Hi,

Long time reader, first post...

I'm filming a wedding in a few weeks and have just been informed by the Bride that the wedding is being featured on a high profile TV show.

Anyone ever done a wedding alongside a TV crew? Did you have any issues?

So far I have been told that they are "fine" with us being there and they are bringing a crew of ten (yes, ten) people.

Any advice greatly appreciated. Thank you.

If you are using wireless mics, I would make sure that you and the film crew are on diferent frequencies so that you dont pick up any interference. I would also suggest at least one other source of audio that is not wireless based just in case.

Thanks Kevin, good advice. I do have a non-wireless back up. Was wondering who gets to mic the Groom. Hoping that they use a boom for their sound.

For everyone's sanity on the day of the event, I would see if you can set up a quick meet between the director and yourself and talk through the event so you have a general idea of how to stay out of each others way. It sounds kind of negative when I phrase it like that, but Im sure both sides would be thankful when it comes down to crunch time and everyone is getting the absolute best shot they can.

You don't want a handheld following the bride and groom down the aisle when you were relying on that shot, when it could easily be avoided by using a slash cam from another frontal angle and they are fine with that too, etc etc...

Just did one back in November. TLCs Four Weddings. The crew I worked with were good folks. Mostly local from Chicago but a couple including the Producer came from New York. They had 1 Producer, 3 cameramen, 3 Assoc. Producers, a PA and a PC plus a sound guy. I talked for a few minutes with the Producer, told the sound guy the freqs I was using and honestly, it was a very pleasant event. We didn't fight over territory or get in each others way. Maybe it was just the crew I worked with but it went quite well.
I doubt you'll be able to talk to the producer much before the day of but make sure to take a few minutes on that day to talk to him/her. Also introduce yourself to the camera operators and talk to the sound person to let that person know the freqs you're using so any adjustments can be made BEFORE the event starts.
At the wedding I did they didn't mic anyone. They used a boom for some stuff and on cam mics for other stuff. They' really weren't interested in the vows. One I did a few years ago, Dateline was there and we both mic'd the groom. I've done events where the speaker had as many as 4 lavs on. 2 per lapel. Different freqs of course.
Other than that, just try to work with them and you should get along just fine.
I find that a few minutes of polite talk before the event goes a long way to happiness.

Thanks for the advice. I will grab the Producer on the day and talk everything through.

@ Don. Yes, same show for TLC. Glad it went well, hopefully this one will also. Did they put any restrictions on you on the day? Or were you ok to film as normal?

The Groom for this wedding is singing his vows. Should be fun!

No restrictions. Keep in mind the bride is paying for your services so the TV crew is kind of an extra. I just used the common courtesy I would expect others to give me and it worked out just fine.

I'd double check with the bride as to what she thinks is most important, because you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever you agree with the TV people in advance will fall apart. It's happened to me twice in my theatre work. They promise to remain in the background and not intrude, but all of a sudden one of the camera crew just walk out right in front to get their best shot - they get in the way of the other technical people and worse still, the people watching - they'll probably talk quite loudly to each other when they are not shooting and be totally immune to complaints on the grounds that it's tough and they'll be gone soon. A crew of ten means ten times your intrusion level. Be very careful. Keep in mind the TV programme have their own agenda, and it's not a normal wedding video!

Honestly, in all the work I've done over the years with other video crews at the same event, I've had fewer problems with them than the still photogs.
As for promising to stay in the background, well, it's called repsect for one another. I've never had a problem with other vid guys crossing into my shot. As for talking loudly, nope, the crews I've worked with have all had ClearComs or some other form of radio communication. As for speaking with the bride to find out which is more important....uh, I'm sorry but IMO that wouldn't necessarily be a great thing to do as 1st, shes thinking about her wedding not the vendors or TV crew. 2nd, that's for ME to work out with the crew. She is paying me for, in part, my professionalism and has been choosen by this particular TV show to showcase PARTS of her wedding in hopes of winning a prize and in this case there are 3 other "guest" brides attending. I have worked these weddings including the "celebrity" weddings I have done over the years like any other wedding. I'm polite, talk to the other video and still people like I want to be talked to, we try very hard to stay out of each others way as well as the guests way and do our job without running to the bride and groom. They have 2 jobs that day. One to get married, the other to have a worry free fun filled day.
Craig, do the job the way you know how, communicate a bit before with the TV crew, and the job should go fine. BTW, when you leave at 11PM or midnight or whenever, they still have anoher 4 to 6 hours to go. They do interviews with all of the guest brides as well as the B&G then have to strike, pack, load out and go. It's a long day for them.
Of course, if they DO get in a shot or 2 you have to protect your ground and have a word or 2 with them but I think you'll find they're decent to work with.

