Hi all
so much talk 5d versus 7 D
full frame or 7D
5 D DOF as a must and so much .....talk
please keep in mind
The Hurt Locker was made with two
16 mm ...where I do come from and still love it
and one proprietary highspeed hightech monster cam...
With an Arri or Aaton 16 mm quite the same
format as to be found in a D7 I've never heard
any complaint regarding DOF, the Oscar does proofs the pudding.
Productions on 16 mm are a legend and to be fast and portable it still exist.....
well a D7 is not an Aaton but please dont tell me to work
whith such a lady is more comfortable like a today DSLR.
the look OK.......but just carry a full blown Arri or Aaton
16 mm with u ....and post production...there are no flascards......

so DOF oh ....

16mm on a 7D...nicely narrowed down to 25.6 mm...and I can't get any further back off this dangerous mountain ledge to get all the waterfall in.

Same scenario with a 16mm matched to a 5D Mark II...WOW...full-wide Buona Vista! :)

Full frame has many advantages above and beyond using wide aperture lenses for thin DOF.

Just as 1.6X crop cameras have other plus points such as adding perceived length to telephoto lenses and using motion-film lenses, etc.

Life is full of advantages, but rarely do we need to bother which camera someone else is using and whether it does equal, better, or worse than the one in our own hands; because the most important thing is that the camera we use performs how we want it to and are satisfied with the end results.

please dont tell me to work
whith such a lady is more comfortable like a today DSLR.

hehe.. who told you that??!

Lady, for so many years I thought I'd never find you...
You have come into my life and made me whole...
Forever let me wake to see you each and every morning...
Let me hear you whisper softly in my ear

Reg, DOF has little to do with it. For the price of a roll of Kodak 7219, a bit of processing and a telecine, you can buy a 7D and a bunch of very nice lenses. I say that as someone who shoots for Kodak...

16mm still has shallow focus ability relative to the 1/3" HDV cams that a lot of 7d owners used to shoot with. I believe 16mm is comparable to 2/3" sensors.

Yes:

16mm = 2/3" Sensor
35mm (film) = 7D
65/70mm (panavision) = 5D II


Daniel

Reg, DOF has little to do with it. For the price of a roll of Kodak 7219, a bit of processing and a telecine, you can buy a 7D and a bunch of very nice lenses. I say that as someone who shoots for Kodak...

Blimey Liam, where are you buying your stock?!
When shooting Super 16 we always used to reckon around £200 per roll for stock, dev and 1 light telecine. You'd need a few to get a 7D and lenses.
Steve

Jeez! I just realised that I actually thought Reggie was talking about 16mm lenses and not 16mm film stock! I must be getting old, or just finding it difficult to decipher Bordeaux-to-Bangkok pigeon English.
Forgive me, Reg... :)

Jeez! I just realised that I actually thought Reggie was talking about 16mm lenses and not 16mm film stock! I must be getting old, or just finding it difficult to decipher Bordeaux-to-Bangkok pigeon English.
Forgive me, Reg... :)

Yes, when I read the first two posts in this thread, I thought I was developing a case of adult onset dyslexia. I was like "Huh?" It's all starting to make sense now.

Blimey Liam, where are you buying your stock?!
When shooting Super 16 we always used to reckon around £200 per roll for stock, dev and 1 light telecine. You'd need a few to get a 7D and lenses.
Steve

I didn't say how long the reel was:)

bah this is weekend fun talk
I do love the 7D and the 5D too,
maybe a D1 chip full format with big, big pixels and a 7D
electronics could be a dream machine, but never shows up
marketing tragedy...huuu
for gorilla film making and I will never ever sell my Aaton,
wooden grips....even the telecine work can be expensive, uhhhhh
go on the zacuto page and lok this movie, it is not unbiased, sure, but
it shows 35 mm film latitude , no match, rendering of details, yet,
the 5 and the 7 are very very damm close.

the workflow got very easy,
I'm not talking about something like the next photoshop u can get
litter away or an unwanted ??? tree even as a dummy. grrrrrr

have the reels processed and a look to the result takes time,
it is laid back, today it has to be fast, all in a hurry
for a tiny low buget crew, to have a tool
dammed near to 35mm for a fraction of price and u can carry around
that puts for me all discussion to an end.

If I attach my DSLR to a ballow like the cambo or silvestri cam,
I can have a look no postpro can create.

same if I take a pl mount adaptor to have my Angenieux on a DSLR,
it is not a high grade 2010 prime, it has charm, it is warm
it is like music and hifi a big difference.

There are hard tech facts and film is like fashion,
illusion, I do belive in this since 25 years.
gina
sorry for the typos it is late

Typos? You type a damn sight better when you're tired, Gina! Even this old fart can understand you now. :)

I still love the old cameras, and a lot of new-breed wonders have their long list of faults, but they get the job done at a fraction of the costs...and it's far better than spending months in the cutting room.