I'm going to have to do a special on my website - book a 2016 wedding and get a free UHD Blu Ray Player! Haha.

Here's the world's first Ultra HD Blu-ray player (http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/05/samsung-worlds-first-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player/)

Not sure on price. I can't wait to start watching 4K Blu-ray's. Plus deliver 4K Blu-ray's.

I can't wait to start watching 4K Blu-ray's. Plus deliver 4K Blu-ray's.

I currently still have to convince my clients why a blu-ray is better then a dvd, eventhough my current package includes a blu-ray as standard when I ask my clients if they have a blu-ray player 9 out of 10 say no. A 4K blu-ray player will only be interesting for video geeks like us and for a handfull of clients that are into using the latest technology. I expect HD to still have a long life for client delivery.

I currently still have to convince my clients why a blu-ray is better then a dvd, eventhough my current package includes a blu-ray as standard when I ask my clients if they have a blu-ray player 9 out of 10 say no. A 4K blu-ray player will only be interesting for video geeks like us and for a handfull of clients that are into using the latest technology. I expect HD to still have a long life for client delivery.

Right. I honestly don't think 4K will take off at all. Still plenty of people that can't tell the difference from standard definition to high definition.

It's funny how people in the wedding industry (those that push USB and digital downloads) have the perception that Blu-ray is a flop and physical media is dead.

I don't think many can see the difference between SD and HD, its only 4 times greater resolution, but the difference between SD and 4k will be more apparent. I recall reading an article that suggested that HD was a failure due to its small increase in resolution. To have impact, you needed an increase inline with SD to 4k for the general public to take notice.

Whilst any changes won't happen overnight, though far quicker than HD I'd wager; SD can't last forever and future standards could become HD and 4k.

However I don't think 4k would just be for geeks. Sports fans often favour higher resolution and would welcome 4k. I know people who have a bluray who aren't geeks and no doubt 4k would find a way into their homes one day too. It's true bluray haven't enjoyed a success that DVD had, but then convincing the public to replace 1 disk with another just for a bit of extra resolution was always going to be a challenge.

Grooms maybe yes, but brides really couldn't care less. As long as the video looks good and the colour is right that's fine. The other thing you need to think about is 4K will show up any facial defects 8X better than a SD DVD won't they and many younger brides need makeup to cover things like acne outbreaks ...a few spots on the chin covered by a layer of foundation looks good on a DVD but when I shoot in 4K and just watch on my 23" computer monitor the clarity is amazing (I'm not rich like Steve to afford a 4K TV!)

The comment about SD-HD from Steve is true ...sometimes good SD and HD are hard to tell apart! I have done surveys on a bridal forum and answers from brides range from "can't see any difference" to "What's HD" and the best of the answers were " it seems to be a bit clearer"

I wonder what will happen when they see that nasty pimple on their chin in glorious 4K ...maybe MUA's will have to start using theatre makeup???

It's true that technical requirements come more from the Groom than the Bride, though not always. However I see satisfying what the Groom wants from his Wedding Video to be important to. In some cases I have secured a Booking only by answering some of the questions the Groom had, and I've had 2 this year demanding HQ 4k files of the final videos delivered via external hard drive.

I wonder as 4K TV's become more common in peoples homes in the way HD TV's went, whether SD playback will be seen even by Brides as noticeably less detailed. I think if you compare SD and HD, most Brides won't see much difference, but compare SD and 4k side by side and they'd have to be blind not to see it. Whether they care or not.... but I think most would enjoy the looking through the window effect 4k can give. Better clarity in wide shots of people such as in a church, means that cute expression on a child's face in the congregation can be better appreciated. Sell it to her like this rather than go into geek mode and talk tech and I think there'd be interest.

As for the spots and pimples, well even with HD I run a skin smoother in post production for close ups. Having produced and watched 4k trailers in 4k, its amazing how most bridal make ups stand up to 4k. However since in many cases they have to stand up to photographs of even greater resolution, perhaps not so surprising.

