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C.S. Michael
January 9th, 2012, 06:28 PM
The official press release:

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Panasonic today announces the new full-High Definition (HD) HC-X900M camcorder, which can record 1920 x 1080, 60 progressive, and builds on the success of last year's HDC-HS900 by adding the new 3MOS System Pro to help achieve dramatic increases in performance thanks to a re-engineering of all the core imaging components: the lens, sensor and engine. Panasonic's 3MOS System Pro is a next-generation imaging system that powers the HC-X900M to produce bright, outstanding video even under dim lighting, while also minimizing noise. Plus, with professional-like features such as a manual ring, a 5.1-channel surround sound, an advanced Optical Image Stabilization (O.I.S) system called Hybrid O.I.S. +, the HC-X900M is a feature-rich camcorder with endless capabilities.

For those looking to start exploring the third dimension in video, the HC-X900M can also shoot full-HD 3D (in the AVCHD 3D format) with the new optional conversion 3D lens, the VW-CLT2, which is smaller than last year's model (VW-CLT1) and has an increased brightness from F3.2 to F2.0. In addition, the new VW-CLT2 has 1.5x digital zooming.

"The Panasonic HC-X900M is the company's top-of-the-line camcorder with so many important features that help it produce stunning, true-to-life videos, whether that means color accuracy, correct lighting, and with it's full-HD 3D capabilities, it can even add a third dimension to truly bring the videos to life," said Chris Rice, Senior Product Manager, Imaging, Panasonic Consumer Marketing Company of North America. "Panasonic has really improved the core components of the HC-X900M, from its lens to its processor to its engine to ensure that it can power full 1080/60p at a 28-Mbps bit rate, thus resulting in absolutely stunning video, but also capturing rich deep sound."

Panasonic maximized the advanced technologies that it has accumulated over the years and succeeded in shifting the green MOS sensor of the red, green and blue MOS sensors by half a pixel, thus helping to achieve more life-like colors, detail and gradation. Thanks to the advanced 3MOS sensor's unique pixel shift technology that runs at high speed and with superb accuracy, the HC-X900M further reduces noise by 40% when compared to last year's HDC-HS900/TM900. The HC-X900M's new Crystal Engine Pro II can achieve high-speed processing that is approximately equivalent to four times the pixel count of full-HD pixels, thus producing superb full-HD image quality, even in the most detailed images.

The HC-X900M features a bright F1.5, 12x optical zoom and 29.8mm wide-angle LEICA DICOMAR lens, meaning it allows for a wider-framed shot, which is convenient when shooting wide landscapes and large groups of people. The lens also features a new Nano Surface Coating Technology, which dramatically reduces ghosting and flaring. With an Octagon Iris Diaphragm, the user can apply a defocusing effect, so it is possible to shoot at a close distance from the subject while fitting both the subject and the surrounding area into the frame. This is beneficial so the voice of the subject is clearly recorded, but a full and wide frame is captured.

The HC-X900M features an improved O.I.S. system called, HYBRID O.I.S. +, which uses five-axis correction to help thoroughly suppress blurring all the way from wide-angle shots to powerful zoom shots - allowing for steady images over the entire zoom range. It even achieves superb effects when shooting while walking or otherwise moving, thanks to a function known as Active Mode. This lets the user capture crisp, clear images, without blurring, in nearly every shooting situation. In addition to the HYBRID O.I.S. + system, the HC-X900M provides even more powerful stabilization correction with O.I.S. Lock. By pressing the O.I.S. Lock button on the LCD monitor, the blur detection sensitivity is maximized and camera movements are detected and corrected without image degradation. O.I.S. Lock is ideal for applications like bird watching, which call for zooming at a fixed angle.

The Panasonic HC-HX900M features a manual ring for easy and convenient fingertip-control of commonly-used settings, like focus, zoom, exposure, shutter speed and white balance. Using the ring is now much more intuitive, comfortable, and user-friendly for settings that are often adjusted as opposed to accessing through the menu screen every time one of those features need to be changed. Plus, with manual operation, the HC-HX900M gives the user freedom to craft creative and expressive videos with ease. For those beginner users looking for a more intuitive setting, the HC-X900M also includes the iA function which automatically selects the most suitable shooting mode. Panasonic's iA consists of six functions: Face Recognition, the new HYBRID O.I.S. +, AF/AE Tracking, Intelligent Scene Selector, Face Detection and Intelligent Contrast Control.

