Simon Birchall
August 6th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Hi There.
I'm currently working on a project that was filmed in difficult low light conditions.
A mix of grey backgrounds, fairly high iso grain as well as spots of overexposure due
to the nature of the lighting don't help matters.
After initially writing some of the footage off as unusable I found that I really did
need to use some of it to complete the project.
So I began to try various ways to improve the footage.
Luckily Firstlight came to my aid.
My current work flow is:-
Do my entire edit using the native 5D files in premiere. Getting all the timing, cuts and
sound exactly how I want them, with only the most basic regard to image quality.
Then I begin to swap out all the edited clips. Importing the individual 5D clips into Aftereffects.
Adding a touch of high pass filter and Denoising all in 32bit.
Then I render out as a 12 bit Cineform 444 file using trillions of colours and the quality
set to absolute maximum. ( Overkill sure, but I can't see a reason not to as hard disk space
is so cheap these days ). The 444 clips ending up replacing all the native 5D clips.
I get large files of course, but as the clips are all pre-edited I'm basically only ending up
with high quality master clips.
I then do the vast majority of my light level and colour correction in Firstlight.
And I have to say, considering how poor some of the images originally were they've come out
quite usable now.
One thing I have found with Firstlight is that adjusting the exposure level at all seems to
produce blocky artifacting quite rapidly.
However, if I don't touch the exposure but just use just gamma, gain, lift etc I can brighten
the image an astonishing amount without it breaking up to much.
Anybody know why this is ?
And finally getting to the reason I started this post I have two issues with Firstlight.
The first and most anoying is that Firstlight regularly freezes up when dealing with the
444 files. I don't get this with the standard 422 files just the 444 ones.
I can import the file, do my corrections, then see the results playing in media player etc.
However, once I've played the file in media player or Aftereffects etc and return to
Firstlight. The video image simply greys out. Reselecting the clip has no effect, it
just remains grey.
I then have to close Firstlight down, reopen and select the file again. Luckily it retains
all the corrections previously made and functions normally until I play the clip elsewhere
where upon the image greys out again.
Is this a known fault with Firstlight and 444 files ?? Has anyone seen this before.
I've reinstalled Cineform a couple of times and the results are the same. 422 works fine.
Anyone any ideas.
I can work round this, but it would be nice not to have to keep on closing and reopening
the program.
The second, though much more minor, issue I have is with cpu usage.
If I simply open and play a 5D file in media player my cpu usage hovers around the 1.5 - 2.5%
mark ( probably using the gpu for decompressing ?)
If I play a Cineform 444 file, the cpu usage jumps to 30 - 35%. Not a problem, it's four or five
times the size of the original 5D file and I think purely cpu processed.
However, if I use Firstlight on a file there's a big jump in cpu usage. The more adjustments used
the greater the usage. Add a couple of scopes, do some corrections and suddenly if I play that 444
clip in media player I'm seeing 70 - 80% cpu usage.
I'm just wondering if that's normal.
It's not a problem for me because I'm not actually editing in 444 but almost using the original
5D files as a proxy, and only using the 444 files at the end of the process.
I'm sure there are better ways of doing all this, but so far the results have been very good
and I'm very happy all things considered with the images I'm getting.
However, I would imagine if you were editing with 444 files in HD or larger, with several layers
and using Firstlight you'd need some very serious hardware to run it all.
It's funny that I originally bought into Cineform so that I could edit HDV more easily, and now
those 5D files that proved such a pig to edit with at first run so smoothly and easily they have
become my proxies to Cineform.
Sure my editing computer's well past it's best now, but it's still an Intel quad core running at 4 gighz,
which is reasonably pokey, if no match for a new high spec i7. And I'm just suprised to see how
much power is needed to run 444 and Firstlight.
Again is this considered normal, or do I need to look into system issues.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks
Simon
I'm currently working on a project that was filmed in difficult low light conditions.
A mix of grey backgrounds, fairly high iso grain as well as spots of overexposure due
to the nature of the lighting don't help matters.
After initially writing some of the footage off as unusable I found that I really did
need to use some of it to complete the project.
So I began to try various ways to improve the footage.
Luckily Firstlight came to my aid.
My current work flow is:-
Do my entire edit using the native 5D files in premiere. Getting all the timing, cuts and
sound exactly how I want them, with only the most basic regard to image quality.
Then I begin to swap out all the edited clips. Importing the individual 5D clips into Aftereffects.
Adding a touch of high pass filter and Denoising all in 32bit.
Then I render out as a 12 bit Cineform 444 file using trillions of colours and the quality
set to absolute maximum. ( Overkill sure, but I can't see a reason not to as hard disk space
is so cheap these days ). The 444 clips ending up replacing all the native 5D clips.
I get large files of course, but as the clips are all pre-edited I'm basically only ending up
with high quality master clips.
I then do the vast majority of my light level and colour correction in Firstlight.
And I have to say, considering how poor some of the images originally were they've come out
quite usable now.
One thing I have found with Firstlight is that adjusting the exposure level at all seems to
produce blocky artifacting quite rapidly.
However, if I don't touch the exposure but just use just gamma, gain, lift etc I can brighten
the image an astonishing amount without it breaking up to much.
Anybody know why this is ?
And finally getting to the reason I started this post I have two issues with Firstlight.
The first and most anoying is that Firstlight regularly freezes up when dealing with the
444 files. I don't get this with the standard 422 files just the 444 ones.
I can import the file, do my corrections, then see the results playing in media player etc.
However, once I've played the file in media player or Aftereffects etc and return to
Firstlight. The video image simply greys out. Reselecting the clip has no effect, it
just remains grey.
I then have to close Firstlight down, reopen and select the file again. Luckily it retains
all the corrections previously made and functions normally until I play the clip elsewhere
where upon the image greys out again.
Is this a known fault with Firstlight and 444 files ?? Has anyone seen this before.
I've reinstalled Cineform a couple of times and the results are the same. 422 works fine.
Anyone any ideas.
I can work round this, but it would be nice not to have to keep on closing and reopening
the program.
The second, though much more minor, issue I have is with cpu usage.
If I simply open and play a 5D file in media player my cpu usage hovers around the 1.5 - 2.5%
mark ( probably using the gpu for decompressing ?)
If I play a Cineform 444 file, the cpu usage jumps to 30 - 35%. Not a problem, it's four or five
times the size of the original 5D file and I think purely cpu processed.
However, if I use Firstlight on a file there's a big jump in cpu usage. The more adjustments used
the greater the usage. Add a couple of scopes, do some corrections and suddenly if I play that 444
clip in media player I'm seeing 70 - 80% cpu usage.
I'm just wondering if that's normal.
It's not a problem for me because I'm not actually editing in 444 but almost using the original
5D files as a proxy, and only using the 444 files at the end of the process.
I'm sure there are better ways of doing all this, but so far the results have been very good
and I'm very happy all things considered with the images I'm getting.
However, I would imagine if you were editing with 444 files in HD or larger, with several layers
and using Firstlight you'd need some very serious hardware to run it all.
It's funny that I originally bought into Cineform so that I could edit HDV more easily, and now
those 5D files that proved such a pig to edit with at first run so smoothly and easily they have
become my proxies to Cineform.
Sure my editing computer's well past it's best now, but it's still an Intel quad core running at 4 gighz,
which is reasonably pokey, if no match for a new high spec i7. And I'm just suprised to see how
much power is needed to run 444 and Firstlight.
Again is this considered normal, or do I need to look into system issues.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks
Simon