Looking at the Panasonic page for the DVC30, it says it comes with "CinemaGamma" software -- is this built into the camera or is it actual software? (I'm confused since it's listed as a "software" for the DVX100 as well.) Anyone know what that is, or how it works? Any experience at all with it? Does it mimic that CinemaGamma feature inherent on the DVX100?

Also, since the DVC80 is no longer listed on the Panasonic site, does anyone know if it has the CinemaGamma software as well?

The only reason I ask is that the thing I like about the most about the DVX100 is the Cinema settings. The 24p is not as big a deal. I can use software for that (although I'm aware of the loss of resolution). But I can't seem to mimic the Cinema settings to my liking.

I'm a little confused, and I've read enough to just confuse myself further. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

yes, the dvc30 has built in cinegamma, no the dvc80 does not. no external software.

I ordered a DVC30 today from Profeel for $1,977.95. Should be here next Wed. I'll post something on CinemaGamma setting as soon as I figure out how everything works.

Mark

Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. Of course neither the GS100 or DVC30 have adjustable gamma settings like that of the DVX100/DVX100A.

The DVC80 lacks any cine-like gamma modes and also does not have frame mode or progressive scan.

<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Its definitely internal software/hardware and along with the DVC30 the Japanese NV-GS100 also has this cine-like gamma mode. >>>

I know it's a bit early, but does anyone where I might be able to see any stills or any clips of the DVC30 shot in cine-like mode? (Sorry for the millions of my questions -- I really appreciate all y'all's helps and pointers.)

I have yet to find any frames or clips of the DVC30 other than this one odd link and it links to a Japanese site with small pictures that may or may not have originated on a DVC30.

http://homepage.mac.com/Kakuito/iblog/SoMuchInLife/B1199311744/C91299427/E1874682662/

Yes, it is taken by AG-DVC30 with 30P/Cinelike gamma. (May I ask why odd?)

Maybe I can post some other shots for you folks to see. Please give me a few days.

(May I ask why odd?)

Odd in that you wouldn't expect to find DVC30 information there but appreciated all the same.

BTW - that little picture is of a Sony PDX10.

I was using PDX10 for last year since Panasonic cams were not well implementing anamorphic. So my icon for Video/Creative entry is PDX10. I'm liking the control and 30p capability on AG30 now, so soon I will switch more towards to Panasonic cams. Like yourself, I purchased the GS100k (black) and it should arrive tomorrow. How is the anamorphic mode on GS100k?

I strictly shoot in widescreen and Pro Cinema on the GS100 and I'm a big fan. Of course I would rather have 1/3" or 1/4" CCDs but for the price its great. My last cam was a PDX10 and I want to consider the DVC30 but the lack of a quality 16:9 mode has discouraged me.

This is a Pro Cinema frame (unaltered other than JPG compression) of my daughter.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-12/74415/ProCinema1.jpg

Congratulations on finding a GS100 (especially a black one). I see that Pansonic Japan has started pushing it out the door on their website.

NASA has chosen the GS100 as their next rover camera.. (j/k)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-12/74415/BlackMERMamba.jpg

I, too, shoot only in 16:9 mode. I get really discouraged with 4:3. Since I shoot mostly music performance and extreme sport events, PDX10's clumsy zoom control have given me the frustration. PDX10 is okay if you use extrenal lanc controller with tripod, or not using zoom at all when it is on my Glidecam. So, I will keep one PDX10 for the better 16:9 shooting. You are right about the quality on 16:9 with AG30, but since it does take 30p, which the resolution is twice as high as interlace, the picture look acceptable. I will post the still and the short movie on my web site for you to look at after my deadline for magazine article.

Thank you for showing me the captures. They look beautiful.

For further referece, I'm sure you have come across to this page but just in case you did not.
http://www8.big.or.jp/~a_fuyu/PA/GS100/GS100p.html

Oh, what is your guess on 16:9 quality on NV-GS400?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the cine gamma on the ag-dvc30 is the same as on the DVX100? I read that it cannot be adjusted like the DVX, but can it look similar? Have people shot with both the 30 and the DVX to see how close the gamma settings look? Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't been able to find much info about this.

