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Tim Pierce
June 22nd, 2005, 08:30 AM
I have been studying this site for a couple weeks now and could really use your professional advice. I have been producing DVDs of family events as a hobby for a couple of years now. I use Vegas 4.0, DVD Architect 1.0, and a Sony DCR-TRV730. I covered my cousin's wedding a few weeks ago as a family favor and now word has spread that I do wedding videography. My first professional event is in a month. The groom's mother is also a wedding director, who can potentially bring in lots of clients. Unfortunately, I feel that there is a limit as to what I can charge without the use of more professional equipment. For now I am comfortable with my computer, as it was originally purchased as a custom HTPC. It is a 3 GB, 1 GB Corsair High Perfomance Ram, 2x120 GB hard drives (although I will probably go with dual 300 GB SATA very soon), and 16X DVD/RW.

I feel that the first things that I need to purchase are a better camera, wireless lav, shotgun mic, light, and a good tripod. I feel pretty good about the advice given in other threads for audio and support. However, I really need help with a camera.

I can't see spending $2K or more for a quality standard definition camcorder, when I can spend a little more and get a high definition camcorder that will put me well positioned in the future. What say you? I think it will also be a good selling point. From what I have read on here, video shot in HD and downconverted to SD looks the same or better than native SD. I also feel that if I do go the HDV route for wedding videograpy, that Sony is best for low light situations frequently experienced at rehearsal dinners and receptions. I don't think that I need all the features offered with the Z1, so I'm leaning towards the FX1. I am shooting for $5K or less for the items listed above. Any thoughts?

John DeLuca
June 22nd, 2005, 09:00 AM
Hi Tim,

Some things you may want to get.......

1.) Miller DS Aluminum 2-Stage Tripod.......Light weight, non obtrusive black color, rigid, 61 inch height, fast leveling.

2.) Used Sony VX2000 with XLR adaptor or field mixer....... I don't belive(in my opinion) HDV looks like SD when downconverted to SD than SD native. There is more than enough life in SD. Think about how long it took for dvd players to catch on when they first came out.....let alone blue ray or hd dvd players. In my opinion the people jumping into hdv now are making a poor choice. Don't jump on the hdv bandwagon just yet.

3.) 2 Senn G2 wireless kits with wireless bracket.....very clean units


4.) ME-66 shotgun...not that important at first, but nice to have in general


5.) Affordable dimmable light (35-50 watts) with SOFT BOX.......forget about the soft glass filers, you need to spread the light source itself out with the box. The new white LED panels are perfect.


6.) Lanc controller


7.) Various cables you may need


Good Luck,

John

Tim Pierce
June 22nd, 2005, 09:13 AM
Thanks John, that's exactly what I needed. I understand that it'll be awhile before it would be profitable to distribute in HD. I just think that if the event was shot in HD and distributed in SD, there would be additional profit potential to produce it in HD at some point in the future. Besides, I have an HD television that has never had an HD signal displayed on it and I'd love to experiment with it myself.

John DeLuca
June 22nd, 2005, 09:24 AM
Think of it this way........If you make money with SD, you can buy better HD later when HD has been out for awhile(maybe dvcprohd w interchangable lenses for example). The way I look at it....if im gonna go HD, im gonna do it right the first time. The FX1 does not meet my requirements at this point.....poor lens quality/compression artifacts (im a photographer too). Think long term.

Also I forgot to add a fluid head to the list......the bogen 503 is decent for the money.


John

Tim Pierce
June 22nd, 2005, 09:37 AM
That's a very good point. You guys are the greatest! By the way, I was looking on B&H at the Miller full tripods. Should I buy the full unit or should I piece one together? They're a little more expensive than I anticipated. Thanks again for your insight.

John DeLuca
June 22nd, 2005, 09:57 AM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=179086&is=REG


Tripod=$700 plus shipping.......this item isnt returnable at b&h....may want to look at other places...it is the very best for the money right now for run and gun work.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=214739&is=REG


Head=$ 259 plus shipping


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=269886&is=REG


Lanc=$ 269 plus shipping


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=details_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=216473&is=REG


Extra pan handle for duel handle set up $ 37 plus shipping.....not needed but nice to have




I know.....it gets out of price range real fast, but I would consider the above set up "affordable" in this line of work.