I've read somewhere on this forum, that by the end of this year Tayo Yuden (I hope I spelled it right) is going to terminate the production of optical discs.
So what are you guys talking about?

UDH players will be out for Christmas.

I estimate one wedding in 20 want Blu-Ray - the rest of them think the HD video is just a 'better quality' DVD - they have no Idea! so for me, DVD will be around for many many years yet - 4K is not really a consideration for me unless I plan to buy new cameras.

Pete

Agreed Pete

I'm shooting 4K now and again but the BIG issue is that as amazing as the image is, you have to consider how many of your couples will own a 4K TV, never mind a 4K TV and a 4K player! Probably one in 30 of my brides actually know what a BD is never mind a 4K player. The 4K market will also depend on what is available in retail stores in the form of 4K movies ...until that market is common place brides are not going to buy a 4K TV (around $3000 here still) and also a 4K player JUST to watch their wedding once or twice.

I would love it if they did but it won't happen too soon. The only thing I have changed so far is apart from the mandatory DVD sets, brides appreciate the wedding on a USB so we add that now to the delivery ... the average computer monitor at home rarely exceeds the specs of HD. However I DID read a good article on why 4K rendered down to 1080 produces a better image all due to chroma sub sampling

Why Does 4K Look Better on 1080p Monitors - YouTube

Interesting video Chris, it certainly backs up what Noa says. Thanks for that.

So now we've all got to buy 4k cameras so we can see 1080 correctly? Aaaaaargh!

Dave

Hi Dave

It opened my eyes too. Even if you look at 4K videos on You Tube that have been uploaded at 3840x2160 and watch it at normal 1080 it still looks a lot better than 1080 (my broadband splutters and buffers if I watch my 4K uploaded stuff online) so it usually defaults to 1080P anyway (even less now and again) but what he says is true ..it does look at LOT better!!

In fact maybe I'm kidding myself but even my renders down to MPEG2 720x576 seem to be sharper than 1080 down to 720x576

Sadly, my brides still insist on a DVD set even if it's just for the grand parents!! - but they also get a USB too!! I haven't been brave enough to supply any bride with a 4K wedding on USB but I might chance it sometime!!!

The video makes a point I was already aware of that if you upload 4K videos to Youtube, when viewed at a lower resolution, which is no doubt true of everyone, the quality is better. So whilst 4K videos for 4K viewing is still not possible for most people, 4K video for excellent HD viewing can be fully appreciated now.

My main dislike of Blu Ray delivery is that we have a limited range of software to produce said Blu Ray.

I don't have Adobe Encore, and I'm not going to buy a monthly subscription from Adobe when FCPX is arguably just as good as Premiere. Therefore, I'm left with Toast as my only viable software option, and I'm not making any menus with Toast that are going to be pleasing to the eye of brides and grooms.

That's why I've taken to USB delivery with Taky's TakyBox. I'd rather push files than recorded media on discs.

Agreed Pete

I'm shooting 4K now and again but the BIG issue is that as amazing as the image is, you have to consider how many of your couples will own a 4K TV, never mind a 4K TV and a 4K player! Probably one in 30 of my brides actually know what a BD is never mind a 4K player. The 4K market will also depend on what is available in retail stores in the form of 4K movies ...until that market is common place brides are not going to buy a 4K TV (around $3000 here still) and also a 4K player JUST to watch their wedding once or twice.You have not been able to buy an SD TV for years & the price of a 4K TV has plummeted recently. A 40" 4K set is under £500 & a 65" 4K set is about the price that I paid for a 60" 1080p set four years ago 4K Ultra HD (2160p) | All TVs | John Lewis (http://www.johnlewis.com/browse/electricals/televisions/all-tvs/4k-ultra-hd-2160p/_/N-6srfZ1z0mgcd?Ns=p_price.extravaganzaPriceListId%7C0)

4K TVs will be the norm very soon

I rarely get a blu ray request, although I don't push it too much. I'm a let the dust settle and then I'll buy kinda guy. Patience is a virtue.

My original post was somewhat sarcastic.

