View Full Version : Prime Lense and EX3? Can anyone please provide some advice?


Patrick Bronte
May 6th, 2018, 06:09 AM
I'm new to using the EX3 and don't know to much about how it works with Prime Lenses. My only intented use of such a combination is to shoot "talking head" interviews. There is only minimal neck movements when conducting them. I'm looking towards the option of using a Prime Lense to achieve a short depth of field when space/room is to tight to be able to have that much space between the background and interviewee, good distance between the camera and interviewee or both problems at once. Can anyone please suggest some possible options for a lense and mount? It would be most preferable to have the Prime Lense connected to the EX3 when making all the necessary adjustments.
Any advice would be most appreciated.

Doug Jensen
May 6th, 2018, 07:18 AM
If your primary use of the EX3 is going to be shooting interviews, I recommend getting a different camera. No matter what lens you are able to mount on the EX3, the 1/2" sensors are going to be the limiting factor. There are many other cameras that would be better suited for interviews with shallow DoF. The EX3 is still a decent run & gun camera for HD shooting, but in comparison to other cameras today, it is not a good choice for interviews.

In fact, you could probably buy an entirely new camera for less money than what you would have to spend on a lens adapter and lens(s) for the EX3 -- and you still wouldn't get shallow DoF anyway.

BTW, there is no difference in the look between a prime lens and a zoom lens when the focal length and f-stop are the same.

Dave Sperling
May 6th, 2018, 07:25 AM
Not a simple answer...
Basically, the EX3 has 1/2" sensor sizes - that means that you will have more depth of field (more in focus) than with a larger sensor camera.
The zoom that came with your EX3 is fairly fast (in terms of f/stop). Of course shooting wide open gives you the shallowest depth of field.
If you take off the lens and use an adapter to go to a prime lens, you may achieve slightly better sharpness, but unless the prime lens is exceptionally fast you won't reduce the depth of field much. If you're on the longer end of the zoom, because of slight ramping f/stop design, wide open for the stock zoom lens might be about f/2.4. If you replace it with a prime lens at the same focal length that's an f/1.4, you're reducing your depth of field somewhat. In a small room this won't help that much...
I should also mention that you will want to check out your adapter availability if you go this route. I don't know of any Canon/EX3 adapters that allow you to adjust iris, so you might want to look to Nikon or PL options.

But the other way to go to reduce DOF is pretty clunky. It's to use an adapter that creates the DOF of a Super35mm sensor camera - such as a Letus35 adapter. This is a big rig that mounts in front of the camera (usually on support rods.) I found these expensive and finicky. They used to be expensive, though you could probably pick up a used one now for a song - just make sure it works!

If course the other thing that you could pick up very reasonably at this point (probably less than the cost of a new Letus adapter) would be a used F3 - takes prime lenses - Super35 sensor for true shallow DOF - still looks great! Same gammas as EX3, and the two cameras can be adjusted to match pretty well using the picture profiles.

Remember, the main elements in determining DOF are Focal length, iris and sensor size. Changing to a prime adapter on the EX3 doesn't change focal length or sensor size for a given shot. Adapters such as the Letus change the effective focal length and sensor size, hence their reduced depth of field.

Doug Jensen
May 6th, 2018, 07:53 AM
There are many new and used cameras that would be better suited for interviews than an old EX3. Depending on budget, my suggestions would include:
FS100, FS700, F3, FS5, FS7

Patrick Bronte
May 6th, 2018, 08:59 AM
Thanks for the advice guys!

The EX3 was a good deal but doesn't sound like it's going to provide the results I need. Can still use as a B-Roll I guess. The Sony F3 looks like a good camera to go for but has no XRL ports from what I've briefly read, Can you suggest any other cameras from other manufacturers that would get me that SDOF for a similar secondhand price?

Thanks again!

Chris Hurd
May 6th, 2018, 09:12 AM
Patrick, have you considered the JVC GY-LS300?

