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On DVi: Fast, Formidable, and 4K: the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II at DV Info Net (http://www.dvinfo.net/news/fast-formidable-and-4k-the-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii.html)

Any Doubters out there now?


Fast, Formidable, And 4K, All-In-One Camera Canon U.S.A. Introduces The EOS-1D X Mark II Professional Digital Camera
Feb 1, 2016, 11:00:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
Delivering Precise and Reliable Performance with Versatility for Any Photo or Video Professional

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MELVILLE, N.Y. – Rising to meet the rigorous and evolving demands of professional photographers and videographers, Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging, is proud to announce the new EOS-1D X Mark II DSLR camera. With a new 20.2 megapixel 35mm Full Frame Canon CMOS sensor and Dual DIGIC 6+ Image Processors, the EOS-1D X Mark II professional digital camera delivers stunning image quality and speed. Combining the ability to capture high-resolution still images at speeds up to 14 frames per second as well as stunning high-definition video up-to-4K 60P featuring Canon’s proprietary Dual Pixel CMOS Autofocus (AF) technology, the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II camera becomes the ideal camera for any professional image creator.

Okay, they may have not officially released the press release earlier in the day, but this checks out.

CFast 2.0 seems to be where manufacturers are now seriously moving to, but the cards are still a rarity.

These Rare cards are available at BH Photo

SanDisk Cfast2.0 Replacement for SanDisk CFast 2.0 | B&H Photo

All of it is blah blah blah for me until you get to dual pixel touch screen focusing, like the 70D.
4K at 60 fps is good, too.

Wondering how high it will have clean iso?

Still 8-bit.

Still 8-bit.

This means no 1DX2 for me -- how disappointing.

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I'm wondering if 4K is targeted at still shooters who want to pull a 8MP still photo by shooting 60 times a second.

I was actually expecting to completely write this camera off, but Canon has dropped some nice video features into it, at a price that isn't completely insulting.

Still, if I'm dropping $6k on a camera, I'll probably get a Sony FS5, as I need XLR inputs more than I need something super compact.

Dpreview:
With its touchscreen-operated Dual Pixel AF system, the 1D X II should be one of the easiest cameras to capture footage with if you're not an experienced videographer. The autofocus should be able to refocus without distracting focus wobble simply by tapping the screen. What's more, tracking sensitivity and AF speeds can be adjusted for movie recording, allowing videographers to optimize continuous focus for their particular application.

For me the allure is being able to use some of my super nice fashion/sports lenses and capture 4K with touch screen pulled focus. For example Jet Ski stunt riders looks so perfect when framed in my Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens. I just can't imagine a better fit for my needs. Also it's great for shooting some 4K videos of my Models when on location as well.

Here’s a link to a video from Canon introducing the EOS-1D X mkII. It does a great job going over features and the like.

Canon DLC: Gallery: Introducing the EOS-1D X Mark II (http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/galleries/galleries/tutorials/eos1dx_markii_gallery.shtml)

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Thanks look like good resource.

Can it do super slo mo though ?

Can it do super slo mo though ?

It can do up to 120p in full HD:
Introducing the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II: Video Features - YouTube

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I'm glad they put the touch screen on it... the 70D spoiled me. It's the one thing holding me back from the 7D Mk. II.

I'm glad they put the touch screen on it... the 70D spoiled me. It's the one thing holding me back from the 7D Mk. II.

Same here.

Or rather, its the one thing holding me back from the Sony A7S ii

I use the 70Ds anywhere the light is decent/good. Already have a 5d Mark ii for worse light. Am starting to save for new cameras, thought the A7S ii with 4K and baller low light was the answer, then see this new Canon has touchscreen focusing and think.... hmmm... maybe I'll hold out for all 3 things together (4K, low light, touch screen focusing).

4K looks to be the ideal solution for DSLR video.

When DSLRs were first released, they skipped pixels to go from the ~20 MP sensors to the ~2 MP of HD. The aliasing was horrible. The 5D3 added in-camera filtering to eliminate aliasing, but the filters were small, so resolution suffered.