I still deliver on SD DVD. Only 2x delivered a BD DVD.

I'm going more towards digital online delivery myself and it will be interesting to see what happens with this UHD BD DVD format.

I had not heard JVC TY was discontinuing discs. I hope that's not true because I love their product.

Hi Nigel

Yep they have dropped here too ..the first ones were close to $5000!! However the bottom line is STILL the bride and groom need to buy one and regardless of price that might not be a priority for them at this stage of their life and they are certainly not going to buy a new TV to keep the video guy happy!!

When it becomes commonplace then demand for 4K media will increase. I'm actually surprised manufacturers are still looking at mechanical players and optical disks ..one would think that a totally solid state solution would have been a better idea? It must be cheaper to put a USB socket on a TV cabinet than produce a player?

one would think that a totally solid state solution would have been a better idea? It must be cheaper to put a USB socket on a TV cabinet than produce a player?

No, it's far, far cheaper to produce BDXL discs, which is already being done. I use them for archival purposes actually. It's a lot cheaper to release media on it than it would be to release it on solid state. And solid state would be a lot easier to crack too, especially because once the protection scheme is cracked, you can just copy it off instead of having to read it off a disc.

Ultimately they would like to go streaming only for purchases because it's the ultimate control for the rights holder (including revocation of purchased copies and no resale market), but I bet BD and DVD are still a healthy market and the bandwidth just isn't there world-wide to really make that happen in a way that would make sense to kill the potential sale of 4K physical media.

Though I think BDXL 4K Blu-rays aren't going to be as hot. BD will get super cheap because of it, but I doubt it's going to spurn 4K TV sales. That's going to happen when the market finds out that people are not going to adopt it en masse and only when a) they come to the point where they need a new TV and b) might as well get 4K because it's basically the same price.

Good point Gary

It's all about ongoing sales!! Much like the good ole inkjet printers where the machine only costs you $100 but you spend 10 times that buying ink cartridges!! As long as you own a UHD player then you need to buy disks don't you?

I read somewhere than Sony make precious little profit selling their Playstations BUT they make a fortune with the games they sell.

As long as you own a UHD player then you need to buy disks don't you?



The difference from say Inkjet Printers is that one can buy for example an LG 4k tv, a Samsung 4K player and have disks released by Disney. So each will independently push for 4K, but none can cut costs dramatically on the basis of expensive peripherals. Those Production companies producing disks, would welcome anything that makes people buy their favourite movies all over again. Companies making 4K players would hope it becomes a new fad as will those producing TV's. Of course its not going to happen that quickly. As Gary said, they'll upgrade when they need a new one. HD TV's were in a way helped by the new slimline versions that came out. I think when I got my first HD TV, it was more because it replaced a bulky 28" beast of a machine with a 40" slimline than because it was HD. Obviously when I saw HD on it for the first time I was impressed with the quality, but that appreciation came only after I bought it not before.

Unless clients see their Weddings in 4K they can hardly base any comparison to DVD's. So SD as a delivery format will exist for many years to come, but I do think 4K delivery will start to rear its head as some do upgrade their TV's and players. Even geeks get married contrary to popular myths.

One thing that makes me cynical about 4k TV is that so many people convince themselves how great it looks. I clearly remember only a few years ago delivering wedding DVDs to couples that had just moved up to a new HD TV. The comment was always that 'It looks so much better in HD'. I never had the heart to burst their bubble by pointing out that the better TV made it look great even though it was still SD. Nigel mentioned that 40" 4k tvs are being offered at a very reasonable price, but a 4k TV picture in a typical UK lounge will not look any different to an HD TV. It's only when you start to go above 50-60 inches that the increase pixel numbers will give a noticeable improvement over HD at longe viewing distances. That of course is assuming that any broadcast or streamed content is not compressed to hell anyway!

Even at last Sunday's wedding show one groom asked if the video he was watching was 4k as it was very sharp. I pointed out that we use 4k cameras to film but deliver on DVD or in HD on USB. I love 4k for filming and stills lifting, but until there is an affordable delivery system that is widely adopted, I can't see much demand for some considerable time no matter what TV they have.