When the HC-X900M has the optional VW-CLT2 3D Conversion Lens attached, it can record full HD 3D images with the MVC (Multiview Video Coding) recording system of the AVCHD 3D format. During 3D recording, the right-eye and left-eye images are both recorded and played in Full-HD quality, using the Frame Sequential Method to produce FULL HD 3D images, which results in a lifelike ambience. The HC-X900M is equipped with a 1,150,000-dot 8.8-cm/3.5-inch LCD that allows 3D viewing without the need for special eyewear, so 3D images can be viewed on the spot. Naturally, the display can also be switched between 2D and 3D. And intuitive touch operation enables extremely easy control on the LCD. The Touch Zoom function allows the user to simply touch the LCD to activate slow zooming. The LCD also supports Touch Shutter, which automatically focuses and takes a still photo when the user touches the subject on the screen.

Other features of the Panasonic HC-X900M include:

32GB of built-in memory, plus an SD Memory Card slot that supports SD/SDHC/SDXC Memory Cards.

The Zoom Mic function links the microphone's capability to the camera's zoom action and helps to reduce surrounding noise. The HC-X900M with a 5.1-channel surround sound, noise is reduced by -20 dB while zooming.

The Wind Noise Canceller automatically detects and suppresses only the wind noise to ensure natural sounds with lifelike ambience, thus recording human voices clearly even on a windy beach or elevated location.

Pre-Rec function, when turned on, allows the camcorder to continuously record three seconds of video to an internal buffer memory, thus helping to capture sudden shooting opportunities. Provided that the camcorder is aimed at the subject in advance, the HC-X900M can actually record three seconds prior to pushing the record button.

Eco mode** automatically turns off the power when the camcorder is not operated for five minutes, reducing wasteful energy use and saving battery power.

Pricing and 2012 availability will be announced approximately 30 days prior to shipping. The Panasonic HC-X900M will be available in black. For more information, and live coverage on January 10-11 from Panasonic at the 2012 International Consumer Electronics Show, please visit www.panasonic.com/CES . Plus, follow Panasonic's CES activities on Twitter @PanasonicEvents and join the conversations.

*Set to ON when shipped from the factory

About Panasonic Consumer Marketing Company of North America Based in Secaucus, N.J., Panasonic Consumer Marketing Company of North America, a Division of Panasonic Corporation of North America, the principal North American Subsidiary of Panasonic Corporation PC -0.03% and the hub of Panasonic's U.S. marketing, sales, service and R&D operations, offers a wide-range of consumer solutions in the U.S. and Canada. The Company's portfolio of innovative consumer products ranges from VIERA Full HD 3D Televisions, Blu-ray players, LUMIX Digital Cameras, Camcorders, Home Audio, Cordless Phones, Home Appliances, Wellness and Personal Care products and more.

Panasonic is pledged to practice prudent, sustainable use of the earth's natural resources and protect our environment through the company's Eco Ideas programs. Panasonic was the only Consumer Electronics company to be listed in the top ten brands on the Interbrand Best Global Green Brands 2011 ranking. Follow Panasonic on Twitter @panasonicdirect, and additional company information for media is available at www.panasonic.com/pressroom .

SOURCE Panasonic

Mark Ahrens
January 9th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Very interesting.
Am i reading that right? The display is upgraded from 460,800 to 1.1 million? Nice.

If that's accurate, it's about time. Manufacturers have been neglecting this element of the cameras for too long.

Glen Vandermolen
January 9th, 2012, 07:39 PM
Ah, I was expecting this. That explains why TM900s have decreased in price recently. Well, I've got my TM900 and I'm sure this new cam will be near the $1K mark.

C.S. Michael
January 9th, 2012, 08:57 PM
I have a TM700 that I'm very happy with... But if the lowlight and OIS abilities of this camera are truly improved, I may consider upgrading. The new screen will be nice too.

Phil Lee
January 10th, 2012, 01:22 AM
Hi

The pixel count has been improved but then split to give left and right eyes a separate image for 3D without classes. This might undo the extra pixels added.

The marketing sounds great regarding low performance and improvement in the 3MOS system, however they said that about the 700 to 900 differences, and tests showed little difference if any.

