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Jack Walker
May 24th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Here is a link to a .7x wide-angle converter made by 16x9 that is for the HM100.
16x9 Inc. | EX 0.7X WIDE CONVERTER f/JVC HM-100 | 169-HD7X-HM100 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/621713-REG/16x9_Inc__169_HD7X_HM100_EX_0_7X_WIDE_CONVERTER.html)

Has anyone tried this? It appears this may be the same one that is sold for the Sony HVR-V1U & HDR-FX7, but I don't know.

Note: Century will have one or two adapters/converters (not sure which) within a couple of weeks for the HM100. The Century ones are units in stock that are being setup to mount on the HM100. The possible sizes are .55x and .65x I think, but I'm not sure.

Matthias Krause
May 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM
They are surely asking a pretty penny... I have the JVC adapter but didn´t have time to put it through the paces yet.

Steve Cottrell
May 24th, 2009, 05:50 PM
Here is a link to a .7x wide-angle converter made by 16x9 that is for the HM100.
16x9 Inc. | EX 0.7X WIDE CONVERTER f/JVC HM-100 | 169-HD7X-HM100 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/621713-REG/16x9_Inc__169_HD7X_HM100_EX_0_7X_WIDE_CONVERTER.html)

Has anyone tried this? It appears this may be the same one that is sold for the Sony HVR-V1U & HDR-FX7, but I don't know.

Note: Century will have one or two adapters/converters (not sure which) within a couple of weeks for the HM100. The Century ones are units in stock that are being setup to mount on the HM100. The possible sizes are .55x and .65x I think, but I'm not sure.

Thanks for the link and info. I got the JVC .7x wide-angle converter with my HM-100 and it does work very well - no issues with it except a teeny bit fuzzy when zoomed right in, nothing serious. To be honest, I got it to use at the wide end - if I want telephoto I take it off...

Very interested if Century are making a .55x I would probably go for that - one can never get too wide ;-)

Cotty

Robert Rogoz
May 25th, 2009, 10:32 PM
There is a ton of 46mm wide angle lens converters on the market for still cameras (like Panasonic DMW-LW46, which costs something like $126. Don't spend your hard earned cash on hype.

Keith Moreau
May 26th, 2009, 01:12 AM
In fact I had a couple Nikon WC-E68's that I had for some CoolPix digital cameras and they have a 46mm thread and the glass is pretty nice. I'm going to test it out. For now I'm going to hold off on investing in a wide converter until I test some of the less expensive options.

Kaushik Parmar
May 26th, 2009, 07:47 AM
There is a ton of 46mm wide angle lens converters on the market for still cameras (like Panasonic DMW-LW46, which costs something like $126. Don't spend your hard earned cash on hype.

Indeed, you are right they do not work! Only we have to buy genuine accesories!

Jack Walker
May 26th, 2009, 11:52 AM
In fact I had a couple Nikon WC-E68's that I had for some CoolPix digital cameras and they have a 46mm thread and the glass is pretty nice. I'm going to test it out. For now I'm going to hold off on investing in a wide converter until I test some of the less expensive options.
Does the Nikon WC-E68 fit on the HM100? (on the set back threads?)
Does it work through the entire zoom range?
How are the coatings on this converter?

Keith Moreau
May 26th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Does the Nikon WC-E68 fit on the HM100? (on the set back threads?)
Does it work through the entire zoom range?
How are the coatings on this converter?

It has 46mm threads so it screws right onto the set back threads right in front of the lens with the lens hood removed.

I haven't had a chance to really test it at all, so I can't attest to the image quality. Initial results are that it does zoom through fine. I don't know about the multi-coatings, etc on it. It's a pretty inexpensive lens, even when new, but it got great reviews as a good buy when it came out for the Coolpix series. I've used it on my Coolpix 5400 for timelapse photography extensively. I'll get back here with some results when I have them.

Robert Rogoz
May 28th, 2009, 08:55 AM
Keith, did you have a chance to test the lens yet?

Shaun Walker
May 30th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Is the 16x9 .7X wide a zoom through?

Kajito Nagib
May 30th, 2009, 07:24 PM
I just noticed this on B&H for $215.
JVC | GL-V0746U Wide Conversion Lens | GL-V0746USP | B&H Photo (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/617919-REG/JVC_GL_V0746USP_GL_V0746U_Wide_Conversion_Lens.html)

Matthias Krause
May 30th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Adorama sells it for $189...

