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Luke Gates
December 24th, 2010, 08:23 PM
been using magic lantern for a while now and loving it! I have the most recent update. On the magic lantern page it reads that a feature is kelvin white balance in video mode. I REALLY want this, but I'm not seeing it anywhere in the menu. Anyone have any input?

Luke Gates
December 24th, 2010, 10:53 PM
Also, every time I power down the camera all the magic lantern settings I use get reset. There a way for it to remember your preferred settings?

Sam Kanter
December 25th, 2010, 04:13 PM
been using magic lantern for a while now and loving it! I have the most recent update. On the magic lantern page it reads that a feature is kelvin white balance in video mode. I REALLY want this, but I'm not seeing it anywhere in the menu. Anyone have any input?

Anyone know the status of the 60D version?

Luke Gates
December 26th, 2010, 03:06 PM
anyone have any input? I really would enjoy kelvin white balance in video mode!

Luke Gates
December 26th, 2010, 06:59 PM
installed the update from December 2004, has kelvin white balance in video mode. SO AMAZING!!

Daniel Raebiger
January 28th, 2011, 04:42 AM
where?! i am unable to find it either!

Colin Rowe
January 28th, 2011, 05:09 AM
Latest builds here. http://groups.google.com/group/ml-devel/browse_thread/thread/cf488f4001ed4c3d/6524eda943eecdcf?show_docid=6524eda943eecdcf.
This build is better, as the screen clears to adjust WB, shutter and iso

David A. Ludwig
January 28th, 2011, 10:24 AM
"save config" on the "debug" tab of ml.

Chris Barcellos
January 28th, 2011, 10:38 AM
For the Canon T2i/550d Alex and company are rolling out two or three versions a day, for testers. Right now the emphasis is on trying to solve HDMI monitoring issues, to get crop marks, zebras, and other overlay items to report properly on the HDMI screen. Some of the new versions of Jan 26, 2011 may not be as stable as the Jan 22 version, that I am currently running. One of my favorite things in the current build I am using is the pop up false colors, that is invoked by pressing the flash button while in movie mode.

On the Canon 5 D front, AJ Newman is developing a radical new Magic Lantern version that changes the whole screen layout, and has popup focusing aid and, once again, false colors for exposure aids.

Russ Ivey
January 28th, 2011, 12:08 PM
Chris, can you elaborate on what you mean by "false colors"? What does this feature do exactly and what does it show?

Ger Griffin
January 28th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Im very excited about the auto restart. hopefully no more 12 min record limit. Testing it right now.
Also the WB can be triggered to go auto and then press set for manual finetune. Fantastic.
I must look into false colours myself. Focus peak is also a great feature for on the fly stuff.
Dont forget to donate something to these guys if you are a pro and avail of ML.

Ger Griffin
January 28th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Well i just continuosly recorded for 1hr 24mins before my (third party) battery ran out.
There is only a very small time gap in between each 4gb clip (less than a second i reckon).
Happy days.

James Strange
January 31st, 2011, 09:55 PM
hang on, the new ML for 550d allows for continuous recording? auto restarts every 12 mins?

Russ Ivey
February 1st, 2011, 07:47 AM
I'm interested in knowing more about the continuous recording thing myself. If it "auto restarts", does that mean that it really isn't continuous? I mean, wouldn't it still separate the videos out and potentially have a small/quick gap between the two recordings?

James Donnelly
February 2nd, 2011, 04:34 AM
I'm interested in knowing more about the continuous recording thing myself. If it "auto restarts", does that mean that it really isn't continuous? I mean, wouldn't it still separate the videos out and potentially have a small/quick gap between the two recordings?

Separate files. 1-2 second gap. There isn't enough memory available to buffer the video in the gap because of the camera's high bit rate.

Ger Griffin
February 2nd, 2011, 07:41 AM
On examining the files on the card after continuous recording each file is 3.9 gb in size. So i assume the 4 gb limit was reached before the 12 minute limit in every case.
I was pointing camera at a tv screen.

Russ Ivey
February 2nd, 2011, 07:52 AM
Gotcha, thanks for that information

James Donnelly
February 2nd, 2011, 09:12 AM
On examining the files on the card after continuous recording each file is 3.9 gb in size. So i assume the 4 gb limit was reached before the 12 minute limit in every case.
I was pointing camera at a tv screen.

They are one and the same thing. 4gb = 12 minutes because codec is set up to do CBR so it's predictable what length you'll get..

Setting the qscale in magic lantern to a lower value lets you record much longer - over half an hour if you don't mind the quality loss. You can choose a good trade off that suits you between clip length and quality. Qscale means going over to VBR, so it is not possible to determine the maximum clip length for a given setting, because it depends on the complexity of the images being recorded.

It seems Canon were not expecting Magic Lantern to achieve this ability, because while the 29 minute limit does exist in 640x480 mode (tax reasons), it has not been applied in 1080 mode :)

Ger Griffin
February 2nd, 2011, 02:25 PM
Thanks for that James.
Could you tell me James what qscale value equates approx. to the default CBR bitrate from Canon?

