Hi all, I have had my HD101 for a few months my (it is my first professional camera) and not knowing about filters I didn't purchase any at the time. Now I am armed with a bit more knowledge I now know I need to get some filters. My question is if I buy filters to go on the 16x lens which I think is 82mm is that right? I can't use them in a mattebox can I? (because a mattebox is 4x4 square arn't they?) So should I purchase any 82mm filters now or wait unitil I get a mattebox?

Hi all, I have had my HD101 for a few months my (it is my first professional camera) and not knowing about filters I didn't purchase any at the time. Now I am armed with a bit more knowledge I now know I need to get some filters. My question is if I buy filters to go on the 16x lens which I think is 82mm is that right? I can't use them in a mattebox can I? (because a mattebox is 4x4 square arn't they?) So should I purchase any 82mm filters now or wait unitil I get a mattebox?

Hi Sean.

Yes, the lens uses 82mm filters. I got a polarizer (Tiffen) and a clear filter (just for protection) when I bought the camera. I believe these will always come in handy, regardless the use of a mattebox. I saw somebody mentioning the Formatt box, it seems a decent deal for this camera (~$500.00+ adapter). For what I see from their documentation the box connects to the lens via an 82mm adapter. That will allow you to use the 4x4 filters.

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The only 82mm filter I would ever suggest is clear, 1A or UV if you are going to be in rugged conditions and need something to protect the front lens element.

Otherwise, go with a matte box and square filters. You can't beat the ease-of-use, quick changing of filters, and the ability to rotate some filters for effect.

If you can't afford glass 4x4 filters and matte box (a considerable investment,) then look into SLR style plastic filters. I've used my Cokin P-Series filters on a DVX100 numerous times. You can buy a kit with the filter holder and some starter filters at any camera store for under $40.

So what about UV Filters? can you get 4x4 or should you use 82mm filter? also does a UV filter change the picture in anyway?

I was looking st purchasing a chrosziel mattbox with rod supports and I was just wondering if I would need the quick release adapter tripod plate as I no not have one?

Also anyone recommend some budget 4x4 filters brands to start my collection of.

cheers

I was looking st purchasing a chrosziel mattbox with rod supports and I was just wondering if I would need the quick release adapter tripod plate as I no not have one?


I have the Chrosziel 450 kit. You don't need the JVC QR setup with it. I attach my Bogen balance plate directly the the Chrosziel base without problem.

thanks nate just what I needed to know, saved me some money

Hi Sean,

I'm probably too late with this but I've been checking out CAVISION they seem to do a good product and I think (but could be wrong) that its a tad cheaper than crozial. Like to know what you think, as I'm considering going down this route myself in the New Year.

Regards Greg

I'm probably too late with this but I've been checking out CAVISION they seem to do a good product and I think (but could be wrong) that its a tad cheaper than crozial. Like to know what you think, as I'm considering going down this route myself in the New Year.
Greg,

I have the Cavision 4x4 with rods and handles and I think it was well worth the money, however I'm not fond of their French Flag Eyebrow. I rented a clip on Crosziel for my second camera on the weekend, and I must say that the Crozsiel flag is just plain simple, easily adjustable and aluminum. Cavision's is plastic and essential has two positions which require loosening of the nut to position.
The disadvantage of a clip-on with the Fuji 16x lens is that if you make it too tight, the focus ring won't turn easily.

Tim, thanks for the input I well check the cavision. So you would recommend the cavision over the Chrosziel?

Also is this the mattbox you are talking about?
http://www.cavision.com/matteboxes/4x4bellows/4x4bellows.htm

Tim, thanks for the input I well check the cavision. So you would recommend the cavision over the Chrosziel?

Also is this the mattbox you are talking about?
http://www.cavision.com/matteboxes/4x4bellows/4x4bellows.htm

Yes that is my exact setup. Notice the funky clamp on the top of the french flag. That is my biggest complaint.

However, the bellows is really long, so in most cases (unless using the wide adapter) full extension of the bellows will eliminate unwanted flares.

do you ever find you need the side flaps? with the bellows being so long

do you ever find you need the side flaps? with the bellows being so long

The side flaps aren't something you can just throw on at a moment's notice, so you kinda have to decide if you are going to use them before you shoot.
I've never put them on, except to check their fit, and it took about 1 to 2 minutes each side because you need to unscrew 4 rods and then screw them back in place with the side flags.
If I didn't have a grip with flags ready to flag flares, then they might have a use, otherwise the french and side flags just add extra weight to the front.

With the bellow mattbox install on the camera are you still able to hold the lens control or does the support rods get in the way?

Also what makes the Follow focus unit so expensive? almost $2kAUD

With the bellow mattbox install on the camera are you still able to hold the lens control or does the support rods get in the way?
A little bit, but I use the handles when handheld and my 1st A.C. pulls focus.

Also what makes the Follow focus unit so expensive? almost $2kAUD
Precision engineering. You can find cheaper solutions elsewhere.

Hi tim,

You have a Cavision bellows with a croziel flag, Is that right? I was thinking of 16:9 have you had any experience with that version? I also just got stadicam flyer how compatable do you think the 16:9 would be with rig.

All the best, Greg.

P.S by 'clip-on' did you mean matte box or flag?


"The disadvantage of a clip-on with the Fuji 16x lens is that if you make it too tight, the focus ring won't turn easily"

The only 82mm filter I would ever suggest is clear, 1A or UV if you are going to be in rugged conditions and need something to protect the front lens element.

Otherwise, go with a matte box and square filters. You can't beat the ease-of-use, quick changing of filters, and the ability to rotate some filters for effect.

If you can't afford glass 4x4 filters and matte box (a considerable investment,) then look into SLR style plastic filters. I've used my Cokin P-Series filters on a DVX100 numerous times. You can buy a kit with the filter holder and some starter filters at any camera store for under $40.

Tim,

I have a Cokin p setup laying around somewhere that I was going to experiment with. (mostly the 4x4 polarizer) did you run into much of a problem with sunligh reflecting around inside the filter setup? Just thinking of that or a Cavision mattebox later or a really good 82mm polarizer and adjusting it without putting finger prints on it inside the stock lens hood.

having used both, the cavision is crap. the chroziel is a much more precise and better built unit. you'll use the chroziel on you next couple of camera, won't say that about the other.

when it comes to follow focus units, its all about how much slop they have. the good ones have almost none, and as you go down in price, the slop goes up. not to say you can't use them, its that I hate cheap tools making the job harder then it has to be.

as for the quick release, the chroziel has a sony v mount on the bottom so it will mount with a sony plate. I don't like sony plates. they have a tendency to grab on only on side, yet let you think its good because it locked in place. while I normally catch this, I didn't two weeks ago an put my camera on the floor :( :(. see the the thread about DIY handle repair. using most tripod plates directly on the camera means you have this big piece of metal sticking out, and often into you. something I only do if the camera plate didn't make it to the shoot. its a lousy way to work.

mate I use the 450 with the 251, and for the first time ever one of my jobs went bad because I used my Tiffen Polariser in conjunction with it. I've used the filter ever since getting the camera and mattebox, basically it gave everything a magenta cast. I have since found out this is a common problem with 3ccd cameras, have you found anything similar?