Kajito Nagib
July 14th, 2009, 01:15 PM
I need to buy a wide angle lens converters for my HM100. Could someone explain to me the difference between the 16x9 Inc. 169-HD7X-HM100 0.7 Wide Angle Converter Lens 16x9 Inc. | 169-HD7X-HM100 0.7 Wide Angle | 169-HD7X-HM100 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/621713-REG/16x9_Inc__169_HD7X_HM100_169_HD7X_HM100_0_7_Wide_Angle.html) and the GL-V0746U Wide Conversion Lens?
B&H Kit Info (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=details_accessories&A=kitInfo&Q=&sku=617919&is=REG&friendly=JVC_GL_V0746USP_GL_V0746U_Wide_Conversion_Lens.html)

Also has Century already come out with a new adapters/converters for the HM100?

Robert Rogoz
July 14th, 2009, 02:19 PM
The difference I see between 16x9 and JVC converters is 16x9 has a front lens thread. This will allow you to attache filters and a light matte box without a need for rails.
I bought Nikon WC-E68 for $35 and $8 rubber lens hood, rigged lens good onto the converter and call it good. I think Nikon has superior glass to jvc or 16x9 anyway.

Tim Nielsen
July 21st, 2009, 01:15 PM
I couldn't find anywhere what the thread size is for the 'front' of the Nikon .7 adapter. I'd like to add a lens hood, but not sure what the thread size is.

But I've been using it, and it's been working great. Zoom feels a tad soft at the fully zoomed out end of the travel, but seems sharp otherwise, and no vignetting that I'm seeing on full wide. I got mine on eBay for $45 shipped, certainly a much better deal than the $200 JCV one!

Tim

Robert Rogoz
July 21st, 2009, 06:01 PM
Tim there is no front end tread on Nikon WC-E68, hence the need to rig something up. I bought a 68 mm rubber hood and just glued it to the outside of the converter.
Most of these converters have glass element sticking forward, so you can't place even a bayonet filter on the front.
The most ridiculous thing is that if you charge 200 or 300 bucks I would supply a lens hood (which btw you can manufacture for pennies) with the converter lens.

Kajito Nagib
July 26th, 2009, 06:54 PM
Here is a link to a .7x wide-angle converter made by 16x9 that is for the HM100.
16x9 Inc. | EX 0.7X WIDE CONVERTER f/JVC HM-100 | 169-HD7X-HM100 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/621713-REG/16x9_Inc__169_HD7X_HM100_EX_0_7X_WIDE_CONVERTER.html)

Has anyone tried this?

I just got mine. My only complaint is that it is a little too heavy for me. (19.4 oz)
The front end of the camera dips downward because of the weight. This shouldn't be a problem if it is on a tripod but hand held is another story. Does anyone know if the GL-V0746U Wide Conversion Lens from JVC is any lighter?

John McDonald
August 10th, 2009, 05:08 AM
"My only complaint is that it is a little too heavy for me. (19.4 oz) The front end of the camera dips downward because of the weight."

I'm glad you mentioned that as I was wondering about that. I've had problems with lens breaking the threads under duress.

What to do? I need a wide angel lens that takes filters that isn't too heavy......

Kajito Nagib
August 10th, 2009, 04:26 PM
I returned the 16X9 wide converter it was just too heavy for me. I placed an order for the JVC wide angle lens with B&H 3 weeks ago still waiting. Hopefully it will be lighter.

Roger Baudet
August 15th, 2009, 08:30 AM
Is 16/9 Inc wide angle better than JVC wide angle ?

As anything tested it ?

John McDonald
August 19th, 2009, 09:27 AM
I have one on order and now need to get some (82mm?) filters for it - can anybody suggest good brands? I will mostly be filming outdoors in difficult conditions.

Hoya and B+W do slim line filters I believe for wide angles lens I blieve?

Roger Baudet
August 20th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Yes, I am now the 16/9 Inc wide angle.
Its very very very heavy.
But its very very very good !
I am very happy to have it !