John

Brian K Jones
June 22nd, 2005, 11:20 AM
Hi Tim. I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in. I agree with what has been said here concerning jumping on the HDV bandwagon. Give it some time, as I am. I do weddings and events, and I just bought an XL2 about 6 months ago. I figured there is plenty of life left in high quality SD, and some companies out there are making leaps and bounds in affordable HD technology. There is a Co. developing a system for capturing uncompressed SD and HD from a Panny DVX100A, and soon for the XL2. Why would I jump to HDV, which is highly compressed HD? There is alot more to a high quality event DVD than resolution, though some on this forum may argue that point.

Mathieu Ghekiere
June 22nd, 2005, 04:06 PM
I can say nothing more accept that I agree with Brian and John. HD is maybe 'fun' now, but it's still not as close as many like to believe. Not many people have a HD television set, and SD is still alive.
Better a great SD cam than a crappy HD cam.
And, as Brian said, there is more to video/film then resolution. Especially in the wedding videography.
Best regards,

Bob Costa
June 23rd, 2005, 12:08 AM
SOme other htings to think about.

1. You really want/need two cameras to give good reliable coverage. STuff does happen, and a second cam on a tripod at the back can ave your butt and your reputation. It also gives you more options to get excellent coverage with camera one, because you have cam 2 running to cover the moves. Two of same model (or similar like vx2100 + pd170) will make matching them in post much easier. Also, low light issues should be addressed, and is why many people choose vx2100 or pd170. You will also need second tripod, maybe get by with cheaper head at first.

2. Backup backups backups. 2 senn wireless units is a good idea. Feed one into each camera. You may also want to consider in iRiver witha lav (about $200 total) for even more redundancy in case you have wireless issues. You need backups of everything important to do weddings professionally.

3. Lots of extra batteries.

4. What will you do if it rains? A raincoat is useful, or at least a plan (umbrella attached to tripod?).

5. Get one Senn unit with the buttplug, so you can convert your shotgun to a wireless interview mic if you need it and want to offer that as part of your service.

6. Good isolating headphones. Most people seem to like Sony (7506??), I use etymotic on location.

7. A monopod can come in handy. Get the Manfrotto one with retractable legs, and you can get a lot of mileage out of it as pseudo-crane and pseudo-glidecam. Get QR tiltable head for it too that matches your tripod head.

There are lots of gimmicks to differentiate yourself in a crowded market, but I seldom hear of anyone losing a job because of formats. 16x9, 24p, HDV are all gimmicky. I would not choose any of them just for weddings, but if you like 16x9 format (its especially good for some things) that could be a factor, as could 24p if you like that look and want to do shorts or documentaries. I think HDV is not ready for prime time, and would not spend money there as a newbie. You have plenty of things to buy, including marketing stuff like ads and brochures and going to bridal shows.

Pete Wilie
June 23rd, 2005, 04:19 AM
The Sony PD150 and PD170 are very popular cameras in this forum for weddings and event videography. I recently switched from a GL2 to a PD170 and couldn't be happier. I love the ergonomics and performance of the PD170. You won't find a camera that performs better in low light. Not only can it capture with lower light, but the digital signal processing is truly outstanding. You can apply up to 12db gain with virtually no visible noise.

The PD series is the professional Sony series and these cameras are well-built and are well-supported by Sony. Some may suggest the VX2100, which is very similar, but the iris control is not as good, and you would have to add a XLR adapter and wide angle adapter to approach what you get in the box with a PD170. By the time you do this the cost is almost the same, but the capabilities aren't.

I don't believe any of the HDV cameras come close on low-light performance to that of the PD170. The HD world is expanding very rapidly right now and I wouldn't jump in yet unless I had a compelling, money-making, reason to do so. And just so you know, I'm a huge fan of HD.

This question has been asked many times. Do some searches in this forum and in the VX2100/PD170 forum for lots of comparisons and opinions.

Good luck in your new business, and let us know your decision.

