In my Zeal to create "Chew On This" in HD, I believe I overlooked the fact the network probably can't even view the Master I just sent to them for pilot submission. Late last night I was researching HDCAM and it seems they have a complete different sized tape. This probably means the powers that be at the network will look at me as some kind of hack because I sent them a digital master HDV tape. From what I gather there will be no way for them to play HD footage from a HDV cassette. Below is an excerpt from their HD pilot submission process.

•Programming must be shot and edited on professional HD equipment providing audio and video that meets or exceeds the broadcast standard of HDcam (1080i) or DVC Pro HD (720p) format videotape.

Does anyone have any ideas on what to do from here?
I really thought I was doing great. I thought I could do HD programming from my studio and send it straight to the network each time I finished a show. However, it looks as if I will have to find a way to get an HDV tape converted to HDCAM. I have no idea on how to do this. For some reason I feel it will be really expensive as well. I don't know! When the show was on Fox Sports Net I was able to have a friend dump the show from DV to Beta for me at the Fox News studio here in Cape Coral, FL. Now I don't know what to do. Sorry for the long post. I am just a little disappointed at my miscue.

Regards,
Capt Ben

Hi Ben,

I used to watch your show, it was great! I especially liked the one where you had the guy with locked down reel fighting the goliath grouper. That was a riot!

First, you did not say what equipment you did use, and that is something we may need to know.

Second, I think the studio will be able to view your tape, but they may want it delivered differently in the future. Or, they maybe able to convert it themselves.

Let me know what you find out, as I would love to see your show in HD.

Good luck!----Mike

First of all Mike,

Thanks a ton for watching the show and letting me know you liked it. I have a Sony HVR-Z1U. I received it last year in April and we have filmed 3 shows on it. One show was a big Redfish show in the Mosquito Lagoon where we have 30 and 40 pound Redfish balled up and tailing right on top of each other. The site is awesome to see in HD. The colors and clarity of the fishes scales is remarkable. I also have a show called "Summer Snookin" that we shot in your neck of the woods in Stuart and Jupiter. The final show was a Tarpon and shark show off of Sanibel. I edit the shows in Vegas 6.0c and export them to Sony Digital Master 63 M tapes for the network. Do you believe they will be able to view the tape in HD without an HD player. I don't know how or where to get the tape converted to HDCAM. Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate the response.

Regards,
Capt Ben

Ben,

I would be very surprised if they can't view it, but only time will tell. MiniDV and HD MiniDV have been around for quite some time now.

As far as the camera is concerned, it is as great camera, and I hope that it is acceptable to them. I not up to speed on the various formats, others can give you more info there, but many shows have been shot with this camera.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. I think you should post your main question in the Sony HD forum, so more read it that are familiar with the camera and its use for your type of production/

Maybe you can just email the wrangler of the Sony thread, or Chris, and asked it to be moved.


Good Luck!

Mike

Thanks Mike,

I just send Chris and email.

In Florida, it's easy to get your material transferred to HDCAM from a disk master or from HDV, if you have the deck or camcorder. They can take the component output from the HDV camera and use that as input to the HDCAM deck.
Or, you can send off a hard drive to a replicator/transfer house with a 4:2:2 YUV file on it, and ask them to print it. Should be around 300.00 or so.

Try Evatone in Orlando if you can't find one close to you; I know they can do it.
http://accordvideo.com in Miami does this too.

DSE,

Let me know if I have what you are saying right.

<In Florida, it's easy to get your material transferred to HDCAM from a disk master or from HDV, if you have the deck or camcorder. They can take the component output from the HDV camera and use that as input to the HDCAM deck.>

I will not be able to send them an HDV tape for them to convert. However, I will be able to send them my HVR-Z1 camera along with the tape and they can play the tape through the cameras' component port and then copy to a HDCAM tape. Or I should just convert the whole show to YUV format on a hard drive instead of cineform and then send them the whole hard drive. The shows are typically 28:30 TRT is there a price per minute or something like that from these production houses? Is there any chance the tape I sent can be viewed by the network or did I just blow it?

I really appreciate your expertise.

Regards,
Capt Ben

If the network requires HDCAM or D5, then just tell the post house that. I'd never let the network know anything about HDV if I were you. Just deliver them a master or preview tape on HDCAM or D5, they'll be happy, or should be.

Yes, the replicator/transfer house can take your Z1, component out, and print to the HDCAM deck with those outputs.

I contacted Accord as you said DSE. I am also going to look into contacting our local NBC 2 affiliate. They have switched over to HD so maybe they can help. Is it normal to send your camera to a production house through the mail or would it be best just to by a hard drive to print the show to and send it over to them?

I've sent a deck, but never a camera. In most instances, we've just sent a hard drive over, so that we've got a copy and so do they.

Edited I've reread the posts and I think I misunderstood. The question. You need a conversion from HD to HDCAM?

Or HDV?

Here is a post from the film segment of this forum. Feel free to ad any info you may have.

HDV can't have HDCAM writtne to it, there's no room, and if there was there's no deck that would play HDCAM footage off of an HDV (mini dv) tape.]

