Hi,

I have found this

http://www.avmagazine.it/news/videocamere/430.html

is a new hdtv camcorder with 80GB Hard Disk

Francesco

my italian is a bit rough but did it say coming out next month?

Here is the translation using a free translator:

"In occasion of the CEATEC, JVC presents a couple of new camcorders with hard disk integrated some line Everio, with capacity of 30GB and 80GB: this finish model can record also upwards definition"

Tokyo - CEATEC, Ottobre 2005. "JVC presented a serious news of hard disk camcorder of the line Everio that will come introduced in the next months. The models to resolution standard will be provided of hard inside disk from 30 GB that will allow an autonomy of about 8 hours with the greatest quality.

JVC showed also a new Everio with rigid disk from quite 80 GB that registers in developed HDTV with resolution of 1280x720 you push. The camcorder (in the photograph more upwards) is provided of very bright optician (F1,8) and optic zoom lens 10X.

Unfortunately not not we have information on price and availability of the novelty I model HD."

Ah. Thanks Murph.
I'm guessing the 1280*720 will be 30p. like the Gr-hd1 consumer.
Can't wait for more info.

Getting near December now, I wonder if this is going to get here before the end of the year, anybody hear of anything?

I have found this English copy of the announcement claiming the definition Everio will do 720p or 1080i, at 25Mb/s HDV. 2.5 hours at 25Mb/s is just about 30Gb as they say. It reads weirdly and sounds to good to be true, but if anybody else sees anything else about this, please let us know.

Now all we need is 25p, better than HC1 manual controls, preferably better than HC1 component output, better than HC1 sensor, with better low light performance and 36Mb/s recording. Even 1080p at 25fps. And here I am watching David Letterman's "Oprah" special where they are claiming that CBS will be reporting on their show after doing a news feature on "Hell Frozen Over". Sort of feels like the likely hood of getting these features on the new Everio ;)

It does say that release is dependant on HD demand. Well I got news for them in Japan, HDTV has been here in Australia for years, forget making us wait for Europe. People might actually like the option of having family footage in HDV for when they buy a HDTV (or most computers) or to film for HDTV.

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/jvc_everio_gz-mg705040_with_30_gb_hard_drive.php

IMHO...What I believe this means is that they have developed a couple prototypes, and could build it VERY soon if they wanted to, but without seeing how the majority of consumers respond to expensive HD cameras (in terms of consumer expensive, not prosumer/professional expensive). This product as it exists right now would most likely be around 2000-2500 and with only one HD camera in the market at that price right now, they do not want to make the investment of going into production unless they know it will be profitable for them.

On a second note, JVC is still in the process of determining how the consumer market responds to hard drive based camcorders. Most people don't even realize they exist. Most people are just discovering that there are now DVD camcorders (which have been a big success for Sony, so Canon began producing them) I'm pretty sure the DVD camcorders have only been out about 3.5 years now

As JVC gains more awareness around the HDD based cameras, they will increase the production of the higher end models, like the HD 720p/1080i? models. It will most likely be another 6 months to a year for the format to catch on, and for other companies to start producing hard drive camcorders and then we will see HD hard drive based cameras.

I agree, but I think that due to the long delay of the low end Pal camera, it could be due, and a tape based version might be cheaper.

Well, I hope it looks good and doesn't have that cheap-bluish-pixelated tinge some of their other consumer cameras have had (though that little tiny Everio 3CCD/5 megapixel camera one is a dream). Sounds like it would be a better buy than the HC1, but it'd better have at least a couple more manual controls on it. Now if it filmed in HD1/HD10U quality without the edge enhancement, then that's a must have for B-camera status.

I have and use the JVC 3CCD Everio MC500 and am pleased with it's performance. If they make an HDV variant- I will buy one asap- no more tapes for me (once you adopt a tapeless-captureless workflow- it's hard to turn back!!!)

JVC count me in- now bring it on!

Full-on translation

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Have just found this old post from somebody that attended a press conference for the release of Everio cameras in June.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=323811&postcount=3

I have and use the JVC 3CCD Everio MC500 and am pleased with it's performance. If they make an HDV variant- I will buy one asap- no more tapes for me (once you adopt a tapeless-captureless workflow- it's hard to turn back!!!)

JVC count me in- now bring it on!

Does your Everio have full manual control, ie, shutter and aperture control as well as gain on/off switch?

The Everio allows for shutter and aperature changes, I don't recall if there's a gain setting but I think it does.

What sort of HD quality can be carried through editing, with these HDD camcorders that devote only about 10GB per hour?

It's interesting, how much easier it is to understand a foreign language, when there's familiar technical concepts and terms to let you form a context. If you know how to pronounce Italian words, you can often recognize semi-cognates that are camouflaged on a page by the, shall we say, extravagent spelling they use.

Well it's my understanding current mpeg-2 level HDV codecs are using 13GB per hour HD- same as miniDV- so while 10GB per hour is under that data rate- it's not too far off.

25Mb/s 11.25GB/h around 19Mb/s (JVC 720p) 8.55GB/h. But looking at those articles and doing the calculations of time into 80GB drive some interesting figures come out. It would be good if they did something neat, like a high quality variable compression and GOPS/partial gops only when needed.

But unfortunately we here nothing about the new HDV Everio at CES.

Another link that talks about JVC's plan for hard drive cameras. They have talked to JVC.

http://www.techdigest.tv/2005/07/jvc_plans_high_.html

http://techdigestuk.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/jvc_everio_mg50_1.JPG

Doesn't look too prosumerish- but if it can keep highlights in check- it'll be worth considering.