1. From shot transtitions (like the automatic focus and zoom pulling)
2. to locking or unlocking DV audio
3. to Peaking & Magnifying for best focus adjustments
4. to AV-->DV conversions
5. to HDV footage downconverting from your recorded HDV tape
6. to ext. controling another device via IEEE1394 and letting it continue to record if tape runs out
7. to total timecode and userbit settings
8. to complete EVF color correction
and more.

Now there ARE some things that the SONY Z1U has that the Canon XL-H1 does not have that are worth noting......

1. The Z1U has 2 different color bars type
2. it has an audio limiter even when in manual
3. it has an audio trim adjustment
4. they both have steadyshot, but the sony have various TYPES of steadyshot
5. it can downconvert footage to letterbox & crop in addition to the squeeze mode! (xlh1 only does anamorphic)
6. it has that pretty melody music when switching buttons *smile*
7. it has a usage/drum hours meter
8. it has +9 & +15 db gain as well as the others
9. it has that cool color correction feature
10. *important* it has PAL format for free
11. *important* and for the stab in the back....it has the ability to downconvert LIVE footage to DV while recording HDV to tape!

unfortunately the Canon XL-H1 doesn't do any of those tings above. And thats it. Those are the things the Sony has/does that Canon can only dream of!

*mourning*

*sigh*

OK....But are you ready for the list of stuff the XL-H1 has the the Sony Z1U doesn't??? (i hope i have enough room here) lol

1. *important* The XL-H1 has FOUR CHANNELS of audio in HDV & DV mode
2. *important* it has the ability to be controlled externally from a laptop computer
3. *important* it has ltc timecode in & out along with genlock and hd/sd sdi
4. it has BNC for composite video in/out
5. it has Real RCA jacks for connectivity
6. *important* it has a built in 2.1 megapixel camera
7. *important* it has a slot for an SD card that can save TOTAL CAMERA INFO to be swapped with others, studied or examined before & after shooting
8. it has a mic that can be switched from stereo to mono
9. *important* it has 1/48th shutter speed!
10. it displays the audio levels at all times, even if in auto mode
11. *important* it displays focus distance in feet or meters
12. it has clearscan
13. it has the ability to use your 6 custom presets AND NAME THEM to whatevever you want or to use NONE AT ALL
14. it can accept userbit information from aan external source
15. *important* it can AUTOMATICALLY set your cassettes userbit information to DATE or TIME
16. it can SUPER IMPOSE camera settings and info on top of the photos you take (for your DP when scouting those locations)
17. *important* it has REFERENCE TONE of 1khz!
18. *important* it can let you monitor the recorded audio signal or the LINE OUT SIGNAL via headphones!
19. *important* it has 2.35:1 MARKERS!!! (along with a bunch others)
20. it can display your timecode and userbit info on the screen simultaneously
21. it can FLIP THE EVF without a magnet for use with the Micro35 adapter!
22. it can FREEZE the timecode while recording (but still be going internally)
23. *important* t doesn't take 20 years to 'wake up' from styandby to begin recording again
24. during playback of tapes, it displays ALL THE DATA CODE simultaneously if you want
25. it has -3db gain option
26. *important* it's prettier!

*smile*

Now....take your pick.
Personally, i think the canon is spankin' the sony's ass all up and down the street like he brought home a bad report card to a down south black momma who ain't havin' that!

Ofcourse...you have to pay for that extra (but awesome & extremely usefull) functionality.

The few things that the sony does not do...I will not miss one bit, and NONE of them will effect a film-shoot or DP's effectiveness. Albeit, I am happy it downconverts the HDV tapes to DV via FireWire (i am pretty bummed out that it doesnt downconvert to DV via FireWire while recording to HDV to tape) But Psshhhhhhh, it's better then nothing! The JVC HD100 doesn't downconvert ANYTHING AT ALL!