Price has dropped to about US$2,500 and it records 4K or HD using MXF or AVCHD codecs, has XLR audio inputs, is a traditional video camcorder with a Super 35 sized sensor and a Micro Four Thirds interchangeable lens mount for MFT still photo lenses, or Canon EF with an adapter. It can give you a shallow depth of field with the right lens. Plus it can "zoom through" a prime lens, with a 1.2x ratio in 4K or va 2.3x ratio in HD.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/4k/brochure/GY-LS300_Brochure_sep01.pdf

Doug Jensen
May 6th, 2018, 09:15 AM
All of the cameras I suggested above (FS100, FS700, F3, FS5, FS7) have XLR jacks. That is a mandatory requirement of any camera that I would recommend for shooting intverviews.

Jan Klier
May 7th, 2018, 05:05 AM
As someone who has an EX3, F3, and FS7, and still regularly shoots on the EX3 (why toss out a perfectly good camera if the conditions are right?)...

The EX3 is very capable camera even these days for online content if you use it in good lighting conditions and don't need the look for shallow DoF that is more contemporary but also just a style. These days I don't think it makes sense changing to anything but the stock lens on the EX3 (like the old Letus adapters, etc.) because you would get better results on the other cameras which have proper S35 sensors (F3, FS7, etc.).

But what you are giving up on those other cameras when using primes is that you no longer have auto focus and power zoom. Now in a basic talking head that may not matter as much. So that is a judgement call.

If you're looking for a bargain, the F3 is an HD only (like the EX3) but comes with a PL mount, so glass is going to be pricey. You can go FS7, which is a step up in price and get E-Mount with a plethora of affordable glass and the ability to shoot 4K if needed. Still limited choices on AF. And as opposed to the F3 or FS7, the EX3 you can grab from the bag and be ready to shoot in 30s. No assembly required.

And as already pointed out, all those cameras have XLR, phantom power, and everything you need for interviews. Those are table stakes.

If you need to stay on a budget, and need basic prime lenses for basic talking heads, you may also look into a lot of the mirror less cameras that do video, like the Sony A7s, the GH5, etc. Lots of choices at affordable prices. Those are not ENG cameras, and may require a few tweaks for sound. But may get you closer to what you need visually at that price point. Easy enough to record XLR sound into a Zoom H4 and a scratch track into the camera for easy audio-sync.

Doug Jensen
May 7th, 2018, 06:41 AM
This is a good thread with lots of solid advice. Just felt like throwing that in.

Bill Ward
May 11th, 2018, 09:42 AM
Thanks for the advice guys!

The EX3 was a good deal but doesn't sound like it's going to provide the results I need. Can still use as a B-Roll I guess. The Sony F3 looks like a good camera to go for but has no XRL ports from what I've briefly read,
Patrick: If you got a great deal on the EX-3 and want to stay with it, you can always do your best to achieve the interview shallow look by doing the following: back up and shoot your interview at as close to full zoom as possible, and light it so you can shoot wide open. You can definitely get some separation from the background--but if you are shooting in a broom closet, you are SOL. The EX-3 remains a great run and gun handheld HD camera. I still have mine and use it for those kind of shoots.

I'd also second picking up a used F3 for interviews. They are dirt cheap now. I have a pair of them, and when coupled with an Optitek Prolock lens mount and some fast Nikon glass, the results are awesome. If you go that way, get your hands on one of Doug's F3 manuals. Totally worth it.

Patrick Bronte
May 13th, 2018, 05:47 AM
Thanks for all the advice. The EX3 I purchased only lasted a couple of weeks after it was dropped so I've had to cleam insurance. So this leaves me a bit stuck as they won't replace the camera and will most likely pay out what I paid for it. So could anyone here please suggest some cameras in the lower end of the professional market place?

I've been looking at the Canon C100 Mk II for it sounds like I can get that SDOF within a small room/area. This is one of my key requirements in a camera for what I will only be using it for: sit down interviews of the talking head variety. It's also in my budget. The Sony EX3 fell short making it easy to achieve SDOF and was my first professional interchangeable lens camera. I didn't get a chance to really learn how to use it properly. Before that I used a Canon XF100. I posted a question about the C100 in the Canon forum and the one answer I received mentioned that it is more for cinematography than videography and will need a fast lens to capture SDOF. This has made me wonder if it's beyond my experience. I think once I've studied the manual, watched videos and read all that I can find about a camera, I should be able to work it after a decent amount of time playing with it in order to find and work out how to use everything I will need. The only thing is I need to have a decision made asap so I can get back to work as soon as everything has been sorted out with the insurance.

