View Full Version : EX3 Rental: Costly  lesson 
 
William Griffin June 19th, 2009, 06:08 PM Today I got my EX3  back from a local rental house who rented  it out for  a  day....and when I looked it over.. I saw that the cheek pad was broken off.  They told me that  the end client would cover it and they, the rental house, are sure that it would not  cost that much to replace it.  
 
What  bugs me is that  the rental client   said nothing about the damage  when they brought the  camera back this morning. After they left, the  rental manager looked over  the camera   and  saw the damage...then called  the client at once  and  they told him:  "we were hoping you would not  notice it"....but  since its all plastic, it should not cost  that much  and we will pay for it".....let us know the price". They have closed  for the day. 
 
Well, Sony strike's back again..as I  called Sony Parts  and  to my surprise, that little plastic  cheek pad is  $115.37....... 
 
So the moral of the story..... 
 
1)"be careful  what you break, especially if  its a Sony part" 
2)"be truthful about what you break, as when  Monday morning comes...the surprise they are getting....is  the bill  for the part...." 
 
HTH  
Jason Davenport June 19th, 2009, 07:44 PM Then charge them double, so they might learn to be more careful next time, plus your inconvenience.  
Ed Kukla June 19th, 2009, 08:45 PM Remember the saying..."It's a rental, don't be gentle". 
 
Just say no to rentals, it isn't worth it in the long run. What else did they do to your camera that isn't so easily detected?  
Scott Hayes June 19th, 2009, 09:00 PM dude, this is why i never rent my stuff out.  there a VERY FEW select people in town I know I can trust, anyone else, can call someone else to rent EX series cameras.  i agree charge them double  
Barry J. Anwender June 19th, 2009, 09:01 PM If that is the best they could come up with for an excuse, then I'd surely be insisting on a damage deposit before renting it again.  At this point, you have no assurance that they will pay for the damage, especially at the quoted value.  Good luck on your recovery.  
William Griffin June 19th, 2009, 10:08 PM Thanks for your  input...I have  done business  with the  rental company since 1989  and I know the owner and the manager  real well,  besides we are  "patting"  each others  back as they were  going to buy a EX3 for the company last  January...but when the  economy went South and I told them that I was going to buy out  a fellow cameraman,  who had the camera....we came up with a cross  renting deal.  
 
As  my EX3 is under a bank loan for the next 2 years (using my brothers CD bank account as collateral)...so it has to make money in some  way. The manager told me this afternoon that...."I will make it right", as the  camera  has picked up more rental  business in the past few  weeks....and  its  under their  insurance. 
 
The other  stuff done to the camera....all the settings  and picture  profiles  were changed...which is what I expected....But I do hear  what all of you are  saying....Years ago I would never  rented  out my betacam to anyone, but these  times  today  are  very strange...... 
 
thanks  
Warren Kawamoto June 20th, 2009, 03:46 AM The cheek pad came off?  I wonder how that happened?  Maybe they dropped the camera, hoping nobody would notice that the lens is out of alignment too!  You better check the camera from top to bottom, in and out.  
Bob Grant June 20th, 2009, 07:44 AM One of our rented out cameras was taken through a car wash. I jest not. 
The none to bright people using it neglected to delete the clips from the second card. 
We could see the water running down the front of the 486 filter and I'm suspecting the strong detergent used in the car wash has damaged the filter.  
Despite the washing the camera continues to work flawlessly.  
Paul Cascio June 20th, 2009, 10:51 AM When you consider that a daily rental rate is usually about 1/15th -1/10th the value of the camera, I'd say it's well worth the risk.  
Bob Grant June 20th, 2009, 03:54 PM When you consider that a daily rental rate is usually about 1/15th -1/10th the value of the camera, I'd say it's well worth the risk. 
 
Please tell me where anyone can get 10% of the purchase price as the daily rental on a camera. Local rates are under 3% for cameras, more durable kit such as lights and grips around 2%.  
Glynn Albert June 20th, 2009, 04:06 PM The EX series are between 6-8 grand. A 15th of my EX3 at 8300 is $550. This guy was lucky if he made $250. Here in LA the price is about $250 or less if you find a sucker.  
 
$250 is the standard rate and thats like 1/30of the value, and that is a lot exposure. I rent my gear but go with it as a camera assistant. If I don't like the usage I address it before the problem occurs (usually).  
Jason Davenport June 20th, 2009, 04:38 PM $250.00 for a rental. Yikes what a saturated market.  
Daniel Epstein June 20th, 2009, 06:17 PM In NY I recently rented an EX-3 for $275. At 10000 for camera with bag a couple of cards etc  that is still about a 37 Day to pay off rate for the camera. In the old days we would rate Betacams at about 100 days payoff. Of course they were a little more durable but had more repair and maintenance costs. The DVX and HVX -200 style cameras seemed to break the 1/100 th rental number in the market which meant buying a bunch of smaller cameras might have been a better investment than 1 larger camera. Of course the justification for a faster payoff on the gear is the prime rental lifetime of the cameras has gotten shorter than it used to be.  
Jason Davenport June 20th, 2009, 08:43 PM Very True.  
Joe Lawry June 21st, 2009, 01:46 AM The amount of money i make renting my EX1 and HVX kits out is insane, they've both paid for themselves twice over just on rentals alone.  
 
All rental clients sign a contract agreeing to be liable for all replacement, repair or insurance costs if the gear comes back in a worse condition than how it left. 
 
I also make sure i know exactly where the gear will be being used, what they are filming and who will be operating it.  
 
Getting a good rental agreement written up is very important. However despite having this in place i still dont just rent to anyone.  
Chris Clifton June 21st, 2009, 12:52 PM I've paid for my cameras many times over with rentals to local, knowledgeable cameramen.  I only rent to out-of-towners if I'm on the shoot as AC or sound or downloader.  And I sleep well at night with replacement insurance through NPPA.org, which every camera owner should have whether you rent it out or not.  Peace of mind goes a long way.  By the way, EX3's fetch $375/day in Texas.  
Jason Davenport June 21st, 2009, 09:57 PM whoops..................  
Leonard Levy June 22nd, 2009, 12:28 AM 1.  Don't rent to people unless they are insured. 
 
2. The response of the rental client in this case is unpardonably sleazy. "we hoped you wouldn't notice."  Having run the rental department of a reputable company in San Francisco, that kind of answer would have gotten them an earful from me and I would have refused to rent to them in the future. 
 
There is something called ethics.  
Dean Sensui June 22nd, 2009, 04:31 AM In general too many people fail to look at the situation from the other end and ask themselves, "What if that was my equipment and someone returned it in that condition?" 
 
When I rent 4WD vehicles, I take care to not get the paint scratched and take it easy on the sharp rocks. There are those who will say, "It's just a rental," and let it get trashed. But I'll rinse off the dust before returning the SUV. Because I want to be able to come back and rent from them again.  
Brian Luce June 24th, 2009, 07:33 PM EX3 is $375/day in Santa Barbara CA.  
 
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