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Jerome Cloninger
March 15th, 2013, 10:42 PM
Here it is... slightly modified PP3 with little CC and slight levels adjusting. Shot 60p and daytime shots with 1/125 shutter. Evening and night at 1/60. Edited on Sony Vegas 12, 30p timeline with "force resample OFF" on all clips.
Day stuff with stock lens and Cokin variable ND filter (can't zoom in 100% and get focus with that thing, otherwise it's a good ND filter.)
Evening and night footage with Rokinon 35mm Cine Lens.
Fan audio with Audio Technica AT897 shotgun.
Oh.. .25% sharpening applied since I had detail set at -7.

I'm VERY happy with this camera.

Feel free to critique or comment! Keep in mind this was a balls to the wall day of covering all this... I shot MORE than what's in this clip for another larger project for them. Didn't have time to perfect the shots. Run & Gun Baby!
Bristol Motor Speedway | Friday on Vimeo

Chris Quevedo
March 15th, 2013, 11:01 PM
Hey Jerome,

Nice man!! Was the day shots with the stock lens? Really impressive.
Did you shoot absolutely everything in 60p? I'm noticing it seems more and more people doing that lately. Why did you chose to shoot 60p when you didn't really seem to have any slow-mo?

I had a bit of a friendly disagreement of shutter speeds that are best for 60p video.

A friend of mine is convinced that for 60p video you need much higher frame rates like 1/1000 or more to get crisp slow mo, but I have read that similar to what you've done is closer to how it's supposed to be, 1/125 or basically twice the frame rate.

Can anyone help settle this dispute?
My friend is looking for some evidence of why my side of the argument is correct. Or am I the one that's wrong?

Jerome Cloninger
March 15th, 2013, 11:10 PM
Thanks Chris!
Yes day shots were stock lens. Manual zooming.
I will shoot everything 60p from here on out because skew and other rolling shutter effects are lessened. Shutter speeds.... well Ian Morris suggested I try 1/125 for a bit "grittier" look for the track stuff. It did look good in lcd and the cars going on the track I may bump up to 1/250 (or around that) sure, I'm not utilizing abd essentially am "dumping frames" by no slow motion and going to 30 but I'd rather not have as much skew.

As far as your friend goes... here's my take, do what YOU like. Everyone has opinions, some are valid and it ALL boils down to what YOU & your clients like. BMS was ecstatic with this clip... and I liked it. ALL that matters. I would do more different but no time and tomorrow is another (longer) day. ;-)

Chris Quevedo
March 15th, 2013, 11:26 PM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Here's hoping that more good films and examples of this cam like you and Noa and Ian get posted.
And thanks for your thoughts.

Please continue to share your videos as they become available
Oh by the way, with that Rokinon 35mm during the evening did you stick to a certain aperture or did you just go for whatever aperture gives you exposure at the desired shutter speed? I watched it on my iPad so I didn't notice any grain or moire so maybe I just need a computer monitor or maybe none is there.

And any coloring done on this?
Sorry I'm like a endless source of questions. 2 years ago I was just a cashier at a bakery, now I'm somehow a director, producer and video editor that's thrown into this and I'm trying to just learn everything I can from anyone willing to share, especially on this forum since this is the camera I think I'm convinced I'll be getting

Chris Harding
March 16th, 2013, 12:29 AM
Hi Jerome

Magic skin tones too!! I just love PP3 for acurate skin tone results ... did you need to lift saturation in post at all or have you done that in the profile or in the NLE... The only thing I found lacking in PP3 is green seems down but you never had much green at the raceway but the colours are certainly vibrant!!

Yep I love these cameras they are really awesome.. (that's why I didn't hesistate buying a second one) and the stock lens does a pretty good job!!

Great video and should convince anyone still pondering whether this is the camera for them.

Magnificent job!!