Art Guglielmo
June 23rd, 2005, 06:50 AM
This HD thing is a bit of a conversational piece. I see TONS of opinions on what HDV is and isn't, but I also think it is coming from a lot of people that have not really used the equipment first hand. My main three cameras are a DVX-100a, and XL-2 and a Sony FX-1.

Let's start with this. The main points AGAINST HD right now are, delivery and the lack of clients that actually have HD. There are numerous ways to deliver HD right now, and if you get clients on the bleeding edge, you can give them a beautiful piece in HD, today. The problem is, most clients don't have, and probably don't want it. I have now shot 2 weddings in HD since buying the camera in March.

Now the myths, and misconceptions:
1. HDV is highly compressed HD: So what, DV is highly compressed SD. With this reasoning, throw away all your SD DV cameras, and shoot Betacam. HDV might be highly compressed, but it still looks beautiful, and most wedding videographers arn't Speilberg. Sure if you can afford a Cinealta, or the new DVX with $20,000 worth of P2 cards, then by all means, shoot weddings with that.

2. SD downconverted from an FX-1 doesnt look any different or better than a video that started from an SD camera: Also not true. Doing a side by side comparison with the XL-2 and the FX-1, shooting a models face, there are details apparant in the FX-1 video that arnt in the XL-2 video, picked up from the extra rez from the original HDV signal. Whether this is better or not might be subjective, but the fact is, they are there.

3. You cant efficiently edit it: False. Buy Final Cut 5 with a fast Mac, and you'll be editing HDV like its DV, and can't tell the difference. The only difference is the render time at the END of your project on output to tape, once editing is done.

4. Low light capabilities: The Fx-1 shoots in low light almost as well as a PD-150, no matter what the specs say. Besides, ANY camera should not be taping in a dark room, as it all looks bad, and un-professional. Why are wedding videographers trying to get away with no light?

As far as the post about someone creating a way to capture HD from an DVX, the DVX has a standard def chip, so matter what they do, that will never work. You can scale the video in your NLE to do the same effect they are creating. And if HDV is quasi-HD, then what do you call that?

If I were starting my business today, I would definetely consider the sony HDV cams. If you want the 24p capabilities of the DVX or XL-2, then go with them, but what is the benefit of going with a PD-150 or the like now, if your just getting into it. Buy the new Sony, get a true 16:9 chip, and be future proofed. I maybe wouldnt throw away all your old equipment if you are already in the business, but why are so many people afriad of HDV?

Tommy James
June 23rd, 2005, 09:17 AM
I have said it before and I will say it again high definition cameras simply blow standard definition cameras out of the water. If someone were buying a television today who in their right mind would buy a standard definition TV when you can buy a TV with HD built in starting at 550 bucks ? The problem is not with the HDTV the problem lies with the people who refuse to accept what they perceive as new technology. People just do not want to change and until the concept of change becomes mainstream it will always be an uphill battle regardless of what technology we are talking about.

The concept of high definition is nothing new. Back in the 1930s radio television broadcasters wanted to adopt a 300 line resolution system as being the standard definition. But it was realized that such a low definition system would soon be obsolete so it was agreed that the broadcasters would wait until the high definition system capable of resolving 500 lines of resolution be developed before it became standardized. World War 2 delayed the adoption of the high definition standard but soon after World War 2 the high definition 525 line system was adopted as the standard for television broadcasting. Now for the last 50 years we have been stuck with this 500 line standard with no major advancement except the introduction of color television which was developed in spite of the naysayers. But it could have been worse, if there were not a depression in the 1930s their would have been tremendous pressure to adopt the 300 line resolution system so that millions of television sets could have been sold in the 1930s to supply a boom economy. and for how long would we have to put up with a 300 line standard definition system before people demanded a change ?

In 1964 the Japanese decided that enough was enough and television needed to be upgraded if the Japanese were to maintain their technological superiority so research in advanced high definition television began with the goal of developing a 1000 line system. 15 years later in 1980 the technology was perfected but it was realized that HDTV was a bandwidth hog and the adoption of HDTV would result in reducing the number of channels available for broadcasting something unacceptable to the consumer who wants more choices in programming. So it was decided that HDTV would have to wait until digital technology was perfected because digital compression technologies could be introduced reducing bandwidth.