- ShannonRawls.com

shannon, did you know that sony was a no show at the dv expo?
can't wait until i can figure out a cost effective way to record the uncompressed video.
hope to get one soon.
maybe after NAB.
Darrell
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shannon, did you know that sony was a no show at the dv expo?

Darrell
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Huh....what the heck are you talking about? Are you telling me SONY DID NOT HAVE A BOOTH AT THE DV EXPO WEST IN LOS ANGELES???

You're kidding right!!

I was busy at the Hollywod DV Festival so I couldn't come by...but that's IMPOSSIBLE that Sony would not be at the Expo.

You must have missed their booth! *smile*

- ShannonRawls.com

i looked once then twice i looked high to see the big sony sign they always have and saw nothing.
maybe someone else can conferm this.
my guess is they new all the attinion would be on canon and panasonic.
we'll see if they have something up there sleave at NAB.
Darrell
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At this point there are a ot of manufacturers examining their tradeshow committments. There are now so many different shows, that half the year of many of these marketing people is spent flying to one coast or the other to attend a show. This is a good way to burn up your budget, and burn OUT your staff...and yes, Sony wasn't there.

Take it as a sign that at least one manufacturer is saying "OK...there's just too many."

As the shows start to close, participation levels will go up again. It's just hard to justify the price of participation for all these shows when the audiences are getting more and more fragmented...

Personally, i think the canon is spankin' the sony's ass all up and down the street like he brought home a bad report card to a down south black momma who ain't havin' that!
Quote of the month.

Quote of the month!

(and Shannon, you left a couple out: 24F mode, and the ability to interchange the lens, and the ability to zoom to 108mm, and the ability to interchange the viewfinder, and the ability to input & jam-sync timecode...)

Huh....what the heck are you talking about? Are you telling me SONY DID NOT HAVE A BOOTH AT THE DV EXPO WEST IN LOS ANGELES???

You're kidding right!!

I was busy at the Hollywod DV Festival so I couldn't come by...but that's IMPOSSIBLE that Sony would not be at the Expo.

For the first day or two, this was true. They paid for the booth space but then didn't show. I guess it really started to look bad for them so on the third day they threw something together for days 3 and 4, but it was kind of embarrassing compared to the other three manufacturers' setups...

For the first day or two, this was true. They paid for the booth space but then didn't show. I guess it really started to look bad for them so on the third day they threw something together for days 3 and 4, but it was kind of embarrassing compared to the other three manufacturers' setups...

Ah...well there you go. I wasn't at the show, I just know that I was told a month or so preceeding the show that Sony would not attend.

Interesting.

The XL-H1 lens' telephoto is exactly TWICE as long as the Sony lens is, but the Sony lens is a little wider then the XL-H1 lens (and you can tell)..

Sony - 4.5 - 54 mm
Canon - 5.4 - 108mm

While that extra long length is nice for surveillance, nature, sports, & long shots.......I'd rather have a wider lens (for narrative movie making)

They both stop down to f1.6 on wide. In full telephoto, the Sony is f2.8 while the Canon is f3.5

The Sony goes to f11 before closing. The Canon goes to f9.5 before closing.

(the JVC lens stops down to f1.4 (faster then both Sony & Canon) and goes to f16 before closing. At distance at wide&tele is 5.5mm to 88mm. So it's just as wide as Canon, but not as long. It's longer then Sony, but not as wide.)

So...in my opinion, the Sony lens is better for moviemaking out the box.

Just thought I'd point that out.

- ShannonRawls.com

One more thing Sony has that Canon doesn't: a deck. As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon. So you're stuck with using the camera as a deck. That's (a) a pretty damn expensive deck, and (b) a problem if, like me, you often shoot while somebody else is editing what you shot the previous day. Except for that, I like the Canon better than the Sony; but not being able to use a deck would be a deal killer for me.

Decks are coming. Let the camera out first. LOL The FX1 didn't have a deck for months!