Also given the new camera has a model number still of 900 seems to suggest that Panasonic themselves don't really consider the differences to be major.

The wider lens is nice, the OIS might be better, however I have a feeling video performance will be little different to the 700 and 900 models.

Don't forget CES 2012 is all about marketing, the press releases are going to sound good.

The only plus point might be they have managed to get rid of fan.

I'll probably end up getting one!

Regards

Phil

Andy Wilkinson
January 10th, 2012, 03:26 AM
I'm with Phil. Pannys claimed low light improvement may just be more marketing guff.

Looks like incremental (but very welcome) improvements though, but certainly not a revolutionary change, I see Sony's new prosumer cams (that were also announced at CES yesterday) have an improved image stabilisation system claim over their previous offerings - I guess they realised they needed to play catch-up with Panny's terrific OIS on the TM900 etc.

A wider lens would be welcome though! The 35mm max on the TM900 is limiting at times.

In truth I have no complaints about the resolution on the outgoing TM900's 3.5 inch LCD screen - it's a fine LCD and plenty good enough for my needs - especially with peaking on - just a bit over-saturated!

I might get one (and use my TM900 as another crash cam...) but I suspect I'll hang onto my money...just in case a Canon 5DMkIII appears sometime this year! However, for TM700 owners this might be a big enough step to take the hit on cost - I stress might as we each have different needs/budgets - but the LCD on the TM700 was very low res (and just 3 inch if I remember correctly) and there are certainly quite a few other improvements worth having - most notably that wider lens and octagonal iris!

These look like some very fine cams....Nice one Panny!

Lee Mullen
January 10th, 2012, 09:25 AM
Nice..............

Jerry Amende
January 10th, 2012, 06:12 PM
I see B&H has the x900M listed at $1099.00

Newsletter EMAIL 2012 #3 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Newsletter-EMAIL-2012-3/ci/18706/N/4135517359)

...Jerry

Andy Wilkinson
January 11th, 2012, 04:44 PM
So, whilst I await a render to finish...

Out of the various suggested/desired improvements for the TM900 on page 33 of this thread....

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasonic-avccam-camcorders/491883-panasonic-tm900-users-thread-33.html

...Then how well did Panny do with the new model?

1. Wider Lens - Yep!
2. Better Mic Wind Resistance - We'll have to wait and see when one of you guys or gals gets one
3. Menu Improvements - Some suggestion of these in the Press Release
4. Battery Charging Arrangments - Same as TM900 (and in truth we really did not expect them to change it back)
5. Better Low Light Performance - Well the've claimed some improvement - but again we'll have to wait and see if this transfers to real world performance that us pixel peepers notice
6. Overexposure/Blowing Out Highlights Tendency in iAuto (in Bright Sunlight) - Again, we'll have to see!
7. Spot Focus for Video Via LCD - Nope (I don't think so)
8. Better OOF - Yep! 8 blade iris (whoaah!)
9. Add LANC - Nope, I'm sure they would have mentioned this if it got added...
10. Pre-Record Always Enabled - Not Sure (depends if the menu improvements mentioned in the Press Release cover this)
11. HDMI Connection with LCD Closed - I suspect not as it looks to be near identical in design
12. IR Cut Filter - Not sure/doubt it
13. Consecutive Clip Numbering (not reverting to 001 after each format) - Not sure/we'll have to wait and see

But the new model will come with some other (potential) improvements too, such as

A. Much higher resolution LCD (assuming all it's pixels are configured well for non-3D work?)
B. Better anti-flare lens coating and
C. An "even better" Hybrid OIS system, at least that's what they are claiming. The TM900's is amazing so I can't wait to see what this one's like!

No doubt a few things I've missed/we don't know yet.

Looks like pricing will be similar to TM900 when it first appeared, maybe a tad higher.

EDIT: All the detail model features and specs appears to now be on the Panny site, here:

http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/x900_series/

Rob Easler
January 11th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Here is a deeper pic of the x900m. Notice it still has the dreaded fan.

Andy Wilkinson
January 12th, 2012, 03:41 AM
Thanks Rob,

Actually my TM900's fan is effectively silent (but I have read some have noisy ones - so it seems to be a bit hit and miss regarding fan noise).

Now, if you look at the pictures on this Panasonic X900 main parts webpage you'll see the SD card slot has been moved to UNDERNEATH the camcorder.