With windowed 4K, we get true, optically anti-aliased video without pixel skipping or digital filtering. And there's another advantage... If you are delivering HD, you can filter in post using high-bit depth and effectively get 10-bit video having started with an 8-bit input. By reducing the resolution by 4:1, we can re-purpose that information as four time the previous number of levels, which gives us the additional two bits. This is similar to audio: If you sample it fast enough, 1-bit is all you need. :)

Here is a very nice sample 1DX II 4K video (including underwater footage) and featuring Abraham Joffe. I love the new tracking autofocus capabilities in video mode:

EOS-1D X Mark II 4K Video Capabilities Test With Abraham Joffe - YouTube

Pat

Interesting... 4k video at 60P at a reasonable size and price. Now let's see that image processor in a proper video camera. I'm imagining something with a single 1" chip, 30-600mm (equiv) zoom range, no larger / heavier than the old XHA1, ideally more like the XF200, XLR and mini-jack audio inputs and the all-important zoom-speed dial beside the rocker switch. If they can do a really good smart optical/digital zoom extender (even if only for HD), the lens can just be a 10x or 12x, with the consequent saving in weight and/or improvement in image quality, speed, etc. Could it be ready for NAB??

Interesting... 4k video at 60P at a reasonable size and price. Now let's see that image processor in a proper video camera. [...] Could it be ready for NAB??

What I'm hoping would be ready for NAB is a 1DC2 -- with 10-bit, C-Log, dual CFast, balanced audio, etc.

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Here are some more specific specs and comments about the Canons 4K recording capability.

The 4096x2160 pixels of the 4K recording are derived from the center of the 5472x3648 total pixels contained in the full-frame image sensor. The area just outside the 4K image area is masked.

The 4K files are recorded as 4:2:2, 8-bit Motion JPEG, the same codec used for 4K acquisition in the EOS-1D C. Motion JPEG essentially produces a separate JPEG image for each frame of video. It’s a very high quality file and delivered at very high bit rates – up to approximately 800Mbps for 4K movies shot at 59.94p!

Notably, 4K movie clips are recorded without limitation in regards to the length of the clip – subject only to the following two exceptions: 1) the size of your recording media, and 2) the traditional 29:59 minute time limit on the length of continuous DSLR video recording. Therefore, the EOS-1D X Mark II has the capability to keep recording 4K 60p video up to 29 minutes and 59 seconds under normal temperature conditions, providing, of course, that you have enough memory card capacity.

The width of the 4K image is 1/1.34 the width of the full frame image. This is similar to the APS-H size of an older generation of 1D cameras. That makes it a bit tough for ultra-wide angle shots. A 16-35mm lens is now 21 - 47mm. An APS-C lens might not fill the whole frame or might vignette badly. Then again, the 11-24mm lens gets you 15-32mm, so the limitation isn't so bad.

The main win is that this uses the native optical anti-aliasing filter with no additional processing needed, so the result should be as sharp as an ASP-H photograph (differences in codec, shutter angle, etc. aside.)

The real mystery is how sharp/soft HD recording will be. Will is use 5D3-like filtering, or will it have improved performance? 120 fps full-frame FHD with a sharp result would be very nice.

Then again, the 11-24mm lens gets you 15-32mm, so the limitation isn't so bad.

Yeah, but at f/4.

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Interesting... 4k video at 60P at a reasonable size and price. Now let's see that image processor in a proper video camera. I'm imagining something with a single 1" chip, 30-600mm (equiv) zoom range, no larger / heavier than the old XHA1, ideally more like the XF200, XLR and mini-jack audio inputs and the all-important zoom-speed dial beside the rocker switch. If they can do a really good smart optical/digital zoom extender (even if only for HD), the lens can just be a 10x or 12x, with the consequent saving in weight and/or improvement in image quality, speed, etc. Could it be ready for NAB??

I expect this from Sony first, The HXR-NX100 is basically this but limited to HD acquisition. However, to compete with the DVX200, they MUST have UHD 60p. Also, this Canon is using MJPEG, not H.264 or H.265.

Yeah, but at f/4.

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Well... there's the 14mm f/2.8 prime. That gets you a 19mm equivalent.