Roger

Roger, you are a cynic. I dont need to convince myself of anything. When I saw a video I shot in 4k in the Yorkshire Dales on my new 55" TV at the start of this year, I was blown away by the quality. Like looking through a window. For years I've tried to capture the beauty of the place with Photography and video and always been left dissatisfied. Until then. Watching 4k on my 28" monitor also shows greater detail than watching the same video on my HD monitor, but of course I'm a lot closer. Actually even watching 4k on an HD monitor is better than watching HD on an HD monitor. The video posted earlier in the thread made the same point.

Of course TV's upscale SD to fit their HD screen, so hardly surprising people don't notice the difference. SD on my 4k 55" looks mostly crap, with some content suffering more than others. I'm not disagreeing that deliverable 4k is a long way off, though had 2 such deliveries this year. However as you yourself have proven Roger, 4k is becoming a term to be used by enquiring couples. Whether we can deliver it or not, and I can, such 4k related queries are only going to become more common once 4k blurays hit the market next year.

Roger isn't actually a cynic at all, he is blessed like me, with cameras that are so sharp that HD looks like 4K! OK Steve for one will poo poo this statement but seriously our FZ1000's, in terms of sharpness, knock the stuffing out of my old $4000 Sony EA-50's even with Sigma art lenses on them!!

Is it the Leica optics? is it the internal processing? I have no idea but one thing I do know is that I could fool any tech-head groom into thinking the 1080P footage is actually full UHD ...it really is that sharp!!

For the cinematic people, you probably wouldn't like it, but I'm sitting on my edit desk right now doing speeches inside the venue and it LOOKS as good as 4K ... My preview monitor is 1920 pixels wide and if I still had Sony footage on the time line it would look good, I agree but NOTHING like what I'm seeing!

All in all Roger can be forgiven as a cynic as these cameras even at FHD LOOK like 4K!!!

And yet Ray Roman still charges 9K+ for a glorious 1D/5D 1080p video, I imagine at some point he too will need to switch to 4K to stay competitive but brides probably love his films because of the typical Canon color but especially because of the softer image these canon's produce which hides imperfections and which makes all his brides skin look silky smooth. They don't want to see a pimple in 4K.

Chris your camera is like the GH4's kid brother. HD from the GH4 is very sharp and barring 1" sensor differences, no doubt your camera is similar in results. So I'm hardly going to poo poo your opinions. However sharpness and detail although similar, give different results on a 55" 4K TV. No matter how sharp HD is, it will never give the same detail on a 4K TV or Monitor as true 4K. I know, I've watched 4K on my monitor then an HD version down sampled from the 4K. The image is sharp but not as detailed as the 4K. Not the same looking through the window effect.

Now I'm interested in cinematic, but cinematic to me isn't about lack of detail and sharpness. I've seen some great examples of cinematography in TV and Movies where detail and sharpness is clearly there. I know the full frame users value the softness as it flatters the skins, but to me wide shots don't look as cinematic, they just look mushy. The C100 which is often considered a cinematic camera by some, is way sharper than a 5D.

So really Chris, I'm not saying your camera footage isn't very sharp, that it can't fool many in thinking its 4K, but perhaps you need to see some 4K shot on your camera on a large 4K screen before judging the true value of 4K.

Now I'm interested in cinematic, but cinematic to me isn't about lack of detail and sharpness. I've seen some great examples of cinematography in TV and Movies where detail and sharpness is clearly there. I know the full frame users value the softness as it flatters the skins, but to me wide shots don't look as cinematic, they just look mushy. The C100 which is often considered a cinematic camera by some, is way sharper than a 5D.

I think the "cinematic = soft" look comes from people who grew up watching movies in low-end theaters and on VHS.

