Hello
I have a Pentium Duo Core 2.4 and I believe it's one of the reason why I have problem rendering a 75' time line.
I'm thinking about updating my machine, either with a Q 9550 or with an I7 920. Has anybody had any experience with either one? Is is worth the $ 400+ extra to go the I7 road since I need new MB and Ram?
Thanks
Larry

I upgraded from a Q6600 to an i7 920 and it was worth every penny. I haven't heard of anyone being disppointed with it.

Hello
I have a Pentium Duo Core 2.4 and I believe it's one of the reason why I have problem rendering a 75' time line.
I'm thinking about updating my machine, either with a Q 9550 or with an I7 920. Has anybody had any experience with either one? Is is worth the $ 400+ extra to go the I7 road since I need new MB and Ram?
Thanks
Larry

From what I have heard, you will love the i7 especially if working on HD. SD renders of 75 minute timelines are supposed to be in the 10-15 minute range. Yeah. That would take me 4-6hours (depending on 2 pass MPEG2 or not).

I hear what you both said, but right now a 9550 was $ 229 and I just couldn't resist the easiness to just pop up a CPU and put another one there. I'll built a I 7 rig later
Thanks for your input
Larry

Hello
I have a Pentium Duo Core 2.4 and I believe it's one of the reason why I have problem rendering a 75' time line.
I'm thinking about updating my machine, either with a Q 9550 or with an I7 920. Has anybody had any experience with either one? Is is worth the $ 400+ extra to go the I7 road since I need new MB and Ram?
Thanks
Larry

Last Fall I built a new rig with the Q9550. Works great for editing/rendering HD, but not as well as the i7920, I'm sure. The price on the Q9550 has dropped significantly, so if you don't want cutting edge components...

Steve

EDIT: just saw your last post while I wrote mine. Good luck!

I upgraded from a Q6600 to an i7 920 and it was worth every penny. I haven't heard of anyone being disppointed with it.

What is minimum price would would have to pay to build an i7 920 box right now?

For me it was easy,
$ 284 for the I7 920 processor
$ 280 for the motherboard
$ $ 110 for 3x 2 GB of DDR3 RAM

Vs $ 229 ( no tax and free shipping ) for a Q 9550.

I compared the Benchmark between the A9550 and the I7 920 and frankly, not worth it.
Now, if you compare the I7 975 with the Q 9550 then, yes, it's a dramatic improvement. But we're now talking of a price of more than $ 1000 for the I7 975.
Upgrading to I7, YES, but as long as you're talking I7 975. I really don't see the point of going with the I7 920 vs Q 9550. If you're building a new system, sure, but I was not right now and I just can't justify paying 1000 grand for a processor right now
Larry

The i7 920 easily overclocks to 3.8 with stock cooling. Overclocking is the point of the i7 920, not it's base speed. You change five settings on the Asus P6T and you're done.

You're getting basically faster performance than the $1k processor at less than half the price.

I've had 60 minute projects render in 10-11 minutes, and the Q9550 cannot begin to touch that. It has 8 effective cores, the Q9550 has 4.

So basically Intel is selling a processor, the I7 975 at more than $ 1000 knowing that another processor, the 920 that goes for $284 can actually do the same thing? Why?
From what I've read on Anandtech and Tom's Hardware, the benchmark test between the Q9550 and the 920 are not that huge, but you're saying that actually we just need to buy the 920 and make it be a 975 and same 700 bucks? Wow! What's wrong with Intel?

Recently went from a Q9550 Quadcore to a i7 Core 920....
Render times are as follows:

Concert footage filmed with Canon HG10 and HG21 (AVCHD) 1Hr 40 Minutes..(Rendered to Mpeg 2 DVD, as well as Mpeg 2 Blu-ray Disc....