Can anyone please recommend a camera and a lens that will first record great HD footage and can capture talking heads with SDOF. I use a 3 point lighting system so will always have good light. I always do everything manually but have noticed some cameras have AF with face detection which is fine with me. So the only other requirements are that it comes in at $5.5, with the lens preferably within $1200. Do I need 4K? The end results will be headed towards TV but other than that it's going towards independent film festivals and the web. Will 4K become the required format within the next 3-4 years? Your help with some recommendations for a good camera and lens would be really appreciated here as I don't want to be talked into the wrong camera & lens by a salesman. I need to go in prepared.

Doug Jensen
May 13th, 2018, 12:37 PM
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, any of these cameras will suit your needs. They are ranked in order of quality, so buy the best one that your budget will permit:
FS100, FS700, F3, FS5, FS7

A good interview lens would be any 85mm f/2.8 or faster. Other lenses may also work, but that is a good go-to lens for interviews when you are starting out and don't really know a lot about these types of cameras. Do not get suckered into buying one of those f/4 lenses with an 18-110mm (or similar) zoom range. They are all wrong for interviews or for anything that you want to look cinematic. You will be best served by a fast 75mm or 85mm prime for interviews and then you can build your lens collection from there as budget and needs dictate.

John Nantz
May 13th, 2018, 02:31 PM
There was a brief mention back near the beginning of this thread about the need for XLR inputs but not much after. If XLR inputs are needed, there are two options to consider: one is to use a pre amp such as the JuicedLink, and the second is to use a separate recorder.

Since hardly any of the cam or camera manufacturers list their audio specs, and there is little to no independent testing of their audio section (based on what I’ve been able to find), one might assume the audio section isn’t the world’s best quality. On the other hand, separate preamps and recorders pretty much always have audio specs published. How accurate they are may be another question but at least they’re published.

With regard to preamps, there are 2-channel ones in the used market that are not that expensive. If one changes cams, the pre can moved over and reused so it isn’t like something like some accessories that aren’t transferrable.

The other option, going with a recorder, has a lot of flexibility and is something that would most likely outlast the technology of any cam or camera one selects. Even a relatively inexpensive recorder will have an audio capability as good as, and most likely better, than any cam one would get (we'll never know because cam manufacturers tend not to publish their audio specs), and, a LOT more flexibility. As an example, the Tascam DR44WL has bluetooth so it can be controlled from a smart phone or iPad, and has vu meter capability.

If lack of XLR inputs are a dealbreaker, a separate audio unit would make more cam choices available and maybe provide better audio at the same time.

Doug Jensen
May 13th, 2018, 03:23 PM
All of the camcorders I've suggested (FS100, FS700, F3, FS5, FS7) have XLR inputs and tons of highly configurable audio settings. Some of them even offer four channels of 48KHz 24-bit quality audio. There is absolutely no reason to mess around with audio preamps or separate recorders. This is 2018, why on earth would anyone want to bother with that hassle if interviews will be one of the primary uses of the camera?? Simply record onboard the camera and be done with it. Period. That is one of the great time-saving and hassle-saving advantages of using professional camcorders instead of DSLRs, mirrorless cameras, and other devices that are not designed for professional video production and require a lot of extra gear and wasted time in post.

Leslie Wand
May 13th, 2018, 05:39 PM
well said doug.

i find it astounding that anyone in the business of shooting serious interviews would even dream of going through the hassles of setting up external 'primary' recording equipment, i often use a zoom as back up, just in case, but...

Dave Sperling
May 13th, 2018, 06:40 PM
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, any of these cameras will suit your needs. They are ranked in order of quality, so buy the best one that your budget will permit:
FS100, FS700, F3, FS5, FS7

A good interview lens would be any 85mm f/2.8 or faster. Other lenses may also work, but that is a good go-to lens for interviews when you are starting out and don't really know a lot about these types of cameras. Do not get suckered into buying one of those f/4 lenses with an 18-110mm (or similar) zoom range. They are all wrong for interviews or for anything that you want to look cinematic. You will be best served by a fast 75mm or 85mm prime for interviews and then you can build your lens collection from there as budget and needs dictate.