Thanks for the advice. I will grab the Producer on the day and talk everything through.

The Groom for this wedding is singing his vows. Should be fun!

Craig, on the day is too late, I'd talk to the producer asap to find out how they intend covering this wedding.

Ten crew sounds like it could be an OB truck with multiple cables into the church and 3 or 4 static TV cameras.

If so there's a few options for you, they'll probably set up the day before, to plan your moves you could go there and see where they'll be positioned,
meet some of the crew, check the light, the church music etc.

If not they'll still check out the venue, meet them there. See if you can include them in your shoot, maybe some of their finished footage.
The singing groom is important, meet up with him and check your mic and levels out. Yes it's not your usual wedding I'd get on it now.

Cheers.

Thanks guys.

Yep, I've spoken with the Bride and asked her to put me in touch with the Producer before the event. She's fairly ok with everything, I did explain that we "may not" be able to get the shots we want, just so she is forewarned.

Yeah, I guess it comes down to the crew on the day. Hopefully they will be respectful of us, but as Paul said, they have a big budget show to produce, and I don't. I like to shoot candid, so it could be fun to have one or two shots with them in, it's all part of her wedding day after all. Fingers crossed it will go with no problems.

@ Allan. Murphy's law, I am shooting a different wedding the day before, so no chance to go and see if they have set up. I'm guessing I will need to be there a lot earlier than usual. Thanks for the tip about audio levels with the Groom, so used to grooms practically whispering their vows....

Again, thank you for all the advice guys.

Having done this show I can tell you that 1) they will most likely be using EX1R, no cable running all over. 2) 3 cameras, 3) 1 sound guy 4) 1 producer 5) 2 Assoc. Producers. The Prod and APs will most likely have Marshall Monitors powered by AB batterys and a remote reciever while the camer op will have the transmitter going to the appropriate camera. One AP for each camera while the producer generally seems to stay with the guest brides. The sound guy also pretty much stays with them except for the ceremony when he'll be with one of the camera ops. Here's the tricky part. In most cases theres a camera back center for a master shot. There's a camera on the altar or close to focus in on the bride and one to focus on the guset brides. The groom is only in the shot because he's there. Watch the program sometime, you'll see the groom is an after thought. Since this groom is going to sing his vows (or is it the blues? ;-O) he might get some additional airtime from the camera trained on the bride. This show is about the bride, not the couple. Sounds goofy I know but that's how it is. Also trust me when I tell you, they won't be at the rehearsal the day before.

Generally the production people are local crews that may or maynot have done weddings before, the produce and perhaps the APs will come from New York but they have no reason to attend a rehearsal. They know the story they want to tell, how they want to tell it and what they need to do to tell it. The only question for them is will the church let them set a manned camera on the altar. Believe it or not the larger percentage of them do.

While they will be on tripods for the ceremony (in most caes) after that, they'll be runnin N gunnin. Some use some sort of shoulder mount others don't. The use Litepanel minis at full power with a 3200K gel and ZERO gain for EVERYTHING. They not looking to make art, they looking to shot a medum budget TV show.

I'm saying this because I've been there and while they have a job to do, so do you. Do what you do, and everything should work out fine. It's nothing different than any other wedding except for more video cameras and crew.

AAMOF the episode that I was shooting for the B&G is airing on 3/2/12.. It's Erika and Chris.

Hi,

Long time reader, first post...

I'm filming a wedding in a few weeks and have just been informed by the Bride that the wedding is being featured on a high profile TV show.

Anyone ever done a wedding alongside a TV crew? Did you have any issues?

So far I have been told that they are "fine" with us being there and they are bringing a crew of ten (yes, ten) people.

Any advice greatly appreciated. Thank you.


Hi Craig,

Interesting reading from the other guys - Full on Don!

Although I do not know about this particular production, you can bet your last dollar on red that they will be concerned about what they want and not what you've been contracted to deliver.

A few weeks ago I had a call from a guy telling me he was looking for couples for a TV series for BBC3 here in the UK. Okay I said, "first let me tell you all my clients are on exclusive contracts..." Our conversation was short. My contract says that I am the exclusive video producer for their event - as such, I have exclusive rights to produce.

Simply, it stemmed from me doing Asian Weddings which often meant the other half of the family hiring their own video crew. Often they come with camera head lights (in the middle of the day) and just get in the way doing "Yuuuth TV. (Youth).