HC-X900/HC-X900M/HC-X800 | HD Camcorder | Panasonic Global (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/x900_series/mainparts.html)

I've also attached a screen grab.

That's a pretty stupid idea in my opinion as it means you'll have to take the cam off a tripod/steadicam or whatever and take off the mounting plate (unless its a very small one) if you want to swap a card. My old trusty Sony HC1 had a similar design fault (bottom loading cassette arrangement - it is really annoying). Yeah, I know, with 32MB on board it won't happen that often, but still.

I see the've also moved some of the buttons around and got rid of the cover for the connectors on the side of the body that the LCD is attached to. Mixed feelings about that too.

Also, some of the controls on the edge of the LCD have now been left off as well (no more Telephoto/Wide or Volume Up/Down and Record Button on the outer edge!). Those were actually very useful at times!

I think they may have put the speaker in that outer LCD edge now (but someone will have to confirm that).

I guess it's all worth it to have the wider lens, 8 blade iris, even better Hybrid IOS and possibly better low light performance. I think intelligent zoom now goes to 23x too (up from 20x) but that may just be a consequence of starting out wider and other changes. You win some, you loose some! I'm sure it'll produce equally stunning footage to my TM900, or maybe even better!

Anthony McErlean
April 12th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Anyone got their hands on the HC-X900 yet? How would you compare it to the TM900?
I see some advertised as a X900M, what does the M stand for?

Barry Sampson
April 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Anthony, I believe the "M", is for Memory as it has 32GB built-in flash. I did a comparison between the two on the Panasonic UK site and that was the only difference between them.

Looks very nice; and priced very well too; much cheaper than the HS900 I bought, (but no longer have). Only £769:50 on-line, my HS900 was £1199:00 so glad I no longer have it as I would have been disappointed they released this upgrade so soon!

Mmmm, what to buy; iPhone 4S or Panny X900?

Lee Mullen
April 19th, 2012, 10:19 PM
PAL version listed at $1549 in Australia, not sure yet for Singapore.

Tom Hardwick
April 20th, 2012, 04:02 AM
Barry - you say, 'Only £769:50 on-line' but the SD900 is still available (be quick!) for £550.00 on-line. And there are reviews about that rate the SD900 (ok, no internal memory) as the better camera. Screen looks no less sharp and the SD card access is in a sensible place. It's also lighter and more compact. But it sure needs more wide-angle.

Carl Youngquist
September 13th, 2012, 06:32 AM
I purchased the x900m about 6 weeks ago. I've used it to video several live performances at the MO state fair from the grandstand and (the first) parts of a live spotlighted performance. I have also posted an
'ultimate' test of it's OIS while driving on a rough non-paved road on you tube.

The performance of this camera is truly AMAZING!

The REAL TIME manual control during the spotlighted performances was quickly mastered, could be viewed 'in progress' and very effective. If you've ever videoed a spotlighted performance I'm sure you appreciate how important that is.

At the MO state fair at 50x (+/-) it filled the screen with Hank Williams Jr from high up in the grandstand. The camera was basically handheld (no tripod, monopod or post to lean against) and the results are quite acceptable...especially appreciating how unstable ones arm, etc. becomes during a long shoot.

While I was driving on the rough road OIS test I held the camera in my right hand periodically glancing at the screen. The dash and rear view mirror are at the lower center and right hand corner of the video respectively. They are 'bouncing' all over the place! When I watched the video (after safely arriving home) I couldn't believe what I saw!!! I placed my finger on the top of the road (it's horizon so to speak) to best gauge it's movement. IT DIDN'T MOVE!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Most recently I had the opportunity to video with the x900 and a Sony cx760 in an electronic's store in Houston, TX - strictly for comparison purposes. Reviewing the results directly from the same SD card on my computer (having a very high resolution screen) here are my conclusions. 1st, the Sony does have a slightly wider field of view. Also, the new lens floating feature significantly improves the stability when zoomed in in the higher zoom range and is particulary noticeable at the max 120 of the Sony (about 100 on the Panny...the Panny will go out to 700).

