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Erik Olsen
July 13th, 2004, 04:41 PM
Steve,
A FireWire800 drive would be more than fast enough to handle DV editing.
I use a FireWire 400 drive and haven't had any problems.

Mike Hanlon
July 13th, 2004, 05:58 PM
Yes, the beeping is definitely telling you that audio needs to be rendered, but I can't see how that is related to the length of the clip. I captured a full hour several times and never ran into that.

The only thing I can think of is the capture settings are set for something other than two channels of 48k hz, 16 bit sound and this is causing a problem.

Of course you can always throw away your preferences and see if it persists.

Mike.

Jeff Donald
July 13th, 2004, 06:00 PM
It may have to do what amount of ram and other system parameters.

Steve LaClair
July 13th, 2004, 08:06 PM
Thanks for all the quick replies guys! I'll definitely be picking up a Lacie drive this week.

Josh Brusin
July 14th, 2004, 03:22 PM
http://www.sancube.com/sc800specs.htm

pretty sweet... I have 2 of the older ones fs... but these new ones work in OSX.

Ray Echevers
July 14th, 2004, 09:36 PM
I too am looking to get either an internal SATA drive 250GB or a Lacie external 250GB drive.
I'm leaning towards the SATA internal, cuz i would not need to share a drive between computers or need the drive to be mobile.
The SATA is faster and more reliable?

Chet Hardin
July 15th, 2004, 08:27 AM
What do you use to edit 24p on your macs? What are the options of editing software for macs?

Thanks.

Jeff Donald
July 15th, 2004, 09:11 AM
FCP HD and the included Cinema Tools. That's all you'll need.

Graeme Nattress
July 15th, 2004, 09:22 AM
Final Cut Pro works great for 24p editing.

Graeme

Joe Calalang
July 15th, 2004, 11:26 AM
http://uk.download.yahoo.com/ne/fu/attachments/formula1.wmv

I'm sort of a car enthusiast and I thought this clip was pretty funny! Does anyone know of a software that can do this? I'm new at this video editing thing. Thanks.


"My lug nuts have more torque than your Civic". *winks*

Ray Echevers
July 15th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Maybe Adobe After Effects? Don't know, but I do know that for video editing Final Cut Pro rocks.

Jeff Donald
July 15th, 2004, 12:57 PM
After Effects, Shake, Maya, almost any compositing software will do that.

Matt Stahley
July 15th, 2004, 08:08 PM
Is it possible to daisy chain a couple external FW dvd writers together and use Toast to make a few copies at once? Similar to the stand alone dupers? Using the internal drive as the master and duping to the externals.

Nicholi Brossia
July 15th, 2004, 10:32 PM
I've had Toast Titanium 6 for quite some time and was fairly pleased with its performance. Recently, I burned a video DVD and noticed that the result was very jittery when viewed on television, almost as if stuttering between fields/frames.

I first noticed the problem after updating to 6.0.5 and just trashed Toast, then installed 6.0.3 again and it worked fine. Now, still using 6.0.3, the stuttering is back. I've tried changing field dominance and even deinterlacing in FCP, but keep getting the same results.

I've burned numerous junk DVDs and am hoping for some advice regarding what I'm doing wrong, or how this can be fixed. Basically, I've just been burning Final Cut movies (both self-contained and not) to DVD, letting Toast do the video encoding (standard). I'm pretty sure that the problem lies in Toast's encoding because I've eliminated most other variables.

Any Toast users out there experiencing, or have experienced, this problem? and if so, do you have any advice?

Also, I have Compressor, but haven't ever used it. Would it be possible to encode to MPEG-2 before burning with Toast? and if so, how would I make it playable on DVD players?

Any help will be very appreciated.

Jeff Donald
July 15th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Try another encoder (Compressor) and just let Toast do the burn.

David Slingerland
July 16th, 2004, 12:16 AM
I want to subtitel my recent project. Do I use text in FCP or lifetype?. I used LiveType so far but I then have to render twice...pretty timeconsuming..
I tried importing video in Lifetype to subtitel, but there is no audio feature? so I cant put the titels were I want them... Maybe I am doing something wrong?

Rob Moreno
July 16th, 2004, 01:19 AM
Better to stick to FCP for subtitles. LiveType is more for flashy, moving titles. Plus it's easier to edit the subtitles in FCP if you have to make changes. There's also the advatage that subtitles can be played back in real time without having to render, depending on your hardware.