And yet Ray Roman still charges 9K+ for a glorious 1D/5D 1080p video, I imagine at some point he too will need to switch to 4K to stay competitive but brides probably love his films because of the typical Canon color but especially because of the softer image these canon's produce which hides imperfections and which makes all his brides skin look silky smooth. They don't want to see a pimple in 4K.

I find it easier to soften the skin of a 4K image than add detail and sharpness to a soft 5D wide shot. I speak from experience here.

I can't wait to enjoy movies in 4K at home.

Not so sure about delivering wedding films. I get many brides always asking me to make them look beautiful on video. The last thing they want to see is their defects in Ultra HD.

Thanks Steve

I was really expecting a poo poo but being a true gentleman you gave a dignified response and I salute you for that!!

Pity you don't live close enough! The best I can do at present is run my 4K footage on the computer's biggest monitor and crank the resolution to max BUT it's still nowhere near a 4K TV .. I will really have to find someone with a 4K TV and see for myself.

This thread seems to have become a 4k fest at this point, but I have a question relating to that of the UHD (4k) Blu Rays. Do you really think people will buy them? I mean smart TVs are very popular (I just bought a 720p smart TV over a 1080p regular TV because it is only 32" at about 10 feet away and in doing the math, it shouldn't matter, but I digress.) With how easy it is to stream, with Vimeo hopefully choosing to support 4k in the not so distant future and YouTube already supporting 4k, not to mention most smart TVs having USB ports, why would people even bother with disks? Regardless of what I've ever heard, in practice, a video played from a USB, has always looked better than any DVD/Blu Ray. Maybe the UHD Blu Rays have fixed the issue, which for me has been the codec. Adobe stopped supporting DVD/Blu Ray burning so would we have to go to Sony's software for a UHD disk to burn? Will it have to be a form of MPEG that looks as bad as what we've seen from MPEG2 which is what Encore requires for DVD/Blu Ray?

Roger, you are a cynic. I dont need to convince myself of anything. When I saw a video I shot in 4k in the Yorkshire Dales on my new 55" TV at the start of this year, I was blown away by the quality. Like looking through a window. For years I've tried to capture the beauty of the place with Photography and video and always been left dissatisfied. Until then. Watching 4k on my 28" monitor also shows greater detail than watching the same video on my HD monitor, but of course I'm a lot closer. Actually even watching 4k on an HD monitor is better than watching HD on an HD monitor. The video posted earlier in the thread made the same point.

Of course TV's upscale SD to fit their HD screen, so hardly surprising people don't notice the difference. SD on my 4k 55" looks mostly crap, with some content suffering more than others. I'm not disagreeing that deliverable 4k is a long way off, though had 2 such deliveries this year. However as you yourself have proven Roger, 4k is becoming a term to be used by enquiring couples. Whether we can deliver it or not, and I can, such 4k related queries are only going to become more common once 4k blurays hit the market next year.

Steve, my cynicism is not directed at fellow professionals, we all know and can see the difference, but at the clients who want to buy the latest high tech gear because it is cool, but haven't a clue what they are seeing and think that watching a DVD on a 4k TV will be watching 4k!

Roger

Steve, my cynicism is not directed at fellow professionals, we all know and can see the difference, but at the clients who want to buy the latest high tech gear because it is cool, but haven't a clue what they are seeing and think that watching a DVD on a 4k TV will be watching 4k!

Roger

Ah my mistake. :) I agree with you there.

Do you really think people will buy them?

Well me for a start. Personally I agree that a USB type playback is better and I'd welcome a system which could be available even now of downloading a movie as a 4K file for transfer to USB to be then plugged into my TV. Is such a thing available, er no. Streaming relies on a good internet speed, for me a long way off as I struggle with HD. So bluray it is for now. No doubt in time, things will change. However disk delivery will alas be around for a few good more years and then some I expect.

Not so sure about delivering wedding films. I get many brides always asking me to make them look beautiful on video. The last thing they want to see is their defects in Ultra HD.