Hi Doug,

Although I understand why you would have ranked the cameras this way, when I'm shooting 1080 and the client absolutely does not want LOG, I prefer the look I get from the F3 as compared to the others, and place it at the top of my list. (of course obviously not an option of they want 4k, and if I do LOG with it that means I'll be recording externally.)

Last week I also picked up a Sigma 50-100 f/1.8 Art lens for interviews, and my initial tests with it have impressed me. Yes, it may not be quite as crisp as my 85 prime, but clients often want to go back and forth between 2 sizes for interviews (during the question), and I was finding that if the room was big enough to move the camera back from the subject my 28-70 wouldn't have quite the reach on the long end. Plus of course the Sigma adds an extra f/stop on the wide open side. (and last week all the Art series lenses seemed to be getting a $100. discount, so I jumped...)

Doug Jensen
May 13th, 2018, 07:30 PM
Hey Dave, I always value your comments and, as usual, I agree with almost everything you have written. But I'll stand by my ranking of the cameras . . . for someone who is new to big sensors, removable lenses, etc. On the other hand, if I was advising someone else, such as yourself, then I might be inclined to move the F3 ahead of a couple of the other cameras. In fact, I agree that an F3 with the Sigma 50-100 f/1.8 would be another good choice for the OP. But with that said, if someone has the money, I'd tell them just to skip over all the other cameras, grab an FS7, and don't look back. An FS7 would meet almost anyone's needs for the next five years and beyond and would provide amazing ROI.

There are many excellent combinations of cameras and lenses that will fit the bill for shallow depth-of-field interviews with excellent images and audio quality. But there are even more really bad choices to be made, and my comments earlier today were intended to steer someone away from going down a foolhardy path of using audio equipment (or certain types of cameras) that they don't need and would actually prove to be counterproductive.

Jan Klier
May 14th, 2018, 05:25 AM
i find it astounding that anyone in the business of shooting serious interviews would even dream of going through the hassles of setting up external 'primary' recording equipment, i often use a zoom as back up, just in case, but...

That may certainly be the case for single talking-head OMB work. But I regularly find clients paying for the audio tech to do a lav/boom combo in corporate work. Even more frequently if there are multiple people and you get past 2 channels with lav/boom.

In those cases the audio tech uses an external recorder and provides a mix-down feed to the camera. Both camera audio and recorder files are delivered to client.

I find it makes sense in many scenarios as it allows the crew to work faster and be more focused for a relatively small investment. Especially in a market that is pressed for time and not an easy noise or RF environment (NYC).

Jan Klier
May 14th, 2018, 05:51 AM
Can anyone please recommend a camera and a lens that will first record great HD footage and can capture talking heads with SDOF. I use a 3 point lighting system so will always have good light. I always do everything manually but have noticed some cameras have AF with face detection which is fine with me.

Any of the camera choices that have a CMOS sensor and an E or EF mount will do. That large sensor in combination with quality glass at reasonable cost will give you that look. So the Canon Cxx line or the Sony FS line are both your go-to places. If those are out of budget, a Canon 5DMIII with a separate sound recorder or a variety of the Sony/Panasonic 4/3rds may be a budget compromise that is certainly viable.

There are many finer points about any of these cameras that people can debate for hours in terms of choice (and have). Not sure there is a simple answer as it depends on a lot of factors and personal preferences.

Not sure what camera you are currently coming from and if a DSLR like or a Cine camera like setup will be easier to switch to workflow wise. Generally speaking always good to divide and conquer on the upgrade curve and not tackle everything at once.

Do I need 4K? The end results will be headed towards TV but other than that it's going towards independent film festivals and the web. Will 4K become the required format within the next 3-4 years? Your help with some recommendations for a good camera and lens would be really appreciated here as I don't want to be talked into the wrong camera & lens by a salesman. I need to go in prepared.

Highly dependent on market. HD still is the norm here, but I've gotten 4K specific requests on a regular basis. There's a bit of an expectation that you can do 4K if asked, though everyone will be upfront about it, so you can just pass on those jobs.

My recommendation would be to pick a cheaper HD only camera and invest more into the lens. By the time jobs skew more towards 4K than they do now, upgrade the camera and you'll already have good glass. Quality SDOF looks live by quality glass more than anything.

That being said, I would validate that SDOF look requirement, and also the degree of blur. That seems to be driving a lot of your choices and painting you into a corner you may not need to be in.