Hi,
Is is me or all the video i see on vimeo testing the the hfs11 new optical stab are strobing when they pan ? i would rather say jumpy
is due to the ois trying to stick on the area you are leaving ? or is it just a vimeo compression issue.
(i am not even talking a fast pan, just normal ones)

I thinking about buying a s11 but if the ois create more problems than it solves, it would maybe be better to get a s10.
there is always some way to smooth your way of shooting but a sticky pan cannot be fixed

is someone had a closer look on that ?

thanks
Olivier

It can be sticky with D-OIS.

Switch to Std IS, or turn it off.

If you're on a tripod you should have it turned off anyway.

Hi, Is is me or all the video i see on vimeo testing the the hfs11 new optical stab are strobing when they pan ?Can you provide a specific example (URL)?

Can you provide a specific example (URL)?

sure, have a look at these :
Canon Legria iVIS Vixia HF S11 test on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/6793831)
HF S11's Stabilizer: Total Recall on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/6790618)

cheers

so there is a way to select the normal ois instesd of the the new one as an alternativ to switch it off ?

except the sticky bit and the higher capacity card, is there really some other difference between the s10 and s11 ?
i have to make my choice in the few weeks coming

cheers

Olivier, thanks for those links. I downloaded the original files and both show horrible artefacts, even on slow pans (and the shot of the flowers looks jerky to me too). I'd rather have the optical stabilisation in the S10/100 and run particularly wobbly shots through DeShaker.so there is a way to select the normal ois instesd of the the new one as an alternativ to switch it off ?The manual is here: http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/1/0300001381/02/hf11nim2-en.pdf ...and it isn't clear. Perhaps someone with an S11 can tell us whether there are different levels of IS.except the sticky bit and the higher capacity card, is there really some other difference between the s10 and s11 ?Not as far as I'm aware. And remember the HF S100 is also the same camera, only without the internal memory.

I have one and you can set D-IS, Std IS, or no IS.

Sticky or not, the D-IS is actually pretty darned sweet if you don't move too fast side-to-side. Moving front-to-back is fantastic. Steady holds, fantastic.

The features of S11 over the others are disk space; Dynamic IS; the (accessory) LANC port; and the addition of a night mode (which I think just adds AGC limits to "fireworks" mode, but I could be wrong on that)

The features of S11 over the others are: the (accessory) LANC port;


I think it's been proved that the LANC controller will also work on the HF S10/100 - Canon just haven't mentioned it...

so does it really worse buying a s11 ? is the night mode is really an improvement compare to the s10 ? the lanc, i have no need for it and buying sd card is cheaper

i was excited about the s11 but now i am wondering....

thanks

i was excited about the s11 but now i am wondering....

thanks

Exactly - I was very keen to upgrade from the HF10 to the HF S100, and very glad I am that I did so, but the HF S11? I'm not convinced, especially as I rarely shoot anything off the tripod.

We'll see about the LANC, Robin. My guess is that it DOES work on other cameras, but it's not "certified" to work by Canon.

I'm still waiting on mine, though -- B&H got the cameras, but not the LANC connectors.

I tried uploading another sample to YT: YouTube - Canon HFS11 modes + Encoder Freakout? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2wcZYNIfrg)

I tried the Vimeo Preset too, which had even worse encoding artifacts

The D-IS is not jerky like that. If you watch the video, you'll see plenty of (.5 Hz?) jerkiness throughout, even on the STATIC shots :/

some tests looks pretty convincing, even i see some look retimed... ????

but i guess, i am weak, i will buy s11 anyway :)

thanks

Nothing retimed, it's just the $^&^!!! compression.

You can see some classic "CMOS rolling shutter slant" on the train footage, too. Comes with the territory.

-- and just this second: I got an email from B&H saying the RA-V1 is in stock

I Posted an SD version of the previous vid : Canon HF S11 Mode Tests (SD Version) on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/6845890)

the smaller image is much smoother -- the compression artifacts are well gone and you can see that while there can be a "bounce" from dynamic IS (when it's trying to catch up) there is NOT the "jerkiness" or "stickiness" previously mentioned.

Thanks for that.
I guess i will have to do some test myself when i will buy it to see the limits of what i can do which each option. if we still can choose that's fine because the d ois looks great when you are no panning
the rolling shutter is pretty hard on the train :) but in that range of cam, there is not really a lot of choice.

the hfs11 is still not in store in london, that have been 3 weeks i keep asking in shops
when canon say sept, it mean veryyyyy late sept. like the 53 sept. ;)

thanks

If you're on a tripod you should have it turned off anyway.

how about on a jib?

Same deal. OIS should be turned off if the camcorder isn't being hand-held.