Q9550 2.8Ghz Quadcore, 8Gig DDR2, Vista 64Bit Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 2Hrs 15 Minutes

i7Core 920 2.67, 6Gig DDR3, Vista 64Bit, Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 1Hr 10 Minutes

Q9550 2.8Ghz Quadcore, 8Gig DDR2, Vista 64Bit Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 2Hrs 15 Minutes
i7Core 920 2.67, 6Gig DDR3, Vista 64Bit, Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 1Hr 10 Minutes

Hard to argue with a doubling in render speed. I wonder what the differencial woudl be with my speedy P4 3GHz or my Athlon 64 X2. :-)

Larry, it is no secret as to the overclocking abilities of the 920. Intel knows it, everyone knows it. The boards made for the chips are also designed to take advantage of the OCing ability of the chip.

the 970 does not do the same thing. It overclocks to even higher speeds at lower temps. You cannot OC the 920 beyond 3.8 without stock cooling, the 970 you can easily hit 4.2, nearly impossible for the 920.

As far as benchmarks, you may have missed the video section of the benchmarks. That is where the 920 excels. In other areas it is not that much better.

The faster versions overclock even easier and have unlocked multipliers to allow for fine tuning.

This processor was the subject of a long thread many months ago and every single user that jumped on the 920 was floored by its improved efficiency for video.

Its not neccesary for everyone. I am a professional videographer/editor and I use one PC and only one, so speed is important to me, as I often have many jobs waiting to be edited. If I spot a mistake after rendering, for example, I can re-render in no time, that is where the speed helps.

Actually I've just found those video benchmarks, and yes it might be actually worth to upgrade soon for me. Anyway, I'm in the middle of editing a film, as soon as I'm done with it I'll build a new rig around the I7 processor.

Actually Larry, since you just invested in a new processor, you might consider looking into the next generation of processors, which I believe are coming out this coming winter. They might smoke the i7, as they are a whole new platform.

Something to think about, anyway.

Recently went from a Q9550 Quadcore to a i7 Core 920....
Render times are as follows:

Concert footage filmed with Canon HG10 and HG21 (AVCHD) 1Hr 40 Minutes..(Rendered to Mpeg 2 DVD, as well as Mpeg 2 Blu-ray Disc....

Q9550 2.8Ghz Quadcore, 8Gig DDR2, Vista 64Bit Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 2Hrs 15 Minutes

i7Core 920 2.67, 6Gig DDR3, Vista 64Bit, Vegas 8 Pro- Rendered in 1Hr 10 Minutes

Your Q9550 setup basically the same as my current setup. That is an impressive rendering time. I may upgrade before the end of summer.

Any quad core CPU (Core 2, Phenom, i7 or Phenom II) will offer a huge performance increase over a Pentium dual core CPU. Pentium dual core CPUs are the lowest performance multicore CPUs on the totem pole (even Athlon 64 X2s will significantly outperform them).

I wouldn't rule out AMD's Phenoms. The lower prices on Phenoms, along with availability of low cost motherboards, with on-board graphics that can be quite adequate for most HD editing purposes (a more expensive graphics card won't really give you any better performance running Vegas), makes for competitive alternatives on a tight budget.

Jeff you mentioned a new processor coming just one year after the I7? WHere did you read that? I just don't find anything about that?

"Sandy Bridge" is Intel's next generation CPU. We may see "Sandy Bridge" sometime in 2010. One thing you can count on, is there's always a newer, faster, better processor over the next hill.

"Sandy Bridge" is Intel's next generation CPU. We may see "Sandy Bridge" sometime in 2010. One thing you can count on, is there's always a newer, faster, better processor over the next hill.

And you can also guarantee that Intel's new chip will NOT be backwards compatible with previous motherboards. AMD has always been much more kind to system upgraders. Given that their current line of chips, from the M2, M2+, M3, etc are all the same pins, and can have the newer chips placed in older MoBos (with bios updates) and still give you a speed boost. Intel on the other hand, almost always releases a new chipset, socket, AND a new CPU in a single wave so that P4 cannot have a Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Duo cannot have i7, etc etc.