By 1996 the FCC mandated the transition to digital television and declared that all anolog broadcasting would cease by 2006. Although the FCC did not mandate HDTV the television stations were given ample digital bandwidth to accomadate HDTV. IN 1996 it was proposed that the fast track to HDTV would be the adoption of one HDTV broadcasting standard however the FCC approved 18 HDTV standards which drove the cost of an HDTV tuner box to thousands of dollars. However 10 years later it is no sweat to decode all of these signals so HDTV tuner boxes go for 200 bucks and you can get them free if they are built into the tv. By 2007 all televisions will have digital tuners.

By 2003 there was limited HDTV broadcasting. The broadcasters complained that they could not afford to broadcast in HD because very few people had television sets that could recieve an HDTV signal. Yes many people had big screen HD ready televisions but these lacked digital tuners so they could not display HD images. So broadcasters refused to broadcast in HD and people refused to buy HDTVs because there was no HD programming. So to end the stalemate JVC introduced the concept of affordable high definition with their introduction of HDV cameras. Also the FCC cracked down on the television manufacturers demanding that they build the HDTV tuners into the televisions. By 2004 Samsung introduced the worlds first affordable HDTV with a free built in ATSC tuner just in time for the Olympics selling for under 700 bucks. Also PBS launced its HD channel with an unprecedented 12 hours of HDTV programming a day. When my Mother saw my HDTV she now wants to fire the cable company and use that 40 bucks a month hat she saves for payments on a new HDTV.

My first experience with high definition was over 30 years ago when I bought my first pair of glasses. Suddenly detail could be resolved at an unprecedented level. I mean Im not blind and I could get by without my glasses but why should I go through life without sharp vision ?

John DeLuca
June 23rd, 2005, 09:18 AM
I get about 75 weddings a year(photography and videography). It seems people have a set budget no matter what you try to pitch them. Dumping extra money into equipment nobody is gonna pay you extra for, at this point, is a poor business choice.

This is a great example. I invested in two nikon D2Xs this year. 12.4 effective pixel cmos. The fact is. If people dont order large prints(say 16x20 and up) the extra resolution is thrown away(and one of the main reasons for buying the cam in the first place). On smaller prints, it looks(resoluion wise) very similar to my D70. The biggest advantage I see is time. The color on the D2X is more accurate and requires less backend work(time is money).

I have to admit the JVC 24 p 3 ccd looks interesting. Its getting there......slowly. Anyone know the low light rating on the jvc?



John

Tim Pierce
June 23rd, 2005, 09:25 AM
Sorry, I just got a chance to look at everyone's replies. Your input is greatly appreciated. I can now atleast form a list of all the things that I need. My next wedding is scheduled for July 23rd, so it's time to start shopping. The B&G are well aware that I am just starting out and they know I am priced accordingly. They still think it's a bargain for what they are going to get and are very excited.

I just spoke with the Minister of Music and he says that I can plug into the PA mixer to use the audio from their mics. He said that they have 3 wireless lavs as well as several wired mics. Maybe I can just get by with buying or borrowing one for use at the rehearsal dinner and reception, until I can afford to buy a second one. The Sen G2 looks like an excellent package.

I can't afford to buy two cameras at this point. I have a Sony DCR-TRV730, which produced high enough quality footage to earn my services for this wedding. I will probably use this camera on a tripod for all my wide angle footage. I haven't decided which model to get just yet. From what I can tell, there are several quality options (VX2000/VX2100, PD-150/PD-170, FX1). I can almost guarantee that it will be a Sony. I guess it just depends what the used market has to offer and how the prices compare to new.

The same goes for the tripod. The back camera will likely be unmanned until the very end, so I won't have a need for fluid pan and tilts. I can put it on a cheap tripod that I already have and buy a nice tripod for the nice camera that will be used for closeups. Phase 2 of my shopping spree will be the second camera, tripod, and so on.