- Shannon

Yeah, but the FX1 is a total consumer camera, while the Z1 is closer to a professional tool. It had a deck when it was introduced. One problem I'm having with HDV these days is that it appears we're going to have 3 formats: Sony, JVC and Canon. They're all HDV, but a JVC tape won't play on a Sony deck and a Sony tape won't play on a JVC deck and a Canon tape won't play on a Sony deck unless it's recorded interlaced. At least that's what I've been reading. If a single standard that will play on all decks (assuming there will be more decks) doesn't appear soon, there will be problems with professional use of the format, I think. I realize in the early days of DV we had DV/DVCAM and then Panasonic's DVCPRO, and neither would play on the other's decks. However, it didn't take long before Sony DVCAM decks would play DVCPRO tapes and vice versa. So maybe there's hope. However, with NAB only a few months away...I'd wait if I were seriously in the market at this time.

true true...

But the way I see it now...there are only TWO formats: the new 720 and the new 1080.

The new 720 is what the HD100 will handle...backwards compatible with previous versions of 720
The new 1080 is what the XL-H1 will handle...backwards compatible with previous versions of 1080

With those two cameras, you can play and digitize any and all HDV ever made.

Just that simple.

- ShannonRawls.com

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, JVC actually calls their format 'ProHD', not HDV. Does the official HDV logo appear anywhere on the JVC? I don't recall seeing it on there at NAB.

-gb-

Yes it says HDV all over it. It' sthe only JVC camera that ever has said HDV on it.

The original marketing made it sound like ProHD was their own new format, but they've since clarified that no, it's HDV, ProHD is just more of a marketing term. Just like ProfessionalDV, the label they applied to the original DV500 camera -- it was regular DV, but they wanted to differentiate it from consumer DV.

Actually it's called ProHD to differentiate from “normal” (or the first flavor) HDV, which is 1080i. ProHD also has different GOP, so I think JVC just didn’t want people to think it was the old HDV like in the Sony or Canon, but real progressive and more efficient HDV. In my opinion to say ProHD is HDV is like saying DVCPRO is DV. It is, but then again, it’s not.

The Sony goes to f11 before closing. The Canon goes to f9.5 before closing.

Canon says, and it's true, that to take full advantage of HDV and the lens (true of all lenses) it's better to shoot between t4 and t9 - and use ND externally if necessary - very good professional advice, actually..... so this isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.

So...in my opinion, the Sony lens is better for moviemaking out the box.

I've been shooting a little with a friend's Sony. It takes nice pictures, actually, and Sony is noted for very few drop-outs - I have a DSR-300 (with, what else, a Canon lens) that I've shot a lot with for 8 years and I don't think I've had more than 2 or 3 drop-outs in all that time.

But, the XL's lens is far superior to the Sony's in a lot of ways. It's true it isn't very wide, but generally I tend to move closer in on things anyway, I don't like a loose frame (and if you look closly at feature films you'll see that is true for most cinematographers and directors).. I would rather have a lens that's designed for the majority of the stuff I shoot and not a compromise in order to accomodate the few times I need something wider.

This is my first post in this forum. FYI, I am a documentary filmmaker and have worked as a DP in 35 and 16 for over 30 years. In my opinion, the Canon ain't perfect, but it's the one I chose because it "feels" like a camera. I shot a doc last year with the 100A, and while I really did like the pictures it produced, the Panasonic camera felt cheesy to me. The lens clunks and the loose front element and the fit and finish of the camera turned me off. Just my opinion...

there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon.

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?

Joe

[QUOTE=[there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon.]

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?

Joe

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?
Only for 1080/60i. No Sony product will play 1080/24F or 1080/30F.

If you shoot 1080/24F or 1080/30F, the only product of any type on the market that can play it back is the XLH1 camera.

Thanks Barry. It was there all the time but I'm too much of a newbe to really see it unless it's pointed out.

Joe