Defects will be all too apparent from HD disks up-scaled to a 4K TV. In fact I'd say an HD movie can appear sharper than a 4K video sometimes. Seems weird, but with 4K the sharpness comes from the detail, whereas HD, the image has been enlarged and sharpened to give a 4K appearance. Its hard to describe the difference unless you've seen it, but if couples decide to buy a large 4K TV, your HD and even SD delivery may show up the Brides defects as the TV does its best to turn it into 4K.

This thread seems to have become a 4k fest at this point, but I have a question relating to that of the UHD (4k) Blu Rays. Do you really think people will buy them? I mean smart TVs are very popular (I just bought a 720p smart TV over a 1080p regular TV because it is only 32" at about 10 feet away and in doing the math, it shouldn't matter, but I digress.) With how easy it is to stream, with Vimeo hopefully choosing to support 4k in the not so distant future and YouTube already supporting 4k, not to mention most smart TVs having USB ports, why would people even bother with disks? Regardless of what I've ever heard, in practice, a video played from a USB, has always looked better than any DVD/Blu Ray. Maybe the UHD Blu Rays have fixed the issue, which for me has been the codec. Adobe stopped supporting DVD/Blu Ray burning so would we have to go to Sony's software for a UHD disk to burn? Will it have to be a form of MPEG that looks as bad as what we've seen from MPEG2 which is what Encore requires for DVD/Blu Ray?

To answer that. People still prefer physical product. Blu-ray/DVD's aren't selling like they were 10 years ago, but they aren't struggling to sell at all. The top selling Blu-ray this year is Big Hero 6 which has sold close to 3 million copies and has outsold the DVD.

This thread seems to have become a 4k fest at this point, but I have a question relating to that of the UHD (4k) Blu Rays. Do you really think people will buy them? I mean smart TVs are very popular (I just bought a 720p smart TV over a 1080p regular TV because it is only 32" at about 10 feet away and in doing the math, it shouldn't matter, but I digress.) With how easy it is to stream, with Vimeo hopefully choosing to support 4k in the not so distant future and YouTube already supporting 4k, not to mention most smart TVs having USB ports, why would people even bother with disks? Regardless of what I've ever heard, in practice, a video played from a USB, has always looked better than any DVD/Blu Ray. Maybe the UHD Blu Rays have fixed the issue, which for me has been the codec. Adobe stopped supporting DVD/Blu Ray burning so would we have to go to Sony's software for a UHD disk to burn? Will it have to be a form of MPEG that looks as bad as what we've seen from MPEG2 which is what Encore requires for DVD/Blu Ray?
Streaming 4K in full quality is a non-starter. Even HD streaming is not done at proper bit rates. Blu-ray disc is 25-30Mbps (max 40Mbps) whereas as HD streaming (BBC, YouTube, Vimeo etc) is about 5Mbps (less than DVD bit rate). 4K Blu-ray is up to 100Mbps whereas Netflix are streaming 4K at 20-25Mbps.

Incidentally the medium is irrelevant. video played from a USB will never look better than DVD/Blu Ray just because it's on USB. It might if it were a higher bit rate but chances are that it will be lower as most disc rips are much lower bit rate than the original.

Encore is still supplied & supported by Adobe but is frozen at the CS6 version so you cannot use dynamic links to Premier Pro or After Effects CC assets (I always found dynamic links terribly unreliable anyway & stopped using them). You use Adobe Media Encoder (or Compressor or whatever else you want to use) & import a finished MPEG4 file into Encore. If it's not Blu-ray compliant then it will be automatically converted for you. If the target disc is a DVD then it's converted to MPEG (a requirement of the DVD specification).

Good point! I supply the couple 1080P video on USB at a measly 8mbps ..otherwise I would need a massive USB if I was to supply the footage at 50 mbps! Imagine a 100 minute wedding in 4K on USB at 100mbps ...It would be cheaper I think to give the couple a 1TB portable USB drive instead!!

Due to the fact most need to be powered, that would somewhat defeat the portability objective??