However, the image quality, particularly w.r.t. noise and color saturation, was considerably better with the x900 (while pleased with that I must admit surprise). I feel this is likely due to the 3 cmos approach. I have a Sony vx2100 which I purchased several years ago in particular for it's 1 lux low light capability. That is needed for Wedding videos, especially for the "first dance." I note that to my knowledge it (and other) truly Pro-sumer and Pro video cams incorporate 3 sensors (I believe CCD's in the 2100).

Regarding low light performance the x900 has a setting which slows the shutter speed to 1/5th of a second. That being 'tolerable' given the subject matter the low light quality of the truly technicolor results (as opposed to a 'green' image) are also rather incredible. That's not to say it doesn't do well at 1/30th at max gain because it does.

Regarding the 3D capability I haven't popped for the lens yet but I plan to.

All things considered I'm extremely pleased with the camera and the lower price (a minimum of $500 I believe) certainly adds 'frosting to the cake.'

Carl Youngquist
September 13th, 2012, 06:39 AM
I purchased the x900m about 6 weeks ago. I've used it to video several live performances at the MO state fair from the grandstand and highlights of a live spotlighted performance (the first of it's kind with this camera for me). I have also posted an
'ultimate' test of it's OIS while driving on a rough non-paved road on you tube.

The performance of this camera is truly AMAZING!

The REAL TIME manual control during the spotlighted performances was quickly mastered, could be viewed 'in progress' and very effective. If you've ever videoed a spotlighted performance I'm sure you appreciate how important that is.

At the MO state fair at 50x (+/-) it filled the screen with Hank Williams Jr from high up in the grandstand. The camera was basically handheld (no tripod, monopod or post to lean against) and the results are quite acceptable...especially appreciating how unstable ones arm, etc. becomes during a long shoot.

While I was driving on the rough road OIS test I held the camera in my right hand periodically glancing at the screen. The dash and rear view mirror are at the lower center and right hand corner of the video respectively. They are 'bouncing' all over the place! When I watched the video (after safely arriving home) I couldn't believe what I saw!!! I placed my finger on the top of the road (it's horizon so to speak) to best gauge it's movement. IT DIDN'T MOVE!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Most recently I had the opportunity to video with the x900 and a Sony cx760 in an electronic's store in Houston, TX - strictly for comparison purposes. Reviewing the results directly from the same SD card on my computer (having a very high resolution screen) here are my conclusions. 1st, the Sony does have a slightly wider field of view. Also, the new lens floating feature significantly improves the stability when zoomed in in the higher zoom range and is particulary noticeable at the max 120 of the Sony (about 100 on the Panny...the Panny will go out to 700).

However, the image quality, particularly w.r.t. noise and color saturation, was considerably better with the x900 (while pleased with that I must admit surprise). I feel this is likely due to the 3 cmos approach. I have a Sony vx2100 which I purchased several years ago in particular for it's 1 lux low light capability. That is needed for Wedding videos, especially for the "first dance." I note that to my knowledge it (and other) truly Pro-sumer and Pro video cams incorporate 3 sensors (I believe CCD's in the 2100).

Regarding low light performance the x900 has a setting which slows the shutter speed to 1/5th of a second. That being 'tolerable' given the subject matter the low light quality of the truly technicolor results (as opposed to a 'green' image) are also rather incredible. That's not to say it doesn't do well at 1/30th at max gain because it does.

Regarding the 3D capability I haven't popped for the lens yet but I plan to.

All things considered I'm extremely pleased with the camera and the lower price (a minimum of $500 I believe) certainly adds 'frosting to the cake.'

Andy Wilkinson
December 3rd, 2012, 04:11 PM
Any updates from X900M owners on how this cam is performing?

Alastair Traill
December 3rd, 2012, 11:55 PM
I have the X900, the model that records to a card only. At under $800au it was considerably cheaper than my TM900.

A few points: -

I appreciate the X900’s wider angle particularly for stabilizer shots, however the wider angle comes with a larger filter size than for the TM. As I have standardized on 58 mm filters and Canon close up lenses by using a step up ring I can use these accessories on either camera so saving on buying a new set. (My 58 mm accessories are a good size for reducing vignetting problems and are left over from PD150 days, I even use the PD150 hoods).

Batteries, chargers and infrared remote are interchangeable – all good.

A feature that I value is that any changes to the “picture adjust” menu survive turning the camera on and off.

A gripe is that you still have to set “Pre-record” for every shot. This is particularly annoying when using the camera remotely.