Dave Perry
July 16th, 2004, 07:07 AM
I'm primarily used to working with DV but my employer shoots Beta SP only. His new G5 use an AJA IO and Medea Raid. It's only a 250 gig raid and we are constantly using up space and having to weed stuff out.

My understanding is that DV takes up about 13 gig/hr and uncompressed 10 bit about 70 gigs/hr. Is this correct? Also, he thinks he has to spend anothe 5K on a RAID set up. Will FW 800 work for us?

Thanks, Dave

Luis Caffesse
July 16th, 2004, 07:54 AM
If you plan to stay in the SD realm, you probably don't need to spend 5K on a Raid setup.

Take a look at Medea's new 'G Raid' series, as well as ProMax's raids.

Both of them make 1TB raids for under 2000 that offer data transfer rates fast enough for uncompressed 10bit SD work.

I would stay away from the Lacie 'Big Disk Extreme' by the way,
although it is fast enough also, it lacks a fan or any decent form
of cooling, and so it tends to overheat.

Hope this helps,

-Luis

PS.
Both of the drives I mentioned use FW800, but they also have FW400 ports on them. But, I'm not sure if FW400 would still be
fast enough for uncompressed SD work. You should contact
the manufacturers of the drives and see what they say.

Nicholi Brossia
July 16th, 2004, 09:39 AM
Okay, here's what I understand... use Compressor to encode the file as MPEG-2, drag the file to Toast and burn as a video DVD, and Toast will provide the necessary files to make it playable on a DVD player.

I know this is an extremely simple situation that could be solved with, "Just try it." However, I've already wasted too many DVDs and would like to double check in order to avoid any more duds.

Thanks for the help.

Jeff Donald
July 16th, 2004, 10:55 AM
Yes, that should give you better results in my opinion.

Mark Sloan
July 16th, 2004, 01:42 PM
You could fake something like it using FCP too using green screen tech, just shoot the people, the background and the car separately and then put them all together at the end, simply dropping out the green background of the crew, putting the car with its green background dropped out under that "layer", and then the static, normal shot of the background acting as the base shot. Maybe I'm over complecating it? But at first glance you could shoot it that way with very little work to set up and very little post work.

Mark Sloan
July 16th, 2004, 01:45 PM
Ray, check out barefeats or other speed comparison sites. I wouldn't say that the internal would be more reliable though. The nice thing about external is you end up using it for other things that you wouldn't have thought of necessarily. Like it is a great way to collaborate on a project, simply taking the drive from one location to another...

Filmon Mebrahtu
July 16th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Hello

I've been working on a one hour doc in Premiere and I'm about to hand over a rough-cut to an editor who uses FCP 4.5. What's the best wasy to get the project moved over to a Mac? I have two options on Premiere - EDL and AAF - Which is the way to go? I know all the video files have to be recaptured which is fine. Does FCP import an Adobe batch list? Otherwise I'll have to manually enter the batch lists, right? I'm ok with losing some transitions, color correction, scaling etc. but I want to preserve all the edit points.

Thanks!!!

Jeff Donald
July 16th, 2004, 03:26 PM
AAF usually doesn't work well, so EDL will be the long way. Automatic Duck is also an option but it is pricey.

Matt Elias
July 16th, 2004, 04:16 PM
What's the best approach to working between two computers? I'm going to do some rough edits on a dual G4 and then finish my project on a G5 (the computers are in the same location). Should I save my project to an external HD and then move it to the G5 when I'm ready to use it? I want to make sure there aren't any problems with lost clips or the G5 having trouble finding their paths. If there's a better option, then the workflow will be much faster.

Jeff Donald
July 16th, 2004, 04:39 PM
I use the FireWire Target mode. Turn of the G4. Plug a FireWire cable into the G4 and G5. restart the G4 and hold down the "T" key during restart. The FireWire symbol will appear on the G4's screen and the drives plugged into the G4 will appear on the G5's desktop. Transfer the media to a drive on the G5. Turn of G4. Unplug cable and restart the G4.

Boyd Ostroff
July 16th, 2004, 04:39 PM
I have worked between my Powerbook G4 laptop and two G4 desktops using an external firewire drive, but my experience is with FCP 3 and not the newer versions.