Encore is still supplied & supported by Adobe but is frozen at the CS6 version so you cannot use dynamic links to Premier Pro or After Effects CC assets (I always found dynamic links terribly unreliable anyway & stopped using them). You use Adobe Media Encoder (or Compressor or whatever else you want to use) & import a finished MPEG4 file into Encore. If it's not Blu-ray compliant then it will be automatically converted for you. If the target disc is a DVD then it's converted to MPEG (a requirement of the DVD specification).

Thank you Nigel, I stand corrected. Should have looked into Blu Ray bitrates a bit more before posting. I haven't done a lot with Blu Rays at this time because most people I work with only have DVD players sadly.

That being said, when it comes to Adobe Encore, I am aware that it is supported and supplied at the CS6 level, because I use it on a regular basis and very much like it. That being said, my concern is that it won't be able to encode the new 4k UHD Blu Rays. Will that not be an issue?

I imagine that if blank 4K Blu-ray disks are available, there shall be some software around to create them. Maybe Abobe will update Encore or maybe another company will produce something. Encore is useful for linking to Photoshop but I'd welcome another disk authoring software as its not without its faults. I don't think it's something to worry about now though. :)

I agree with Steve. It's too early to be sweating this.

If 4K blanks hit the USA by Christmas then we will probably get them the following Christmas! Due to initially low demand I would suspect they would be very pricey as well as 4K burners for your computer. Sure they will drop as demand gets better but at first they will hardly be economical as a delivery medium. My first 4X (yes 4X) HP DVD Writer cost me close to $1000 when they came out and now they are $20!!

We are probably looking at either the 2017 or even 2018 season before they become affordable so as Steve says don't sweat it!!

However it's still worth shooting in 4K and downsizing to 1080 due to the chroma sub sampling ..it's a much nicer picture!!!

If 4K blanks hit the USA by Christmas then we will probably get them the following Christmas!

These are the 4K Blu-ray blank discs. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G5RVT5W/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00G5RVT5W&linkCode=as2&tag=rustyauto-20&linkId=DZV6QBHZSRHRM6WG)

Due to initially low demand I would suspect they would be very pricey as well as 4K burners for your computer.

Here are your 4K burners. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007YWMCA8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007YWMCA8&linkCode=as2&tag=rustyauto-20&linkId=XO2ZN5NYMBOQP7CS)


The only thing that's actually missing is software that will make BDXL 4K discs in the proper format. An Encore update seems unlikely, but an Encore CC 2016 would be nice to give people the ability to make these discs.

I may be incredibly naïve but, I don't see anything on either the BDXL discs or the burner to suggest that they are able to handle 4k video. From what I read on here (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150805005853/en/Blu-ray-Disc-Association-Commence-Licensing-Ultra-HD), it sounded like 4k Blu Ray discs would be different then standard discs, but I could be totally wrong.

This quote specifically makes me think their will be dedicated 4k discs, "New Ultra HD Blu-ray discs hold up to 66GB and 100GB of data on dual and triple layer discs respectively."

This quote specifically makes me think their will be dedicated 4k discs, "New Ultra HD Blu-ray discs hold up to 66GB and 100GB of data on dual and triple layer discs respectively."

The BDXL discs are triple-layer 100GB. There's also a BDXL quad-layer 128GB but I've never seen any of these for purchase.

The 66GB dual layer is a clue though. If they have altered the densities than it's possible these new discs are different if they can hold an additional 13GB per layer. Remains to be seen.

The fact that it says, "New Ultra HD Blu-ray discs..." makes me think that there will be some specific design change in either how they are read/written or the makeup of the discs themselves. Only time will tell.

If we look at Gary's link, BDXL discs will only play on a BDXL machine.

If we look at Gary's link, BDXL discs will only play on a BDXL machine.

That' s correct. If it's just the BDXL format and not some tweaked variety that has higher densities in dual layer, then it should work with a 4K Blu-ray player, but not in anything current. I'm not aware of any set-top BD players that will accept BDXL discs of any kind.

Gary, thanks for the links. Delighted to see 4k burner for $49! Discs are pricey, but who cares, it's not like any one will be using gobs of them for a long time.