Chris

Noa Put
March 16th, 2013, 02:57 AM
great one! I particularly liked the shots with the girl holding the mike, very nice color and skintones but not too saturated and a nice slightly blurred background. I am also surprised how stable the handheld footage looks with your 35mm as that one has no build in stabilizer, that's something I don't need to do with my dslr without getting too much shake.
The whip zoom at 01:48 also shows you can also zoom fast enough manually with this lens. How did the camera handle all day because it looks like you filmed handheld all the time? Did it not become too heavy?

Lee Berger
March 16th, 2013, 04:41 AM
Great work Jerome! One more example of how this camera can be used successfully in a professional venue. By the way I on a recent project I filmed quite a bit of 30p traveling shots out the side of a car at around 25 to 30 mph. I looked closely at the footage couldn't see any skew on any vertical objects.

Jerome Cloninger
March 16th, 2013, 06:13 AM
Hey thanks guys! Time is short because I have to get back to the track today but I'll answer questions maybe Monday when all this is over. Do you all want to see today's and tomorrow's clips too?

For those asking if cc done, check OP... slight cc. I did pop the saturation just a tad too make it more sports like.
Oh, this camera isn't for just anyone, so I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone pondering, UNLESS they can shoot manual and handle it. ;-) I LOVE IT THOUGH! Miss, I balanced the camera with a small weight at the rear. Yes, handheld or cradled under my arm ALL day. Not one tripod shot.

Ok I have to run.... oh, it was a nice surprise to see this clip in the video "hall of fame!"

Noa Put
March 16th, 2013, 06:26 AM
oh, it was a nice surprise to see this clip in the video "hall of fame!

Don't expect a free ticket from now on, you have to earn it :D

Jerome Cloninger
March 16th, 2013, 06:32 AM
Don't expect a free ticket from now on, you have to earn it :D

HA! I don't expect a free ticket. Seriously, I thought it was good, but I see flaws in it and it was a surprise!

Noa Put
March 16th, 2013, 06:54 AM
It's no competition :) it's just a collection of clips I like. The only thing I try not to select is test clips but more films that look finished.

Jerome Cloninger
March 16th, 2013, 06:55 AM
It's no competition :) it's just a collection of clips I like.

I know. Just saying.... glad you liked it!

Chris Quevedo
March 16th, 2013, 03:18 PM
Hey thanks guys! Time is short because I have to get back to the track today but I'll answer questions maybe Monday when all this is over. Do you all want to see today's and tomorrow's clips too?

For those asking if cc done, check OP... slight cc. I did pop the saturation just a tad too make it more sports like.
Oh, this camera isn't for just anyone, so I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone pondering, UNLESS they can shoot manual and handle it. ;-) I LOVE IT THOUGH! Miss, I balanced the camera with a small weight at the rear. Yes, handheld or cradled under my arm ALL day. Not one tripod shot.

Ok I have to run.... oh, it was a nice surprise to see this clip in the video "hall of fame!"

Hey Jerome,

Yes please share more! I would love to see more!

Steven Digges
March 16th, 2013, 04:48 PM
Hey Jerome,

Nice job of capturing the NASCAR experience. We share something in common, I spent five years as the lead photographer at Phoenix International Raceway. Sounds like you working for BMS?

Working for the media department is very demanding. Mostly because of all the unknown work that goes into the shots to make sure the sponcers get exposure even when the shot is not about them. Sound familiar?

Your talent did a good job for you. Great work overall.

I would have one criticism. There were a couple of clips that were glaringly soft to me. Is backing off the detail that much and 25% sharpness worth it? When you missed just a little it really showed.

Good stuff, have fun out there and be safe. I know about the long hours, crazy fans, and moving cars. I found the hot garage one of the most dangerous places to shoot. Be careful.

Steve

Jerome Cloninger
March 16th, 2013, 08:42 PM
Hey Steven, this is actually my FIRST time at NASCAR and doing anything like this. There's so much ground to cover and needing to be in 2 and even 3 places at once. They gave me a golf cart but it's not "fast" enough... LOL! Next time I'll be bringing an assistant for sure!
I don't work for BMS... it's a long story, a cool one, but not for the public. I will say this is opening more doors for me though....