It still has manual focus and the very useful blue focus assist function, both invaluable for natural history projects. I have motorized focus in both cameras. The screen is better but I find that I have to have both cameras side by side to appreciate the difference.

As one who always uses a support and frequently checks results on a computer screen the bottom loading card is a retrograde step. I do not know why I complain though as I used to use a 16 mm camera underwater. The 100 foot load would last a little over 2 minutes and changing a light sensitive film in a rocking boat while wearing a dripping wet suit was full of hazards. With luck you could see your results in a day or two otherwise it could be up a month later. How times have changed.

Nigel Barker
December 4th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Any updates from X900M owners on how this cam is performing?I too would be very interested as I was so impressed seeing Andy's TM900 yesterday & discovering that the X900M is only £765 ($1225) including 20% sales tax. There are also a couple of similar variants on the X900M that are even cheaper. The X900 is apparently identical to the X900M but without 32GB of onboard memory it is however only £650 ($1050) so the savings would buy at least 3x32GB SanDisk Extreme SD cards. Finally there is the X800 which is just £450 ($720) & appears to have the same sensor lens & OIS system but is smaller (3" screen vs. 3.5") & lighter (345g vs 425g without battery) but lacks the manual control ring of the X900/X900M. Here is a comparison of the three models Products -Compare Products -Panasonic UK & Ireland (http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/287749/module/general/compare/products/displayResult.html?p=HC-X800&p=HC-X900M&p=HC-X900) Apart from the X800 recording in stereo rather than the 5.1 Dolby Digital of the other two models the main specifications are all but identical but I am guessing that without the manual control ring that the X800 really is just an auto-everything point & shoot. The X800 could be a viable option as a locked off B or C cam where many people are using a GoPro that is also of course an auto-everything point & shoot.

Philip Scott
December 23rd, 2012, 08:37 AM
I picked mine up a week ago at B&H in NYC for $599 US. What? Yeah, it was $599 until 12/24/12 while supplies last. I can't imagine it goes up from there, but who knows.
So far I am very pleased with the limited testing I have done with it. I am especially happy with the time-lapse feature and its ease of use.
The ergonomics are quite good I think. While it's slightly clumsy to switch functions of the 'outer ring' using the 'Camera Function' button at front left, this was one of the main reasons I bought the camera (same for my Sony RX-100 P&S camera)...to be able to have a big ring with which to pull focus or manage the iris setting in changing light....awesome. Very old school. By default it seems to come up with W > T zoom function assigned which is fine.
Screen is gorgeous....almost too big. Viewfinder is OK, has good diopter adjustment (once you locate it), and can power on and off the cam by pulling it towards you or re-seating it flush.
So far so good.....real test will be shooting some hockey games in January. For now I'll stick with time-lapses of shopping malls and so on.

Philip Scott
December 28th, 2012, 07:34 PM
I was at B&H today to get a bigger battery for shooting hockey games and such....looks like the price went up to $699 for now.

Steve Struthers
March 15th, 2013, 10:02 PM
I just picked one up today from B&H for $619.00. Looks like they're clearing them out to make way for the new X920. I thought I would get an X900 for shooting events and as a travel cam, and use my DSLR for the really serious work where I can take my time and be deliberate in my cinematic approach.

Ben Dailey
March 23rd, 2013, 10:09 PM
I purchased the x9000m about a week ago and have been testing it out.
I really like the quality of the image it produces and the OIS is very good.

There is one thing that I've noticed. It seems like the video displayed on the lcd while camera is on is slow or perhaps late. I noticed it first when I was moving my hand in front of the lens, so then I turned the camera and lcd toward my face and talked. My lips on the lcd were out of sync.

Anthony McErlean
March 25th, 2013, 05:02 AM
Is there also Internal memory recording with the x920 or is it card only?

Thanks.

Andy Wilkinson
March 25th, 2013, 05:08 AM
I THINK the X920M has 32GB internal memory and the X910 and PERHAPS the X920 does not. I suspect the M stands for internal Memory. Take a look at all the official specs on this website:

HC-X920/HC-X920M/HC-X910 | HD Camcorder | Panasonic Global (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/x920/)

This (also official) UK website for the X920 does not list internal memory - from a quick glance I can't see any internal memory in the specs, only a reference to the card media it uses.