The Tokina 11-16 is f/2.8 and I believe that its image circle is a bit larger than ASP-C. In fact, at 16mm, my understanding is that it covers full frame.

If necessary, one can shoot full frame 1080p if you really need that ultra wide angle.

Fortunately for most people, ultra-wide video is a "corner case", never mind the vignetting pun...

I wonder why they kept it at 8 bit?

Well the Canon C300 Mark II only shoots up to 4096x2160 @ 30fps it will do 10-bit 422 though
They probably don't want the 1DX2 to be shooting 4096x2160 @ 60fps and do 10-bit right? For only $6000!
Just a guess.

I'm surprised at just how much EOS Cinema model cannibalism protections Canon placed on this 1DX2.

MJPEG compression? This CODEC literally is about as old as MEPG 1. To get the quality high, they need to heavily crank up the bit rate. This of course, eats extremely expensive CFast card space like crazy. No need to place a recording time limit in the firmware, the card size and cost will automatically do that task for them.

HDMI 4k disabled? That's nice, no external recorder to escape CFast and MJPEG!

Canon says that they "had" to use MJPEG to keep the CODEC processing heat down. They say that if they used a 10 year old h.264 CODEC in 4K, this camera would overheat in just a few minutes. What? How many cell phones, GoPros, action cameras and Sony APSC and full frame models can shoot 4k h.264 encoding with no heat trouble?

Ok, so Canon cant keep their h.264 4k encoder cool the way the rest of the industry does. Fine,...wait, are they disabling 4k over HDMI for "heat problems" too? That's even harder to blame on "heat".

The simple truth is that they are protecting their C300-II. Why cant they just come out and say that? Is it really that shameful?

CT

From a purely Video Perspective I totally sympathize with your thinking that the 1DX2 codec etc is behind. But from the still photographer perspective which is actually who the camera was really targeted at it's really kick ass. So lets not throw them under the bus quite yet. It's a great pro still camera that has some upgraded video capabilities. It's pretty cool that they offer touch screen for 4k movies because you can pull frame grabs at 60 fps. So wedding, model and sports photographers should be able to nail just about the right exact look for that still image. That's assuming 16fps in RAW live view isn't enough!

Canon says that they "had" to use MJPEG to keep the CODEC processing heat down. They say that if they used a 10 year old h.264 CODEC in 4K, this camera would overheat in just a few minutes. What? How many cell phones, GoPros, action cameras and Sony APSC and full frame models can shoot 4k h.264 encoding with no heat trouble?

CT

My Go Pro Hero 4 records at 60Mbps. A number of sony cameras record at 100. I don't want that kind of bit rates. The files would be lousy.

The C300Mark II records 4K at 410Mbps. So the files are highly detailed. If Canon wants then they can definitely reduce it and there won't be much of heating. Canon wants to give files that are detailed.

As far as no 4K over HDMI, it is an omission. I am not going to miss it though. I don't even plan to use an external recorder for the C300 Mark II, unless the client demands it.

The C300Mark II records 4K at 410Mbps. So the files are highly detailed.

Well, the 1DX2 shoots 4K 60p @ 800 Mbps.

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Has anyone been able to find out what the Equivalent "bit rate and color space" will be when internally recording 4K @ 60fps into MJPEG format? Another words is the MJPEG they're recording to kind of like 4:4:4 12-bit? Or is it different.

If I dropped the MJPEG video clip into Adobe Premier Pro CC would I be able to convert it directly to a 4:4:4 at 12-bits video file of some sort like H.265 or something else with good results?

I probably should ask this question in the Video Editing section but since the camera isn't shipping to customers till May 1, 2016 (that's what Canon's Pre-order status emails say).
I will test it out myself as soon as I get it!

Maybe Chris Hurd with all his secret contacts can get an idea?

Well... there's the 14mm f/2.8 prime. That gets you a 19mm equivalent.

The Tokina 11-16 is f/2.8 and I believe that its image circle is a bit larger than ASP-C. In fact, at 16mm, my understanding is that it covers full frame.n...

I'll confirm that the 11-16 tokina covers full frame at 16mm and a touch wider.