I will definitely get a light, XLR adaptor or field mixer, extra batteries, ME-66 shotgun, various cables, and a monopod. The monopod is a must have for rehearsal dinner and receptions because even my little DCR-TRV730 was beginning to get heavy during my last wedding.

You guys are great and thanks for taking the time to point the newby in the right direction. I will continue to be a student of the industry and provide insight where I can.

Tim

Brian K Jones
June 23rd, 2005, 05:05 PM
(QUOTE)As far as the post about someone creating a way to capture HD from an DVX, the DVX has a standard def chip, so matter what they do, that will never work. You can scale the video in your NLE to do the same effect they are creating.(QUOTE)


I know this is a little off topic, but actually, they HAVE done it. The following info is from their website, www.reel-stream.com

Output*:
Color precision: 24bit, 30bit, 36bit
Sampling modes: Full-bandwidth RGB, 4:4:4 YUV, 4:4:2 YUV, 4:2:4 YUV, 4:2:2 YUV, 4:2:0 YUV, 4:0:2 YUV, 4:1:1 YUV
Frame size: 1540x990**, 1280x720** (16:9 with anamorphic adapter), 1124x720**(NTSC pixels, full optical frame), 770x492(NTSC pixels), 720x480(NTSC pixels), others user-defined
*When installed on the Panasonic AG-DVX100(P/AP). Output specs will vary with host camera hardware specs.
**In 4:4:4(YUV) or full-bandwidth RGB recording modes only.

I would say that's pretty impressive for a DVX100A, and they will probably have one out for the XL2 and other cameras soon. The naysayers can go to the website and see for themselves.

Pete Wilie
June 23rd, 2005, 07:03 PM
Those that have actually tested the PD170 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=296545&is=REG)/VX2100 against the FX-1 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=351515&is=REG) have concluded that the FX-1 low light capability does NOT match that of the PD170/VX2100. Those that question why wedding videographers are trying "to get away with no light" have obviously not shot many weddings. Sometimes you just don't have a choice.

Standard PD170 features that the FX-1 does NOT have:
1. XLR audio inputs with phantom power
2. Wide-angle lens adapter

When you add the price of a BeachTek DXA-6 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=224231&is=REG) (XLR with phantom power) and the Sony Wide-angle lens (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=details_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=355585&is=REG) to the cost of a FX-1, the FX-1 cost almost $1,000 more than the PD170 after rebate. What's more, if you shop around, you can find a PD170 or PD150 used, but in great condition, for a very good price.

Here are a couple of threads comparing the PD170/VX2100 with the FX-1:

The SONY FX-1 vs. SONY VX2100 etc. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=41982&highlight=FX-1)

Yikes! Bought PD170 - but the FX1? (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=42066&highlight=PD170)

I'm not against HD. In fact I love it, and want to start shooting it as soon as possible. But I can't make a good business case for purchasing a HDV camera primarily for wedding and event videography at this time. Sure buying a HDV will "future proof" your investment to some extent. But one needs to balance this with the standard advise of not buying any hardware until you actually need it. It will always cost less and perform better later.

One of the things that I really like about the PD150/PD170 series is that they are very tough, very rugged, well-built cameras. I understand that they are the camera of choice for many news videographers (ENG) in Iraq -- which means that they hold up well under very adverse circumstances. Unlike the Canon XL and GL series, I've not seen anyone reporting mechanical/electrical problems due to wear and tear.

IMO you'd be better off with a PD170 and putting the extra $1,000 you would have spent on the FX-1 into better audio and camera support. For example,
(1) The Sennheiser EW100 G2 series of wireless lav and handheld mic systems
(2) Good tripod and fluid head like the Bogen 501 or 503
(3) Some type of camera support/stablizer for hand-held shots. I just bought the SpiderBrace 2 and I really like it. Especially when you add a LANC lens controller like the VaraZoom Stealth.

HTH.

Art Guglielmo
June 24th, 2005, 04:20 AM
Brian,

This could start a whole topic on its own.

Do you work for them, or have you actually used this for yourself?

