I have a Sony MiniDV Head Cleaner that I've used on another camcorder a few times. I am using Panasonic MiniDV's for recording on the Canon XL2. Can I use the Sony Head Cleaner on my Canon XL2, or should I purchase a new one and does it have to be made by Panasonic since the recording DV's are made by the same?

Lucinda,

It doesn't make any difference what head cleaner tape you choose to use. They are not camera specific as far as I know.....

It is very important to clean the heads on a regular basis. I witnessed the lack of this maintenence very recently. I was hired to shoot with the producer's cam and it wouldn't play back anything but a blue screen.
I was very new to PROCONSUMER cams and had no clue as to what the problem might be. Thankfully, I had brought a manual for his camera, and finally determined that his camera had a head clog. Anyhow, I did a lot of fast-forwarding and fast-rewinds to try and clean the heads and it finally worked. We were able to finish the shoot and the producer bought a Mini-DV head cleaner tape the next day.

Good wishes,

Stephanie

Hi Stephanie
Thanks for the answer.

There are filmmakers on this Forum who say that you shouldn't clean the heads unless you absolutely have to because that too wears them down, so I'm not sure which is correct. And, there are people who recommend that you use the same brand tape from the very start of cam usage, which I'm doing, and so I thought that the head cleaner should be the same brand as well.

Lucinda

It is very important to clean the heads on a regular basis.
I would have to respectfully disagree with that statment. The heads should be cleaned only when they need it, especially with cleaning tapes. Those tapes are like fine sandpaper. The heads are worn with each cleaning. It is very easy to do damage with too much cleaning.

Only clean the heads when there is an apparent--visual--reason to do so. They will last far longer this way!

Jay

Thanks Jay.

I didn't mention your name, but read your post last night about this.

This is what I've heard from a number of people.

If I ever do need to clean the heads, shouldn't I use the same brand, in this case, Panasonic, the same brand that I'm using for shooting? or does that matter? does it matter if I've used the head cleaning tape on another cam?

Thanks for your imput!

Lucinda

Lucinda, I use the same brand. It may or may not make a diffrence, but why risk it?

As far using the head cleaner on another camera is concerned, that shouldn't be an issue, as the "used" cleaner tape is wound onto the spool just like tape. So the tape doing the actual cleaning is always "fresh." Once the entire tape is used, toss it.

Jay

Just be sure to use the correct 'type'. I am not sure if the Sony cleaning tapes are 'dry'. If they are 'wet', Canon does not recommend using it in the XL2. Use only 'dry' type cleaning tapes.

I use Panasonic tapes as well, but I have not found a Panasonic cleaner. I read that it is recommended to do a very light cleaning before your first shoot to eliminate factory dust on the heads (I guess) so before my first professional shoot with the XL2 I went hunting for a cleaner and could only find ONE within an hour's drive. It stupidly didn't indicate wet or dry, so I stupidly tried it anyway. It immediately got eaten by the tape mechanism, got caught in the camera, and I blew a gasket in my cerebral cortex. I managed very gingerly to extract the 'cleaner', and did the shoot anyway with no problems. It was a few hours away, so on the way home I stopped at a larger distributor where I was able to pick up a 'dry' Maxell cleaner with which I have had no problems.

The problem with only using the cleaner only when you need it is that sometimes you might not know when that is until after you have already recorded all those 'once in a lifetime moments'. The camera does indicate when you need to clean the heads if they get really dirty, but I am not sure how it does with light buildup that may cause intermittent dropouts that could cause havoc on the job.

What I have read (and I'm not sure if it is accurate) is to perhaps run the cleaner after every 10 to 15 hours of tape wear. Maybe more often if you are using recycled tapes. Run it for perhaps 5 seconds- no more, as indicated in earlier posts, the cleaner runs across the heads like fine sandpaper and performs a necessary evil, just don't indulge too much or your heads will perform like a burned out toothless wino after a 2 day 'dry spell'.

Good luck.
-Jon

10 to 15 hours is a reasonable amount of time. I also clean before any shoot where I know that reshooting won't be possible (such as events). Sticking with one brand of tape is highly recommended although I have interspersed a few Maxell tapes in with all my TDK's and never experienced any issues.

-gb-

Well, I think I'll contact Canon because I'm getting mucho mixed messages on this one. You can get Panasonic head cleaning tapes from zotzdigital.com and ask for Brian, he's the best I've found in terms of a company worth working with.

Thanks all for your imput. I'll let you know what support at Canon says about to clean or not to clean frequently.

Cheers!