I understand your criticism and when I mentioned earlier to Noa that I thought it was good, but not great (or however I said it) that's part of it.. some out if focus shots... some not framed exactly how I wanted, etc. Today I had quite a few "oops" moments, but BMS is still very happy with it and my main contact person says I'm too hard on myself..... anyways, here's today's clip and again, I welcome criticism and comments!
Bristol Motor Speedway | Saturday on Vimeo

Al Gardner
March 16th, 2013, 09:12 PM
Great Job Jerome,
Most of all you captured the spirit of the event perfectly.
AL

Jerome Cloninger
March 16th, 2013, 09:13 PM
Great Job Jerome,
Most of all you captured the spirit of the event perfectly.
AL

Thanks! That's exactly what I was hired to do...

Chris Harding
March 16th, 2013, 10:40 PM
Hi Jerome

Brilliant again.. I like the fact that you pace the clip beautifully... it's hard not to watch it because it's all action and things are happening all the time ...a sunset for 50 seconds on screen can of course look stunning but oh so boring!! Your cutaways are timed perfectly!!

Now, forget about the video, I want the blonde in the red overalls!!!

Just for interest was that PP3 profile still with the detail at -7 or did it lift it a bit??? It looked pretty sharp!

Chris

Steven Digges
March 16th, 2013, 11:09 PM
Great Job! Any client should be happy to have a piece like that shot and DELIVERED in the same day. Good work. I was glad to see she did not have the sun glasses on after her introductory shot. She is way to pretty to be covered up with those goggles.

Even though this is a pubic forum I will say, don't expect any favors from Kyle Busch. I have had to deal with him and his brother many times. I have no problem saying they are both bigger jerks than even the fans that don't like them would know. When you are as good as Kyle and 75,000 out of 100,000 fans boo you when you win there is a reason for it. They will do the mandatory stuff in victory lane (sometimes) and that is it. Then they are both rude and mean.

Are they going to let you shoot true race action or are you being kept away from that for contractual reasons? This IS public, I'm not trying to put you on the spot. Ignore anything I say that your not comfortable with. I know the politics of your situation as well as the difficulties that come with covering such a big, exciting event. I hope your having fun. Your producing good stuff, don't be so hard on yourself.

The golf cart.....oh yea...how many drunks yelled at you because you would not give them a ride? Your clips brought back many good memories.

Steve

Feel free to e-mail me any time if I can help you with any question off the board. I'm not trying to say I know a lot but five years of racing coverage for the PIR media department taught me a few things.

Steven Digges
March 16th, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jerome,

I just checked out your web site. Of course it is good but there is something there that is better than good, it is mind blowing great! That is your BIO. Simple, honest, real, personal, and obviously written by you. I love it. No attempt to puff your self up, no BS, just a personal message about you and where you came from. You broke all of the slick rules taught by copywriters and put yourself on the line. That takes guts. Good for you!

Steve

Jerome Cloninger
March 17th, 2013, 05:24 AM
Hi Jerome

Brilliant again.. I like the fact that you pace the clip beautifully...
Just for interest was that PP3 profile still with the detail at -7 or did it lift it a bit??? It looked pretty sharp!

Chris
Thanks Chris. Detail was at -7 & I have applied .25 sharpening in post using Vegas.

Jerome,

I just checked out your web site. Of course it is good but there is something there that is better than good, it is mind blowing great! That is your BIO. Simple, honest, real, personal, and obviously written by you. I love it. No attempt to puff your self up, no BS, just a personal message about you and where you came from. You broke all of the slick rules taught by copywriters and put yourself on the line. That takes guts. Good for you!

Steve
LOL, some rules are made to be broken. Times have changed and my target clients like dealing with people. Not BS ;-)
I hate BS.
BS never wins the gold.
Ok got to head back to the track! Thanks and I'll respond more later.