It all works very well, but there was one "gotcha" that you needed to be very careful of in FCP3. This had to do with specifying a scratch disk. If the computer did not find the disk you had chosen in your preferences (for example, if it was a firewire drive that was unplugged) then FCP would without warning default to putting render files and captured clips inside the documents folder of your "home" on the computer's boot drive. This meant that you needed to always check the scratch disk preference when moving between computers or run the risk of having files end up on an internal drive.

Has this been changed in the newer versions of FCP? I found this to be sort of a nuisance on version 3, but nothing that couldn't be dealt with if you kept it in mind.

Alex Ratson
July 16th, 2004, 07:25 PM
What I is the best way to network a 12inch Powerbook to my PC desktop so that I can extract files from the PC’s hard drive and share its printer? I would like the Powerbook to be wireless but the PC will be hard wired. Is there a solution to do this economically? I like some of the products I see from Linksys although it dose not say if they will work with the Mac or with the Mac and PC combo. Also I would like to share the same internet connection.

Any Help would be great.

Thanks,
Alex

Barry Gilbert
July 16th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Alex,
The internet connection will be a breeze. Mac or PC use the standard 802.11b. As for the sharing this guy has a pretty good step by step.


http://joelshoemaker.com/computer/mac/pcfilesharing.html

Mark Sloan
July 17th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Hm. Sharing the printer depends completely on the printer. The easiet thing to do would be to buy an Airport Extreme Base Station and hook that into your DSL or Cable modem. It has a ethernet jack for you to plug your PC into and your PowerBook can connect wirelessly if your PowerBook has an Airport Extreme card (802.11g or b). You can plug the printer (if it is compatible) into the USB jack on the base station and then anyone on your network can print to it... at least in theory. I don't know if the PC will detect it or not. You could go to the apple support pages and do a search or post a question about this setup there. According to the site, if you have windows 2000 or XP it should work: http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/

I would guess there are cheaper solutions out there, but I don't know if they would be as easy to set up.

If you just want to share files then take any ethernet cable, connect the two machines, and turn on file sharing on your PC. The mac will detect it when done correctly. I believe Barry's link is accurate for setting this up. It is easier to connect to the PC on your Mac then the other way around. Getting a PC to recognize your Mac's windows file sharing can be tricky. (You don't need to worry about a cross-over ethernet cable, the powerbook's ethernet jack is smart enough to figure everything out)

Frank Vu
July 17th, 2004, 03:12 PM
Can I in the capture window of FCP4 on my Powerbook during direct to external harddrive capture? I want to frame my shots properly with my DVX and anamorphic adapter without having to buy a 16x9 monitor. Is there a plug-in solution?

Boyd Ostroff
July 17th, 2004, 04:09 PM
I use FCP 3 and know there isn't a feature for this, don't know about FCP 4 but I kinda doubt it.

I suggest that you take a look at BTV Pro (http://www.bensoftware.com/btvpro.html) which is an inexpensive shareware application that I find really useful. You can display and/or capture video in this program and the screen size is fully configurable. I shoot anamorphic 16:9 with my PDX-10 and use BTV Pro all the time as a portable monitor that shows full screen underscan video in the correct proportion. On my 15" powerbook I've set the default for full screen at 1280x720.

The program has a lot of other features, many of which I haven't even tried, such as time lapse recording. You can also access a variety of "scopes" to analyze the video stream which can be really handy as well.

Give it a try, you can use it in demo mode for free which gives you full access to the features.

Joe Calalang
July 17th, 2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Mark Sloan : You could fake something like it using FCP too using green screen tech, just shoot the people, the background and the car separately and then put them all together at the end, simply dropping out the green background of the crew, putting the car with its green background dropped out under that "layer", and then the static, normal shot of the background acting as the base shot. Maybe I'm over complecating it? But at first glance you could shoot it that way with very little work to set up and very little post work.

Can FCE do this too?

Frank Vu
July 17th, 2004, 06:44 PM
thanks for the link...i was hoping there was something out there like that. seems like a really easy feature to include in fcp4. i too capture on my pb, and love that i get to shoot exactly what i want and edit immediately.

Vishal Gurung
July 18th, 2004, 03:07 AM
You could do green screen with FCP for sure but as far as my experiences go with green screen, it isn't as easy as just pointing a camera at a subject on a green background and calling it a day.. there's lights involved, distance, focal points, focus.. not to mention a crapload of equipment u'd have to bring... it's doable, but if i don't think as easy as one would gather. Then again i guess one could always rotoscope that car in lol.. gee that'd be fun :/

Gustavo Godinho
July 18th, 2004, 07:58 AM
Hi. The problem is: when I press the "fast-forward" button on my FCP, despite of fast frames, a black screen appears. A very loud noise occurs too.