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Camcorders/New+Camcorders/HC-X920/Specification/11053351/index.html?trackInfo=true

You'd think Panasonic's Marketing machine would make something as important as memory provision between model derivatives crystal clear in all their official promo documentation! It's far from clear...suggest you contact Panasonic?

Anthony McErlean
March 25th, 2013, 05:30 AM
Thanks Andy, yes, my TM900M and X900M both have the internal memory recording and just noticed that Prestons have the X920EB-K, I think this one has card recording only.

I'll contact Panasonic as you suggest, thanks Andy.

Peter Riding
March 25th, 2013, 11:10 AM
Anthony if I were buying again I'd get the card only version at the much lower price. This is because you can get 32gb class 10 Sandisk cards on Amazon for only around £25. They are much quicker to download using a USB3 reader etc than downloading direct from a cam. Also if anything goes wrong you are not stuck with your valuable footage inside the cam.

Pete

Anthony McErlean
March 25th, 2013, 05:55 PM
Hello Peter, that's a very good point,.
Wonder does the card slot into the bottom of the camera, same as the x900?
I prefer it on the side of the camera, like the TM900,

Thanks again.

Andy Wilkinson
March 26th, 2013, 02:31 AM
Yes looks like it is on the bottom this new model year too!

To get round this silly design flaw - especially for anyone who will use it for long event work (locked off on a tripod, requiring removal of the tripod plate just to change the card - to spell it out!) - then I suggest the following:

1. either buy a cam WITH internal memory so that it can Relay Record once the media is full (if you set this up in the Menu) - less urgency then to get at the cam to swap media and no loss of coverage.
2. Obviously, use a much larger capacity card (in whichever cam variant) for that type of use. By the way, from the manual a single 64GB card would give 5h 20m at 1080p50 which should be long enough for most!

I actually only use 16GB cards (max) in the various AVCHD and XDCAMs cams I have (which specifically gives 1h 20m recording time in the TM900 for 1080p50). I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.

Peter does make a valid point above but one other thing. I've found the internal 32GB memory very useful when using the cam on holiday as switching/loosing cards is one less thing to worry about when one is relaxing with the family on a beach/at the poolside with just your swimming trunks on and a beer in hand :-)...but then again, if you're happy with one large capacity card in the cam you can get round that.

Anthony McErlean
March 26th, 2013, 03:02 AM
[QUOTE=Andy Wilkinson;1786654]Yes looks like it is on the bottom this new model year too!.[/QUOTE

I thought so too, thats a pity,

Thanks Andy

Peter Riding
March 26th, 2013, 04:06 AM
For those who haven't yet made the transition to USB 3:

It really is a good 5 times faster than USB 2. Not the 10 times sometimes claimed but 5 x genuine. This makes a heck of a difference if you are using several of these types of cams and need to get downloaded and backed up ready for the next days job. Also if its a cam that can only have its battery charged on-cam you have the use of the cam straight away instead of having to wait for the download to finish (I do have after market external chargers as well though).

For USB 3 you need to add a suitable card to your desktop and it will need power but this is all very straightforward and affordable. Just like adding a USB 2 or firewire card or slotting in a memory module. Then you should find a spare power mini power plug in your case - there are likely several of them previously unnoticed :- ) Check your motherboard is capable. USB 3 devices will likely come with their own cables e.g. the Lexar reader:

Lexar® Professional USB 3.0 Dual-Slot Reader | Lexar (http://www.lexar.com/products/lexar-professional-usb-30-dual-slot-reader)

For a laptop you simply need a USB 3 express card.

The 32gb cards give almost 3 hours recording at 1080 50p so you are unlikely to find you cannot change cards at some convenient point. It is a silly design fault though. But even with the TM900 side card slot I find I still have to loosen a head quick release plate before I can open the side door. I would remove the door but as i say the need to change cards quickly doesn't really arise.

Pete

Anthony McErlean
March 26th, 2013, 04:40 AM
I contacted Panasonic and was told that there wont be an "M" version of the X920, it will be the X920EB-K only.

Steve Struthers
April 1st, 2013, 11:17 AM
I just bought an X900. Nice camera, although the LCD display is pretty well useless in bright light, even with the brightness setting turned up all the way. Here's a short test clip that shows off the great video this camera can produce.

X900M Test - YouTube