If you look at the chart they post on their website, the image does hit the ccd, obviously, and since there isnt enough pixels on that CCD, its scaled. The fact that they bypass the DV compression area for 4:4:4 is interesting, but then they push it out a USB 2.0. Also, how do you edit this stuff ?

Something sounds fishy here, in that you are so behind a product, that at this point is vaporware. I have never seen or heard of this thing covered ANYWHERE, and what does it cost? If ripping into your DVX with some hack job for bogus HD is a good idea to you, go for it.

Post a real clip that we can play with in FCP, and maybe someone will believe it, but posting a JPG of some guys head would not be enough for most people to buy a product like this.

Lets see some real material, and maybe someone will buy it.

Art Guglielmo
June 24th, 2005, 04:39 AM
So I guess everyone here is shooting receptions with no on-camera light. PD-150 or not, they must not look very good.

The point here was not for everyone here to dump all their equipment they have had for years, to move to HDV. It was for a newbie looking to spend his money NOW, not 5 years ago. Still seems to me alot of people with PD-150's looking to justify them not needing to spend any money on cameras they are afraid to try. I'm shooting 25-30 weddings a year, and NEVER shoot a reception without a light, but if you do, so be it.

I looked at your links, and the arguments went both ways, almost 50-50, and the ones against the HDV cams gave the same old arguments. Delivery, editing Yada, Yada Yada.

Even saw some arguments saying "Why deal with the extra hard drive space needed for HDV?", which goes to show its just un-informed people talking, because HDV uses the SAME HD storage space as DV.

If I were buying an HDV cam as my only one, I would go with the ZU-1 for the audio capabilities. I use the FX-1 for the images, because I use a separate mixer with my DVX-100a for my audio at the ceremony.

Tim Pierce
June 24th, 2005, 08:33 AM
I certainly don't mean to sound unappreciative of the recommendations to stay with SD for now, but I still don't feel overwhelmed in either direction as of yet. I don't think anyone on here will lose any sleep if I go in either direction, because ANYTHING is better than what I am using now (Sony DCR-TRV730 Digital8). If I were to go with an SD camera, I don't think it would be a PD-170. I can buy an FX1 for the same price as a new PD-170 and be better positioned for the future. I think the more appropriate choice in SD is the VX2100, simply because of the price. I just don't want to spend over $2K on a camera now while I wait for the technology to advance and become main stream. It could be a year, it could be five years. At that point, wouldn't I lose my butt if I sold the VX2100 to buy HD? I could bite the bullet and buy an FX1 for approximately the same price as a PD-170, but there seems to be conflicting opinion as to how the down converted Z1/FX1 video compares to native SD video. I know that it's a viable option to distribute video in HD at this point, but the Z1/FX1 is capable of shooting in SD mode although I haven't heard much about the quality of SD mode video. I would like shoot in HD and down convert in post. That way, I would have an HDV copy of the footage in case a client wanted an HD copy in the future. Maybe I should post a thread under the appropriate topic. If someone on this forum has one of these HD cameras and can offer a first hand comparison, that would be great.

Art Guglielmo
June 24th, 2005, 12:54 PM
I have the FX-1, and use Final Cut 5 to edit it. Whatever specific info you need, I can let you know.

I also have a DVX-100a and XL-2, so I come from both ends of this, SD and HD.

Tommy James
June 24th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Well for one thing there are HDV cameras available for $2000. The JVC GR-HD1 lists for $3500 but is available on the street for less than $2000. The new Sony compact HDV camera lists for $2000 and should be available on the street for a 10 percent discount. I don't think HDV cameras are mainstream yet but retail outlets are starting to stock these products. However HD televisions while maybe not mainstream as far as garage sales are concerned are definitely mainstream in the new television market. An HD built in television is the first choice of any consumer willing to pay $500 or more for a television set.

Analog television is dying. The FCC is cracking down and forcing the transition to Digital television. By the end of 2006 all analog television broadcasting will cease and the analog spectrum will be sold for 70 billion dollars. Some have predicted rioting in the streets but this wont happen because 85 percent of the homes will have to have digital tuners. So the government if they want their money will provide free digital tuners or rebates on digital televisions.