It´s not captured footage. I´m trying to fast forward from a tape that is "playbacked" from a DV VTR.

The system goes like this:

audio: VTR > AJA capture card > mixer > speakers
video: VTR > AJA capture card > mac G5 with FCP 4

Don´t forget the most important information: I´m trying to fast forward the tape from VTR using the FCP.

Do you think this noise and the black screen was supposed to be happening???

Jeff Donald
July 18th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Some VTR's will not play an image in FF. Some VTR's have to have image playback in FF turned on in an internal menu. Is the noise your audio in FF also?

Steve LaClair
July 18th, 2004, 11:41 AM
I've noticed before in the past if you use audio that didn't match your project settings that sometimes you'd get crackles or whatever. Our current project is shot with 2 vx2100's on 16bit 48kHz, but I'm switching over to a vx1000 which you know is 12bit 32kHz.

Can audio from the vx1000 still work good in a 48kHz project without distortion?

Gustavo Godinho
July 18th, 2004, 12:00 PM
Thanks Jeff. I´ll be more especific: the VCR is a Sony DSR-25. When I try to fast-forward from the FCP, pressing the FF button, a terrible loud noise occurs. The tape begins to roll fast, but no image appears, only a black screen.

I heard someone say that it could be a software problem, and an update would solve the problem. Do you know anything about this update?

Jeff Donald
July 18th, 2004, 12:19 PM
If the VTR is connected to a monitor you can see a picture, or a black screen on the monitor? What version FCP, 4.0, 4.1, 4.5?

Benjamin Harrison
July 18th, 2004, 01:49 PM
I'm trying to put the finishing touches on a scene we shot in a movie theater in which I digitally inserted the video playing on the theater's screen. I was thinking it would be nice to put a little flicker effect on it to make it look more realistic. Any suggestions? I'm working with FCP and could conceivably go into After Effects if I really have to.

Alex Taylor
July 18th, 2004, 02:28 PM
This is just a wild thought I had, but what if you rendered it out of AE at 24fps uncompressed, then inserted it back in what I'm assuming is your 29.97fps project?

Gustavo Godinho
July 18th, 2004, 03:34 PM
The VTR is connected to an AJA card. The AJA is connected through firewire to the G5. It´s FCP 4.0. The black screen I´m talkin´about is the FCP monitor window.

Seems that the FCP is not fast-fowarding the tape properly.

Ron Jones
July 19th, 2004, 11:49 AM
When I try to capture now. The capture window comes up okay, but no video in it. I get message, allocating disk space.I eventually have to force quit out of FCPHD.
Do I have a setting wrong? Was working fine before Needs some ones advice!


Ron

Jeff Donald
July 19th, 2004, 11:52 AM
Read the post at the top of this forum detailing how to trash your preferences. I suspect that will solve your capture issue, if not please post back with more details about your system, software and hardware

David Phillips
July 19th, 2004, 02:32 PM
We had the same problem a couple of years back. An un-install and re-install solved the problem.

Dave Cook
July 19th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I'm still a rookie with my new PV-GS200 and accidentally shot some footage to the memory card (.ASF) when I was trying to take a still - I pressed the wrong button... Turns out it was some pretty good footage and I would like to add it to my project in Final Cut Express. Is there a way?

Tim Tonner
July 20th, 2004, 08:26 PM
I have managed to save from a disk some images with jpg extensions. They easily saved to my hard drive, and then dragged to my FCP 3 browser folder, and then dropped into my edit.
However, one image, with an eps extension, saved to my hard drive, would not drag to my browser. Any ideas?

Ron Jones
July 21st, 2004, 07:50 AM
Thanks for your help. still not capturing.

Let me give you some more back ground info.

-G4, 768Ram, FCPHD, working off 300gig FW hard drive.
When I click capture now black screen, no video, and it says: Allocating disk space and I have to force quit out of FCPHD.
I have removed preference files and re started.
tried a new doc.
I have check my settings, and believe there okay.
I have all so did a capture in iMovie, for a test and that works fine.
Do I need to un install and re install? I hope not!


Ron