Imagine I came to you after you've been hired to do a project and said I am also going to come and shoot my own production cos I've been hired by KABC or any of the other alphabet soup west of the Mississippi. Oh, by the way, have you met the other six members of the crew!

My contract wording is there to say, "keep out of my way"; "Or if you want to take over, you can buy me out."

Personally, without such a clause, I would be well annoyed. But of course the Bride will go for it - her chance of more than YouTube.

It's not too bad here in the UK (at the moment) but I'm sure we'll catch up.

:)

Hey Craig,

I worked on 4 weddings last summer in Chicago and can pretty much echo what Don said, we focus mostly on the guest brides who are going to be judging the wedding and stay pretty low key. A cam is on the guest brides all day, B cam covers the event (all handheld) and there is a C cam/Utility that will most likely shoot the Ceremony and bits of the reception, then disappear to build a backdrop.

Yes, they do have ten people in the crew yet most are hidden outside other than the Ops. Producers and AP's are hooked up with camwave transmitters and generally hide in a corner somewhere. The Producers and AP's are from NY, the rest will be locals. All of the producers are cool - Say hi for me!

If you have any other questions feel free to PM me.

-J

Quick update.

We did the wedding. It was "ok".

Basically it really added to the amount of work we had to do. The crew used 2 full time camera guys, and they were both great, they were very respectful of our shooting and worked well with us. The last camera guy was a freelancer and to be honest, I felt he must have been told to ignore us and get the best shot he can. He was CONSTANTLY standing in front of our cameras. I lost count of the times I politely asked him to move.

We like to shoot from a discreet distance, especially during the Ceremony, this guy was practically standing between the officiant and the couple. The reception wasn't much better.

The Producer (also freelance) had no interest in talking to us except to wave a release form under our noses.

They filmed EVERYTHING, they have must have got 8 hours of footage each, I feel sorry for the Editor of the show.

Generally it felt like a media circus. Each camera had an asst, producer following them around with a monitor.

I'm glad it's over, not looking forward to editing this one, thankfully I forewarned the Bride that there "may be shots with the camera crew in them".

Honestly, I think I would turn the job down, before ever doing it again.

Sounds like the one guy was a real piece of work and the producer wasn't much better. Like I said before my experience with the crew and other crews I've worked with including news crew has been for the most part quite positive and respectful of each other.

Like I and Jaron said there are a lot of people running around so I guess there's bound to be a little crossover but to continue to do that says to me that 1), the person doing that was disrespectful and 2) with no offense meant, you should have moved in closer or to another angle. Other than the ceremony there's always another angle to shoot from but I certainly understand your frustration.

If the TV crew is in the shot, so be it. Hell in the episode I did, I was in their shot a couple of times. No way around it. It was the highlight of the segment ;-)

It was annoying to say the least.

I couldn't move any closer without physically moving the Groomsmen out of the way lol. When I say he was in my shot, I mean my entire shot was the back of his head!!

I did move a couple of times, to the other side of the officiant, guess what, he followed me!

I honestly couldn't quite believe it, I felt like it was a case of "you're a wedding videographer, I am more important than you". Luckily the second camera filming down the isle wasn't obscured, but obviously had this guy in shot a lot as he was stood right next to the bride for most of it.

On another note, the Groom didn't sing his vows in the end, he had actually recorded them on CD and it was played while he stood silent.

Sounds like he hadn't done a lot of weddings and might have been following you for his placement. I've seen that happen. Regardless of the reason, it was rude and frankly I would have had a conversation with him immediately after the ceremony and explained the facts of life to him in no uncertain terms. I've been thru this sort of thing with still photogs over the years but it only happens once with any photog. I have a job to do and frankly if they want to play the game they need to keep in mind I wrote the rules. If it sounds like I am a mean and angry guy, nope, but when I am getting paid by the B&G, I WILL get the footage I need no matter what.
In any case, you do the best you can under the circumstances and move on to the next one.

We did one and wouldnt do it again. The problem you also get is the guests have no idea its a seperate team and now think your company has a lot of rude guys who dont seem to care. While you have to think about your reputation and your next job they do not. They just want to get the best shots they can and sod everyone else.

I wonder, would it have been possible to simply negotiate with the TV crew for the raw footage, so you could edit an extended video for the Couple and their family while the production team made their own TV show? It seems like an odd extra step to have 2 separate film crews recording the same event.

