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Kent Dammand
October 27th, 2004, 01:51 PM
any way to record multiple audio inputs -like more than 2 using dvracK?

Im using dvx100 and have many audio interfaces avaialbe,adat? rca?analog, input combinations w firewire??

also

assuming cost is no object, what laptop is "the best, biggest baddest etc" i have a powerbook so i would not do this unless i had an equally powerful pc laptop

Mark Mapes
October 27th, 2004, 02:18 PM
Kent,

The short answer is no, at least not from within DV Rack. It receives audio only from the DV camera via FireWire, and while you can switch cameras through the app, you can only record or monitor one camera at a time. I'm sure there are ways that you could feed multiple audio inputs into some cameras, and DV Rack would record all that audio, but it would not recognize it as separate tracks (apart from the right and left channels, of course)

Murph,

I've been trying to get an answer for you on DirectX support in Virtual PC. So far I haven't found any definitive info, but what I have learned is not encouraging. There's some disagreement on other forums as to whether Virtual PC has zero support for DirectX or whether it's just limited. The consensus seems to be that plans to implement Direct 3D support were scrapped. In any case, we hold out little hope that it would allow DV Rack to run on a Mac.

On HDV support: You are among a surprising number of customers and potential customers who are very interested in DV Rack working with HDV. We've certainly discussed this and will be keeping tabs on sales of HDV cameras before moving in that direction.

Kent Dammand
October 27th, 2004, 02:22 PM
please allow sync audio from second source in your development.

any way to sync with this tool to allow for complexe audio? this would be the holy grail

Christopher C. Murphy
October 27th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Mark, sounds great...from what I've seen HDV is a winner.

Murph

Chris Mills
October 27th, 2004, 10:57 PM
Does DV Rack support true 16:9 PAL? I can't seem to find anything other than the letterbox button which crops my image. Any ideas here?

Barry Green
October 27th, 2004, 11:08 PM
The latest update lets you control the aspect ratio of the monitor. You can select practically any aspect ratio from 1.000:1 down to 2.35:1, including 16:9.

Chris Mills
October 28th, 2004, 05:14 AM
Does the trial version allow for custom aspect ratios?

Edit: found it - its on page two of the menu controls. Cool!

Ricardo Renaldi
October 29th, 2004, 04:10 PM
My vote for HDV support and more audio feeds (not thru firewire).

That way this app would be the perfect Pro HDV recorder, avoiding the crappy compressed HDV audio. I think the market for such an app is huge.


cheers

Ric

Mark Mapes
October 29th, 2004, 04:47 PM
I've added the ability to record multiple audio feeds to our lengthy list of proposed enhancements. If this suggestion makes the cut, we would almost certainly implement it so that the additional audio is recorded as one or more separate clips (depending on the number of audio devices). Otherwise, we would be violating DV Rack's prime directive not to alter the DV data received from the camera.

Ricardo Renaldi
October 29th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Mark,

Do it the way you want, but the extra audio is a must. Our next documental piece to be shoot wiith the Sony FX1 needs surround sound. We are considering a laptop plus ProTools for the audio .

If we had an unique device (notebook) that lets us adquire the audio AND the video at the same time would be great for us and I think many more people in the industry.

tks

Ric

Kent Dammand
October 31st, 2004, 07:34 PM
by all emans, this would be a big market for you cus many folk now have to use Pro Tools etc just to get the extra audio in...please do it

Lawrence Stevens
November 1st, 2004, 02:40 AM
Any news on whether you are going to implement a very basic editing rack into dv rack?

I suggested this quite a while back, but got no definitive response.

My post is on the first couple of pages, but basically a rack that would allow you to drop and trim you clips into. I am talking very basic here, just to be able to get a rough cut instantly without having to leave dv rack?

I think this is a very good idea - what do you say?

Lawrence

Mark Mapes
November 1st, 2004, 12:10 PM
Lawrence,

I entered your suggestion for a timeline queue with mark in/out capability into our list back when you first proposed it. We batted it around then and, as I recall, the idea got a round of approving nods. That said, I make no guarantees about when or if any idea will be implemented--with nearly eighty feature requests on the list, the competition will be stiff when the time comes to select the feature set that we will add to 2.0.

My apologies for not posting a reply back in September,

Mark Randall
November 6th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Murph,

You can be sure that DV Rack will not work with any PC emulator on a Mac. DV Rack requires not only Microsoft's DirectX but DirectShow as well. It also uses the hardware overlay surface of the graphics card. If you want to confirm this for yourself with any emulator company just ask them a.) DirectX b.) DirectShow c.) support for hardware overlay surface on video card.

We wish it did work as that would be cool and we'd love to bring this unique functionality to the Macintosh. The tough part is that DV Rack is doing some rather difficult things and to do so it is making maximum use of the resources in the PC. That kind of app is very difficult to emulate.

Mark Randall
November 6th, 2004, 07:22 PM
Kent,

Regarding recording additional audio inputs into separate .wav files on the PC hard drive. If we were to support this, what kind of hardware input do you think the customer would be using? The typical "Sound Blaster"-style input is not going to be high enough quality for serious work.

Secondly, there will be a problem synchronizing the WAV file on the hard drive with the audio/video in the DV clip on the hard drive. Whatever sound card is used is certain to initiate it's file at least several samples (or maybe thousands of samples) off from the DV file. I'm not sure there's any way our software can overcome this limitation of the hardware. So users will be left with doing some kind of audible clapboard marker in each clip to allow the various files to be aligned in the editor. Would this be a problem?

--- Mark

Christopher C. Murphy
November 6th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Ok Mark, I understand...and will probably end up getting a cheap laptop PC to do DV Rack stuff.

Murph

Kent Dammand
November 6th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Well, the audible clap is how we do it now running a seperate system. So it wouldnt be as usful if thats all you did but would still be possibly better than running 2 systems.

On the PC, most programs access ASIO or Windows Wave drivers which i think makes the particular card irrelavant. you might look at Camtasia Recorder to see how they access audio inputs. if you had asio you could access more pro cards though.

You might look at scripting latency offset features that are common in Pro Audio apps and may help in this question.

timestamping?

i guess the real supreame implmentation would be a way to have a sync mechanism built in so that disk and tape audio and timestamped and could be dragged into a nle from one location.