. The deal breakers: lack of wide lens, lack of separate focus/zoom and poor image stabilization (judging by the hand held footage). Sorry, but for this price it should be much better- no sale here, saving for EX1 now.

Steve Cottrell
April 20th, 2009, 12:01 PM
I am sold on the camera and will be ordering one. Phil's review isn't really a review as such - it's a hands-on, first impressions, from-the-gut feeling put to pictures, music and words. It's heavily stylized with Bloom written all over it - and that's a good thing. There will be plenty of reviews in due course where each and every pixel is deconstructed, examined in minute detail, poked and prodded, regurgitated with a sea of detailed numbers. And quite right too, everyone needs a bit of that. But for now, we have Phil's impressions to deal with, and impressive they are. It must say something if the man himself wants one.

I shoot news for UK tv (SD) and would like something really small to use for inaccessible filming locations (mountains etc) where dragging my DSR-450 would be impossible. I'd like to get into the HD workflow, so this camera seems pretty ideal. Phil's impressions pretty much sealed it for me. My criteria: tapeless, small, professional sound input control, small, decent picture, good build quality, did I say small?

I think if you're looking to buy something as a single purchase, a sole camera to use (instead of a 'B' camera) then you might be disappointed. On the other hand I personally would not consider an EX-1. I would consider the HM700, but really I'm hoping that by the time I can ditch the 450, Sony will have the proper shoulder-mounted EX5 out and that will be my main camera :-)

I think the picture quality from the HM100 looks great - these are 1/4 inch sensors! The ungraded pics were super. If it's not wide enough, there's a wide adapter allegedly available. Image stabilization has to be used with care - personally I don't think it was switched on at all in Phil's video - he makes excellent use of the Cinesaddle.

I think the price will come down a bit after 6 months or so. Here in the UK, I would expect about 2200 plus the VAT. But I'm shooting up a mountain in NC next month so will have to bite the bullet. Still sold :-)

Cotty

Robert Rogoz
April 20th, 2009, 08:10 PM
I shoot news for UK tv (SD) and would like something really small to use for inaccessible filming locations (mountains etc) where dragging my DSR-450 would be impossible. I'd like to get into the HD workflow, so this camera seems pretty ideal. Phil's impressions pretty much sealed it for me. My criteria: tapeless, small, professional sound input control, small, decent picture, good build quality, did I say small?
Cotty

I am an owner of JVC GY-HD100 and as far as durability it by far the worst camera I have ever owned. I shoot climbing footage and this camera doesn't even come close to durability of HVX200 or DVX100 by Panasonic. Sony is also tough, not JVC. I had 3 repairs on it, by far JVC has THE WORST customer support ever! (Mr Yanagi- are you listening?). On the other hand Sony was just the opposite, so don't count on quick help if you have a brake down.

David Parks
April 20th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Very very nice and entertaining to boot. It would be great to see the HM 100 and 700 intercut into a sequence.

Thanks for the review.

Steve Cottrell
April 21st, 2009, 07:33 AM
I am an owner of JVC GY-HD100 and as far as durability it by far the worst camera I have ever owned. I shoot climbing footage and this camera doesn't even come close to durability of HVX200 or DVX100 by Panasonic. Sony is also tough, not JVC. I had 3 repairs on it, by far JVC has THE WORST customer support ever! (Mr Yanagi- are you listening?). On the other hand Sony was just the opposite, so don't count on quick help if you have a brake down.

Interesting - I have no experience of JVC's professional products, or their customer support. Here in the UK, I deal with professional equipment dealers and any follow up (including warranty work) is done through them. I've never spoken to anyone any customer support for my kit except the Anton Bauer techies at Vinten House. Never a need. I appreciate your sentiment though, thanks.

Cotty

Michael Lafleur
April 21st, 2009, 09:31 AM
Steve,

I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that many of us who have owned and used JVC’s GY-HD100 for the past 4 years have had much better experiences than Robert has with his camera. I have personally had mine fall off a tripod from shoulder height as well as knocked over while on a tripod, both times onto hard surfaces, and have been amazed that all it suffered was relatively minor external damage (cracked handle and shattered viewfinder housing – less than $500 Canadian in total). Moreover, both my dealer (HMV) and JVC Canada have be more than quick to process any warranty repairs or upgrades when needed. With the exception of a few dead pixels, which were easily repaired, I have nothing but good things to say about the HD100’s reliability.

I have already pre-ordered my HM100 and can only say that Phil Bloom’s ungraded footage looks stunning to me. In a few weeks, I am heading off to Africa for a month to film a doc and the compact form factor, tapeless SDHC recording format, and pro audio features make it the perfect camera for such a project. I am more that willing to live with its apparently modest low-light performance and fully expect that JVC will stand solidly behind this new camera as they have with their other products.

I am hoping to visit friends in the Lake District again this summer and am looking forward to being able to capture its beauty with the HM100 and enjoy it’s travel-friendly form factor.

Cheers!

Michael Lafleur

Colin Rowe
April 21st, 2009, 09:32 AM
Thanks very much for the review Philip. It had made my mind up, subject to a hefty demo session, when it is released. I think we may be making a little to much of the low light perfomance of the HM 100. I shoot Weddings, and have done so since 1982. In all those years I have never had a problem with low light in a church, even with the tube cameras of the early 80s, when 30 lux rating was thought to be good. A few days ago, out of interest I took my Canon XH-A1 and HV30 to our local church. The church is extremely dark, and to my suprise the little HV30 delivered far cleaner pictures than the XH-A1. Both cameras were hooked up, via component, to a 42 inch Panasonic HD plasma. The XH-A1 needed 12db gain to get a decent picture inside the church, ( I normally never go above 6db). The noise, on screen was very prominent, compared to the HV30. Now if the HV30 can give a more than exceptable picture, under such adverse conditions, I am hoping that the HM 100 can do better. Time will tell, it is going to be interesting testing this little fella out.

Pavel Sedlak
April 27th, 2009, 03:11 PM
Colin, try with XH-A1 this custom preset (for lowlight with +12dB gain):
gam1, kne L, BLK M, PED -2, SET -3, SHP 0, HDF M (!), DHV 0(!), COR 2, NR1 0, NR2 L, CMX1, CGN 12 CPH -1, rest 0.

It is brighter than GAM normal +6dB, but there is less noise than GAM normal +12dB.

HV20 has CMOS, not CCD.

GY-HM100 looks very goog, but my XH-A1 must make some work, I think .-) .