James Strange
February 3rd, 2011, 06:07 PM
So is the continious recording feature in the latest stable version of Magic Lantern?

This almost sounds too good to be true

I was just about to buy a small camcorder to leave up the back, but with ML I can just use my 550d?

too good to be true?

Colin Rowe
February 3rd, 2011, 06:17 PM
It is not totally continous recording, there is a gap of about 1.5 seconds before the next clip starts recording. I tested this with a digital stopwatch, so beware if you are syncing 2 cameras. Its to long a gap to use for anything like a wedding ceremony, but still very handy for a lot of uses. The 29 min 59 second limit does apply to 1080 clips. I have tried all the lower minus settings and every clip is exactly 29 mins 59 seconds long. Simply go to the last frame of the clip to get the length of it.

Colin Rowe
February 3rd, 2011, 06:21 PM
Thanks for that James.
Could you tell me James what qscale value equates approx. to the default CBR bitrate from Canon?

-1: 8.8 Mb/s
-2: 9.6 Mb/s
-3: 11.8 Mb/s
-4: 13.9 Mb/s
-5: 15.0 Mb/s
-6: 17.1 Mb/s
-7: 21.0 Mb/s
-8: 24.3 Mb/s
-9: 29.6 Mb/s
-10: 35.3 Mb/s
-11: 42.0 Mb/s
-12: 48.0 Mb/s
-13: 56.3 Mb/s
-14: 64.2 Mb/s (flashes overheating icon and stops recording after 2 seconds)
-15: 67.5 Mb/s (flashes overheating icon and stops recording after 2 seconds)
-16: 86.7 Mb/s (flashes overheating icon and stops recording after 2 seconds)


Hope this helps

James Strange
February 3rd, 2011, 07:48 PM
thats great to know, i would use the 550d ad a c-cam up the back of the church, getting a wide, so I can deal with the 2 sec gap between 12min / 4gig clips.,

Now to install ML on my 550d,

is the continious rec feature in the latest stable version? I dont see it mentioned on th page

550D - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/550D)


?

Chris Barcellos
February 3rd, 2011, 09:25 PM
Chris, can you elaborate on what you mean by "false colors"? What does this feature do exactly and what does it show?

Russ, sorry I missed your query earlier.

False colors is another way of judging proper exposure. Advanced monitors and cameras have this feature. I first ran into on my Marshall monitor, and found it resolve a lot problems with trying to guess how the image was going to be exposed. Essentially it converts the image into zones of lighting that tell you what a particular part of the image is being exposed at in IRE.

The zones break down as shown on the attached chart. I understand that you want your lighter faces to come in around 55 to 60. You want to keep your images out the red because of clipping, and also out of fushcia to avoid loss of shadow detail.

While in ML and using movie mode, you just have to press and hold the flash button on the top left of the prism housing.

Ger Griffin
February 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM
It really is great guys isn't it. There hasnt been a very big deal made out of continuos record.
I suppose it hasnt been a big deal for movie makers.
But for us event guys, its a game changer.

Thanks for the bitrate breakdown Colin.

This is the latest version as far as im aware, stable too.
Magic Lantern 0.2.0 RC1 for 550D firmware 1.0.9 - Magic Lantern firmware development | Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/ml-devel/browse_thread/thread/850ec268bc883ceb/1d73697689bc4a8a?show_docid=1d73697689bc4a8a)

Ger Griffin
February 4th, 2011, 10:16 AM
False colours looks like something worth familiarizing myself with. Thanks Chris

James Donnelly
February 6th, 2011, 10:01 AM
It is not totally continous recording, there is a gap of about 1.5 seconds before the next clip starts recording. I tested this with a digital stopwatch, so beware if you are syncing 2 cameras. Its to long a gap to use for anything like a wedding ceremony, but still very handy for a lot of uses. The 29 min 59 second limit does apply to 1080 clips. I have tried all the lower minus settings and every clip is exactly 29 mins 59 seconds long. Simply go to the last frame of the clip to get the length of it.

I can confirm the 29.59 limit applies to my 550d too, despite earlier claiming that the clip length restriction did not apply to 1080p recording.

I was basing my statement on the Trammell Hudson interview where he made the comment that this was the case. I guess he must have been referring to the behaviour of the 5d.

Thane Silliker
February 6th, 2011, 12:35 PM
Using the Jan 22 build myself and really love ML. Simply amazing. Have toyed with a few of the features, but really wanted to kill AGC first. Will probably get a Juiced Link to keep in camera gain low.

Chris Barcellos
February 9th, 2011, 07:33 PM
Follow up on False Colors:

In the first addition of false colors, in order to get proper false color readings, we were told we had to press the play back button once. Then exit. I thought that had been fixed but it appears not. So after staring ML, and before actually using, just hit the play button (>) once and exit it, and your false colors will be a go for the session.