Lucinda

If they are 'wet', Canon does not recommend using it in the XL2.
This is not the first time I've seen this here. But I've never seen it from Canon--not the manual, not on their site. So where is this information coming from?

If the tape cleaners are lubed like the video tape then it stands to reason to use the same brand of cleaner tape as your video tape. The cleaner tapes being lubed doesn't make sense to me, because the cleaner should be "cleaning" out the lubricant as well as tape particles, but I could be wrong.

Jay

Agree with Jay.

I've never heard of any difference between Sony and Panasonic *cleaning* tapes. In fact even though I shoot only Panasonic DV cassettes, the cleaning tape that I've had all along is a Sony. Never had a problem. I wouldn't since shooting brands (clean the heads if you do), but there's only one formulation for a cleaning cassette that I'm aware of.

This is not the first time I've seen this here. But I've never seen it from Canon--not the manual, not on their site. So where is this information coming from?



XL2 manual - page 110:

"To maintain the best picture quality, we recommend cleaning the video heads frequently with the Canon DVM-CL Digital Video Head Cleaning Cassette or a commercially available dry cleaning cassette"

"Do not use wet type cleaning cassettes as this may damage the camcorder."


I'm pretty sure that is the appropriate information for the issue in question.

-Jon

I use the sony head clening tape in my DSR11 and the Panny head cleaning tape in my XL2.

Thanks!

I only use the dry tapes not the wet. I was just interested in seeing whether to use the same brand or any brand and it seems that the consensus is that it makes no difference. Thanks again!

Lucinda

"To maintain the best picture quality, we recommend cleaning the video heads frequently with the Canon DVM-CL Digital Video Head Cleaning Cassette or a commercially available dry cleaning cassette"

"Do not use wet type cleaning cassettes as this may damage the camcorder."


OK, dry type cleaning is best. So I'm back to the same point I was in selecting "dry lubricant" tapes: Which are dry and which are wet?

I've got a JVC miniDV "Digital Video Cleaning Cassette" that I picked up some time ago for my JVC palm-cam. I was going to use it on my XL2 'til this came up. Do I order a Canon dry cleaning tape or does someone know whether JVC cleaning tapes are dry or wet?

Where in the heck is that Easy button?

XL2 manual - page 110:

"To maintain the best picture quality, we recommend cleaning the video heads frequently with the Canon DVM-CL Digital Video Head Cleaning Cassette or a commercially available dry cleaning cassette"

"Do not use wet type cleaning cassettes as this may damage the camcorder."


I'm pretty sure that is the appropriate information for the issue in question.

-Jon

Jon, "cleaning frequently" is relative. Why clean the heads if they don't need it?

The "wet type cleaning" that's referring to is cleaning systems that use "liquid from a bottle--a solvent" as part of the cleaning process. I've seen these and would never suggest such a system for a video camera. The Sony, JVC, and Panasonic cleaning tapes are "dry" because no fluids are used in the process.

Jay

Jay,

You are, in fact, the MAN.

Or at least someone I can blame if the JVC Cleaning Tape gunks up my XL2. ; )

Thanks Jay,
I was actually just quoting from the manual - as an earlier post asked where it was stated thusly in the manual. Sorry you didn't catch that.

I agree that 'frequently' is certainly a relative term - It is unfortuanate that the manual and other Canon resources don't tend to elaborate on such details.

As far actual relative need of cleansing, there are numeous posts and threads throughout the forum that offer more insightful information.
-Jon

Do you hit play or record when you use the cleaning tape?

Do you hit play or record when you use the cleaning tape?
You hit "Record" to clean the recording heads.

Jay

You hit "Record" to clean the recording heads.

Jay

What? The Canon cleaning tape instructions says clearly: "Press the PLAY button ..."

The record button magnetizes (i.e., records on) the tape, and can't see any reason how that would improve the cleaning effect.

I've told this before, but a friend of mine borrowed (back in 1998) my XL1 and recorded the whole cleaning tape at once for he thought it was an ordinary tape. I was bit nervous whether the video heads were damaged, but the camcorder is still working just fine although the nominal 1500 hours of the heads have already been exceeded some time ago. (The Canon maintenance told once that the video heads last about 1500 hours.)

Thanks Lauri! we need to feel we're getting the right info here. I thought it was the Play button..... thanks for jogging my memory.

Lucinda

I stand corrected!

Jay

I had no idea that there was a dry and wet head cleaner tape option available. Good info. I will check the Panasonic web site for my DVX-100A or make a call to them.

I encourage all of us to use these resources. We "paid" for them when we bought their equipment. Yes?

Many happy shoots,

Stephanie