Brandon Puet
August 21st, 2009, 09:06 PM
Kajito, did you get your JVC lens? They seem to be backordered everywhere

Kajito Nagib
August 21st, 2009, 09:46 PM
Kajito, did you get your JVC lens? They seem to be backordered everywhere
it's been almost a month since i placed the order and still waiting:-(

Robert Adams
August 25th, 2009, 08:48 AM
They are surely asking a pretty penny... I have the JVC adapter but didn´t have time to put it through the paces yet.\

For a zoom through 0.7 convertor? That's about half what I'd expect to pay. USD379 is a really good price - if the optics are up to it. But as has been noted many times on this board, in optics, the price/quality graph is a straight line one.

Roger Baudet
August 25th, 2009, 09:29 AM
I have now receive the 16/9 Inc 07x for HM100.

Its a very good optic but a little heavy.

3 pictures herre : the difference of colour is just cause by the sun

Left : no wide angle, right : with wide angle

Zoom "télé" :
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20grand.jpg

Zoom "medium"
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20moyen.jpg

Zoom "wide angle angle"
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20large.jpg

Roger Baudet
August 27th, 2009, 02:42 AM
This is the HM100 with 16/9 Inc 0.7x wide angle and hood. The light is a LPMICRO LITE PANEL and the mic. is an Audiotechnica AT835ST stereo.

http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-1.jpg
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-2.jpg
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-3.jpg

John McDonald
August 27th, 2009, 05:22 AM
Roger, is that a 16x9 brand hood? Would you be able to let me know the part number/where to order etc?

Many thanks!

Matthias Krause
August 27th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Roger, how do you handle the big fat shadow you get from your dead cat?

Roger Baudet
August 27th, 2009, 10:22 AM
Roger, is that a 16x9 brand hood? Would you be able to let me know the part number/where to order etc?

Many thanks!

Here :

16x9 Inc. | 169-HU-85 Rubber Lens Shade for | 169-HU-85 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/533063-REG/16x9_Inc__169_HU_85_169_HU_85_Rubber_Lens_Shade.html)

Tom Hardwick
August 27th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Although it's called a 16x9 hood Roger, I actually think it's 4:3 in aspect ratio. Can you confirm or deny this please?

Roger Baudet
August 28th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Although it's called a 16x9 hood Roger, I actually think it's 4:3 in aspect ratio. Can you confirm or deny this please?


Yes, it's 4:3 aspect ratio

Roger Baudet
August 28th, 2009, 03:43 AM
New picture with and without 16/9 Inc 0.7x wide angle :

Zoom "télé", without 16/9 Inc
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-4.jpg

Zoom "télé", with 16/9 Inc
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-5.jpg[

Zoom "Wide", without 16/9 Inc
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-6.jpg

Zoom "wide", with 16/9 Inc
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/HM100-7.jpg[

Tom Hardwick
August 28th, 2009, 06:10 AM
Yes, it's 4:3 aspect ratio

Barmy. Who shoots in 4:3 these days? And if you bothered to buy, fit and use a hood, why sacrifice some efficiency by having it the wrong shape?

Kajito Nagib
September 10th, 2009, 11:10 AM
it's been almost a month since i placed the order and still waiting:-(

just had an online chat with one of the JVC sales rep he told me that the expected date from JVC wide angle lens came and passed, and they didn't receive anything yet. I placed an order on 7/27. Just wanted to give anyone intrested the heads up.

Sam Young
September 10th, 2009, 09:34 PM
I was able to buy the JVC wide angle lens along with the HM 100 in Hong Kong a week ago, I guess HK hasn't run out yet.

Brandon Puet
September 24th, 2009, 10:07 PM
The JVC wide angle lens just got back in stock at B&H. Anyone know of any filters or any type of protection for this lens?

Robert Rogoz
September 25th, 2009, 01:25 AM
The JVC wide angle lens just got back in stock at B&H. Anyone know of any filters or any type of protection for this lens?
You are joking about filters? As it was said (even in this thread) there is nothing to attach filters to on a converter! No sun hood either. This converter is just the same as from GZ7 consumer model from a couple of years ago.

Tom Hardwick
September 25th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Anyone know of any filters or any type of protection for this lens?

Yes, best protection is to wrap it in cling-film with a couple of sachets of silica-gel and keep it at home.

Best way to use it? Unfiltered, fitted straight onto the camera's zoom, using an aspect ratio shadowed lens hood.

tom.

Dylan Allen
October 14th, 2009, 11:05 AM
I'm about to buy the Nikon Lens Convertor and I wanted to know if there is any barrel distortion from it. I'll be using the lens for real estate shoots and am trying to avoid " bent " walls.