Analog television is dying. By 2007 the FCC mandates that all televisions 13 inches and above will have to have digital tuners built in or bundled in a package deal. Most people if forced to buy a digital television will be tempted to go all the way with a high definition television.

So how can anyone say that digital television is just a fad or a gimmick? Digital television while it is not necessarily high definition is in fact the delivery mechanism for high definition television.

Brian K Jones
June 24th, 2005, 07:14 PM
(QUOTE) Something sounds fishy here, in that you are so behind a product, that at this point is vaporware. I have never seen or heard of this thing covered ANYWHERE, and what does it cost? If ripping into your DVX with some hack job for bogus HD is a good idea to you, go for it. (QUOTE)

Your are right, Art, this could start a whole new topic, and I by no means am trying to claim that this companies product is for everyone. I am surprised, however, that so many in this community are unfamiliar with this Co. and their product. They were a hit at this years NAB. They were Videosystems Magazine pick hit at NAB for 2005. They have had other press as well. I have peers who at NAB saw firsthand what these guys can do, that's how I first became familiar with thier product. You are more than entitled to your opinion that it is bogus HD installed by a hack job. I know many, including myself, who consider HDV to be bogus HD, it's all a matter of perspective. I don't expect those who are investing heavily in HDV to embrace something like the Andromeda hardware and SculptorHD software this Co. is developing. But nevertheless, it shows the potential of other affordable means of high quality SD and HD acquisition in the future, and UNCOMPRESSED. But it all boils down to one's needs, budget and final destination for their project.

Tim Pierce
July 18th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. Without you guys, I would certainly have been thrown to the wolves. I just thought I'd give an update as to what items I finally ordered. I have alot of work to do this week to get familiar with my equipment before the wedding this weekend. I purchased the camera used from a guy in the region. Everything else was ordered from one of our sponsors, B&H. Here's what I have purchased.

1. Sony FX1 (used) $2600, less than 4 hours use

2. Sony DVM-63HD 63 Minutes Mini DV HD Video Cassette

3. Bogen / Manfrotto 525MVB Lightweight 2-Stage Professional Video Tripod Legs (Black) with 3460 (503) Pro Video Head, 75mm Half Ball & Softcase - Supports 13.2 lbs

4. Bogen / Manfrotto 531SPRB Mid-Level Spreader (Black) - for 515MV and 525MV Tripods

5. Bogen / Manfrotto 565 Rubber Shoes (Set of 3) - for Spiked Feet

6. Bogen / Manfrotto 682B (3231) Professional Monopod (Detachable Legs) (Black) - Supports 26.40 lb (12 kg)

7. Bogen / Manfrotto 3229 Swivel Tilt Monopod Head with Quick Release - Supports 6.00 lb (2.72 kg)

8.Bogen / Manfrotto 522 Camera Remote Control Handle for Sony - fits the 501, 503, 505, 510 and 516 Fluid Heads REG

9. Sony NP-F970, L-series, Info-Lithium, Battery Pack (7.2v, 6600mAh)

10.Sony BC-V615 Portable AC Charger - for L Series Lithium-Ion Batteries

11. General Brand 72mm UV Protector Filter - Glass

12.Beachtek DXA-4 Audio Adapter - for Sony DCR-VX1000, VX2000 and VX2100 Camcorders

13.Sennheiser Evolution G2 100 Series - Camera Mountable UHF Wireless Lavalier and Plug-On Bundle with EK100G2 Receiver, SKP100G2 Plug-On Transmitter, SK100G2 BodyPack Transmitter and ME2 Microphone (B 626-662 MHz)

I am going to try to do without a light for now. I just got Vegas 6.0, but am still in need of DVD Architect 3.0. I am currently using DVD Architect 1.0. I am also going to attempt to borrow a handheld microphone for ambient audio and plug into the audio board when possible for close up audio. Until I can afford another camera and tripod, I'm going to have to use my Sony DCR-TRV730 (Digital8) for wide angle cuts. I hate to do it, but I think I can pull it off. If anyone can think of anything else I need to get to make the above work, feel free to comment. I don't want to get to the wedding and realize that something is missing. Thanks a bunch!