We did one and wouldnt do it again

same here, a few years ago a bride contacted me that they had been appraoched by one of our larger commercial tv networks about a show where they followed a bride/groom during the whole day, she was not sure what to think of it and asked me if that was ok for me. I had no clue how they would operate and said, "sure, why not :)"

Well, they acted as if I didn't exsist, they where with 3, a cameraman, sound guy and a producer. They were almost breathing in the couples necks, constantly blocking my view. In the morning the sound guy said if someone could turn of the radio that was playing in the background as that was interfering with his recording. They didn't care how but they sure wanted everything right for THEIR shots, not taking any consideration of other people trying to do their jobs.

I got so angry that when we where at the photoshoot I finally got the chance to talk to the producer without anyone of the family (or the couple) hearing me and gave him a warning if his team would cross my camera's view one more time that I would be doing exactly the same with them. Had no problems after that anymore :)

If I would run into the same scenario again I would let the couple get another videographer, no way I will be doing that again.

I wonder, would it have been possible to simply negotiate with the TV crew for the raw footage, so you could edit an extended video for the Couple and their family while the production team made their own TV show? It seems like an odd extra step to have 2 separate film crews recording the same event.

There is a 100% chance of that NOT happening.

First the crew is usually a bunch of freelancers hired for that particular job.

Second, the production company owns the footage not the camera operator or the producer and the house isn't going to sell it to anyone. The house is contracted by the company that is actually producing the show and not to the bride and groom or anyone else in the room.

Thirdly, in most cases thee are 2 different adjendas. Each crew has a seperate reason for being there.

You as the "crew" hired by the B&G have the job of covering the entire event and editing it for the couple and their freinds and family to watch. The TV crew has a different end result in mind. At least for the TV show that was mentioned in the first couple of posts. The TLC show 4 weddings is all about the 3 guest brides critiquing the 4th brides wedding and the entire segment probably runs about 8 minutes. They show 4 weddings and a scoring recap plus the "winner" at the end of the show which run 60 minutes. By the time they do the lead ins, teasers etc each bride gets about 8 minutes so while they have hours of footage from generally 3 cameras it get "boiled down". They will no more share that footage than you would with another videographer shooting the same wedding. It just aint gonna happen.

As for not working with the TV crews again, I have worked with a lot of different crews over the years and for the most part we have worked well together and tried quite hard to stay out of each others way. Honestly the worst one I worked with was from a TV station here and they weren't all that bad. Maybe it's the market I'm in or my winning personality but I can truthfully working with a TV or production house crew on the same job is, for me, easier than working with some of the still photgos I've worked with over the years.

Don, I wasn't suggesting Craig try to get the footage from the camera operators, and I completely agree it is a long-shot, but it just seems foolish to have two separate professional video crews recording the exact same event and getting in each others way.

But the television show is acting with the cooperation of the B&G. You think there is no scenario possible where the B&G could include a clause in their contract that they'd get the raw footage? I'd say, "We have competing interests here. We (the B&G) want a wedding video of our special day, and you want to make a TV show. Once you're done making it, you'll have 32 hours of raw footage that you'll never use again, but with which we could make a great video of our own. Either give us the raw footage (which is of no or minimal cost to you), or we either say no, or we hire a second film crew to film the same event, from the same places, getting the exact same shots, and probably getting in your way."

I'm not saying it would probably happen. But it is the logical choice.

I doubt seriously that any production house that supplies the crews or production house that is actually producing the show would allow their contract to be altered to include that phrase.
I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask but I think the chances of that happening are about as close to zero as it can get. The production houses just aren't in the business of selling off their footage at least not in my experience.

Don, I wasn't suggesting Craig try to get the footage from the camera operators, and I completely agree it is a long-shot, but it just seems foolish to have two separate professional video crews recording the exact same event and getting in each others way.

But the television show is acting with the cooperation of the B&G. You think there is no scenario possible where the B&G could include a clause in their contract that they'd get the raw footage? I'd say, "We have competing interests here. We (the B&G) want a wedding video of our special day, and you want to make a TV show. Once you're done making it, you'll have 32 hours of raw footage that you'll never use again, but with which we could make a great video of our own. Either give us the raw footage (which is of no or minimal cost to you), or we either say no, or we hire a second film crew to film the same event, from the same places, getting the exact same shots, and probably getting in your way."

I'm not saying it would probably happen. But it is the logical choice.

The Bride did ask the production company before hiring me. She was told that she would receive a DVD of the show and nothing more.

I told her upfront that the other crew will be in her video, and they are, a lot. No way can cut round them.