Tom Hardwick
October 14th, 2009, 11:53 AM
You don't say what camera you're going to use the Nikon lens on, or whether it's a zoom through or not. I'll take an educated guess and say yes, you'll have barrel distortion all right, simply because most camcorder zooms barrel distort right out of the box.

Sam Young
October 15th, 2009, 08:11 AM
Even with the JVC WA lens, there is definitely distortion, hello bent walls!

Steve Cottrell
October 15th, 2009, 08:55 AM
Thanks for the link and info. I got the JVC .7x wide-angle converter with my HM-100 and it does work very well - no issues with it except a teeny bit fuzzy when zoomed right in, nothing serious. To be honest, I got it to use at the wide end - if I want telephoto I take it off...

Cotty

Further to my original quote up there about the JVC wide angle adapter....having used it a lot now (lives on the camera), I'm actually pretty disappointed in it. My biggest problem is the amount of dust *inside* the unit - actually between the elements. Outside in bright sunlight is always a problem with the camera lens stopped down, allowing minute dust specs to seemingly pop into focus! Even using a lens hood and with the front element in shade, I can still pick out the odd dust speck. Check this yourself - mount the wide angle, go to manual focus, swing the focus ring so you're focussing literally onto the front element, and then literally *behind* the front element and watch all the spots - if anything like mine it's a blooming snow blizzard. Very disappointed in that. Definitely not on the front or rear elements, it's inside. For a sealed unit that doesn't breathe, that's poor workmanship. I will be looking for a replacement....

In case you're wondering, the lens hood is one I made using the hood from a Canon XH series camera, mated to a Cavision hood mount, adapted. Works great with the wide angle adapter, but hey, had to make it myself - what does that say about JVC?

Steve Cottrell
October 15th, 2009, 09:07 AM
I have now receive the 16/9 Inc 07x for HM100.

Its a very good optic but a little heavy.

3 pictures herre : the difference of colour is just cause by the sun

Left : no wide angle, right : with wide angle

Zoom "télé" :
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20grand.jpg

Zoom "medium"
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20moyen.jpg

Zoom "wide angle angle"
http://www.darktab.net/~rbaudet/public/Mix%20large.jpg


Roger, how's that 16x9 WA adapter in terms of interior dust? If you hold up to a bright light source and look through either end, any specs inside? Much? None? Appreciate it, Cotty.

Paul Shapiro
October 15th, 2009, 09:35 AM
I'm not Roger, but I can answer that question: speckless.

Steve Cottrell
October 15th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Thanks.

I came across a mint Nikon WC-E68 so have nabbed that to try. If it performs better than the JVC, I will eekbay the JVC.

Tom Hardwick
October 16th, 2009, 12:41 AM
I had two Cavision wide-angle converters that had dust inside them, sent them both back. Bit it does go to show that when you're shooting at such short focal lengths there's the need to use good hoods, to keep the elements spotless, to use wide apertures and jettison any filters.

Steve Cottrell
October 17th, 2009, 03:19 AM
Thanks.

I came across a mint Nikon WC-E68 so have nabbed that to try. If it performs better than the JVC, I will eekbay the JVC.

The Nikon WC-E68 is worse than the JVC adapter, and better than the JVC adapter.

Worse than because the CA at the end of the bottle is shocking. Better than because the size is nice, it's slightly wider than the JVC, and the build quality is excellent with no dust inside.

Sigh. Nikon on the left, JVC on the right.

I might send the JVC off to be disassembled and cleaned.


Many thanks.

John McDonald
October 20th, 2009, 01:09 PM
I finally got around to trying the 16x9 WAL I bought for my HM100 as linked to at the start of the thread (from B&H).

But I couldn't get it on(!).

The threads never seemed to catch and I was worried about pushing it in. Any chance they have sent me the wrong thread size or does it just take a bit more bravery than I displayed?

Paul Shapiro
October 20th, 2009, 01:35 PM
It's a bit fiddly, but mine fits okay -- it seems to require more patience than pressure. If you're having to force it, then something isn't right. Might you have damaged the HM-100's 46mm threads with something else, such as a filter? Does the 16x9 fit onto a filter itself? And do other filters fit okay onto the cam? That would prove which part was the problem.