I'm going to have to forget about the Q9550, it is NOT supported by my ASUS board which is a P5W DH deluxe. That board doesn't handle well 45 architecture. I've messed up with the new processor for three days, pulled out a lot of my hair messing up with BIOS etc. I've put the old one, new one is going back to NEWEGG and I'm going to update either I7 road of the other one.
The sad thing for me is I wouldn't really need to update if Vegas 7e would be able to render my 75 minute long time line. It just can't and I assume my Intel E 6600 ( duo core 2.4) is not up to it. Or is it?
Larry

I'm going to have to forget about the Q9550, it is NOT supported by my ASUS board which is a P5W DH deluxe. That board doesn't handle well 45 architecture. I've messed up with the new processor for three days, pulled out a lot of my hair messing up with BIOS etc. I've put the old one, new one is going back to NEWEGG and I'm going to update either I7 road of the other one.
The sad thing for me is I wouldn't really need to update if Vegas 7e would be able to render my 75 minute long time line. It just can't and I assume my Intel E 6600 ( duo core 2.4) is not up to it. Or is it?
Larry

Duo core is virtually the same chip as a P4, which is not an improvement.

The Intel chip lineage is as follows: P4HT, Duo Core, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, i7

You should be able to pop a Q6600 or Q6700 in that board. You can pick up either, used, for well under $200 nowadays (on America's largest auction site). That would give you a huge boost in CPU power (from your current CPU).

Yes, apparently the Q6600 should work. I'm just afraid to change processor and face huge problem. there is always something going on and I'm in the middle of a project right now, but as it is now VEGAS 7 doesn't seem to be able to render 8 minutes of NEO HDV right now, with no JPEG in the time line, not stills at all. It has to be my processor?

Won't render at all?...or do you mean it's simply way too slow?

Btw, if you get a used Kentsfield, you might as well go for a Q6700 (roughly 10% faster than a Q6600). They seem to be auctioning off for almost the same cost.

Not to sway too much away from the thread, but are there any hardware based rendering cards that speed up rendering that work w/ Vegas?

Its seems like most of them are for H264 and for CS4/Final Cut...

I'd like to stay w/ Vegas but its tempting to see all of the goodies for the other programs.

Not to sway too much away from the thread, but are there any hardware based rendering cards that speed up rendering that work w/ Vegas?

Nope. A faster processor is the only way to speed things up in Vegas.

Robert, it crashes at some point, everything freezes.
I'm doing tonight a test. I'm going to select the area to be rendered, just the video stream ready to go to architect and see how it goes. Right now it says it's going to take 13 hours. THAT IS CRAZY!
I'm going to try to get one of those Q6700

Robert, it crashes at some point, everything freezes.
I'm doing tonight a test. I'm going to select the area to be rendered, just the video stream ready to go to architect and see how it goes. Right now it says it's going to take 13 hours. THAT IS CRAZY!
I'm going to try to get one of those Q6700

If you're getting lots of crashes, you've got more problems than just a really slow CPU. How much memory is in the machine?

Newegg has a combo deal for a 3GHz Phenom II and motherboard. At $209.99, it could be a better alternative than popping a Q6600 or Q6700 in your current motherboard (would only cost about $50 more). A Phenom II 940 will outperform a Q6700. Also, the motherboard (in the combo) has on-board ATI graphics that support HD codec acceleration for playback (quite adequate for most HD editing purposes). You could either use your old video card, or use the on-board graphics (which might outperform your current video card - depending on what it is). I assume your current memory is DDR2, and if so you wouldn't need new memory (although that's cheap as dirt anyway - less than $40 will get you 4 gigs of good quality DDR2 memory).

Newegg Phenom II 940 and Motherboard Combo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.205339)

Cheap, good quality DDR2 memory, if needed:

Newegg.com - Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PVS24G6400LLKN - Desktop Memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220335)