I'm thinking about getting a dvc30, because I can't afford a DVX, and it looks like a good cheaper alternative. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Dave.

Hi Dave,

DVC30 can let you adjust parameters like detail level/chroma level/color temp/master ped/ae shift/skin tone dtl/rec mode.

So, actually, DVC's cine-like is in the general scene file and the file is adjustable preset, and detail level is down to -3, chroma level is set up to +4, AE shift is set to -3 and rec mode being "frame". Maybe little diffrent from DVX100?

I posted the still from NV-GS100 and AG-DVC30 both in movie-like mode (Squeeze Wide).

http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/iblog/SoMuchInLife/B1199311744/C91299427/E741964745/index.html

Wow Kaku, those are some great shots demonstrating the difference in widescreen mode between the GS100 and DVC30.

That pretty much rules out a DVC30 upgrade for me since I shoot stricly 16:9.

A million thanks!

I should have taken the shots with 4:3 mode to compare the quality between GS100 and DVC30 to be fair but some mean insects are biting me like crazy. I got realy bad swollen legs now (lol).

I hope that GS400 would have control of the DVC30 and 16:9 quality of the GS100.

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : but since it does take 30p, which the resolution is twice as high as interlace -->>>

Is this true? According to Panasonic's DVC30 brochure it offersa 30-fps frame recording function that electronically interpolates interlaced images to create frames with no time difference between fields.*

*The resulting images are not the same as native progressive images recorded with a progressive CCD.To me this implies that the results would be similar to using a good deinterlacer in post.

I didn't realize that. I guess, I should comepare the quality of the interlace to interpolated AND the DVC30's 30p mode.

Any how, I'm selling my DVC30 to get ready for NV-GS400. DVC30 must be used by people who does not need 16:9 mode.

Kaku, at last someone with Tommy's upgradeitis and direct access to the Japanese market! Please come back with info and framegrabs from the gs400 as soon as you get your hands on it.

I'll do my best to keep you posted. Luckily, I'm in the position to give you the latest news (at least for what I'm interested in).

By the way, I did not realize you are from Honolulu, Kim. I used to work at Harry's Music and for Audy Kimura. Howz things in Hawaii?

<<<-- Originally posted by Boyd Ostroff : <<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : but since it does take 30p, which the resolution is twice as high as interlace -->>>

Is this true? According to Panasonic's DVC30 brochure it offersTo me this implies that the results would be similar to using a good deinterlacer in post. -->>>

I have a thought about this now after trying out some things. Since interlaced format is shooting at even interval between fields, if you shoot something going fast, you would have blured image because the interpolated fields images are far apart from each other. "IF" GS100 and DVC30's psuedo-progressive is working so the interval of the fields are closer, then it might have a better sharper image than deinterlacing. I will shoot something with GS100 and DVC30 with both interlace and progressive mode and compare the deinterlaced and progressive images. Do you think it is worth the effort?

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : I'll do my best to keep you posted. Luckily, I'm in the position to give you the latest news (at least for what I'm interested in).

By the way, I did not realize you are from Honolulu, Kim. I used to work at Harry's Music and for Audy Kimura. Howz things in Hawaii? -->>>

Kaku, Hawaii is Hawaii. We have the usual complaints that go with living in paradise - not enough money to pay for roads, schools, etc. Worries about whether the tourists will come and concern about what tourism is doing to our part of the world. In the end, though, you can't complain about the aloha; I've lived in a lot of places, and nothing beats the genuine aloha spirit. Surprises even me sometimes that it's lasted and what a difference it makes.

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : I posted the still from NV-GS100 and AG-DVC30 both in movie-like mode (Squeeze Wide).
http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/iblog/SoMuchInLife/B1199311744/C91299427/E741964745/index.html -->>>
Thanks for the post. Is the DVC30 footage with Cinemagamma on?

Robert,

Yes.