Nick,
By the above statement you are informing me that there is no way for a network to play an HDV master unless they have the camera or HDV deck.

If that is true which I feared it was, then I better get on the phone and tell them to send it back when they receive it because I sent the wrong package. I thought I may have made a stupid mistake. However I thought maybe there was a chance that HDCAM decks had the ability to dub HDV to HDCAM and play it as a preview as well. Last night I went to bed with a bad feeling about this and tonight just confirmed it.


What I would suggest is master out your HDV footage to your camera in HDV, Then you would be able to convert out of the camera, through an AJA HD10 converter into the HD-SDI input of an HDCAM deck. Then you record the HDV tape off to HDCAM and you have your HDCAM master.

Here is where I am spinning in circles. How would I personally get access to an HDCAM deck. Is there any chance my local NBC affiliate that broadcasts in HD could dub a master for me if I took my camera and master to them?

you can rent an HDCAM deck. Figure on paying more for a days rental than you'll pay for a house to transfer it. Nick is right, you can't print HDCAM to HDV, but you CAN print HDV to HDCAM.

You would be shocked how many problems you encounter with just normal miniDV in the broadcast world, HDV just wont fly, not for any network. The workaround is easy though, just have it dubbed or dumped from HDD. $300 seems EXTREMELY low for an HDCAM dub from HDV or HDD for that matter. I would suggest you output an uncompressed file and have it transferred from HDD. There are many people doing this... I work in DVCproHD myself so I dont have experience but I am told http://www.vasst.com/gearshift.htm is a plug-in for Vegas that will do just what you need.


ash =o)

DSE and Ash,

It is 3:30 am and I am still looking for a site online in FL that will dub HD or HDV or anything. I don't have any problem at all converting the show over to the YUV Sony codec that DSE mentioned. Is that what file I need to save it to in order to have it printed to HDCAM? If I save the file on a HD, do I just send the whole hard driver over to the Post House and they will know what to do with it from there?

You got mail, Dude.

Ben, you are WAY overthinking on this.
Call the companies I referred you to. I've used Evatone, ask for Ron Dabbs, he'll point you in the right direction.
You can:
1. Send a camcorder with the HDV tape and component cables and they can dub from that. (not my first choice)
2. You can create a 4:2:2 YUV file, store it on a hard drive, and ship them that drive.

They'll print it to HDCAM for you and ship you the tape. End of story.
In SLC, UT, a 48 minute dub to HDCAM is 300.00 plus tape and tax. Tape is 55.00 in the quantity we buy(64HDL), but typically is 75.00 or so per. Cost may vary in your neck of the woods.

DSE,

I really appreciate you putting up with me. I am kind of like a little kid in this. You just have to keep correcting me. I have emailed each place you have suggested accept for EVATONE. I went to Evatones' website and didn't see anything concerning HD only DVD. I guess that is why you said call and ask for Ron Dabbs. I don't feel right asking questions on a board until I have done some exhaustive research on my own regarding the info I am looking for. I take every bit of info that is provided to me here and do my best follow through with each lead.

Ben, in Miami there is a company called Cineworks. The can do it, but it may be expensive.
phone is 305-754-7501, ask for vinney. He will be talking to his post people about this after 3pm EST.

He mentoned the disk option might be best since they only accept sdi inputs to the deck, they have a teranex box or something to facilitate.

They may be out of your price range, but worth a call.

btw, have you ever seen offshorehunters on Fox sports net?

Well I just got off the phone with a production facility out of Clearwater, FL and they gave me some ill fated disenheartening news. The gentleman I spoke with was very helpful and was not sure if HDV to DVC Pro HD would be very good. He said since HDV is bastardiz@d it really is not better than DVCPRO progressive because it is 2/3 of the pixels of true HD. He also said when an HD channel looks at the footage they would know that it is not true HD but an upconverted signal. I am believing converting to DVCPRO HD from sony Cineform HD codec may be the reason for poor quality. I also believe converting to the YUV codec as DSE suggested will hopefully allow for much better quality. Someone in one of these posts has already said they have done this and the network QC approved it with flying colors. That is the result I am looking for.

Ben, when I talk to a lot of facilities, they are worried people think that once it's transferred to HDCAM tape it will look like it was shot on a F900. Most of them are just covering their bases and explaining to people that HDV is very compressed compared to HDCAM and you can't recover what isn't there.
If the transfer is done wrong it looks bad. If the original stuff looks bad, it still looks bad and some people blame the transfer facility.

Looks like you might want to take the advice Spot gave about Orlando.

Well I just got off the phone with a production facility out of Clearwater, FL and they gave me some ill fated disenheartening news. The gentleman I spoke with was very helpful and was not sure if HDV to DVC Pro HD would be very good. He said since HDV is bastardiz@d it really is not better than DVCPRO progressive because it is 2/3 of the pixels of true HD. He also said when an HD channel looks at the footage they would know that it is not true HD but an upconverted signal. I am believing converting to DVCPRO HD from sony Cineform HD codec may be the reason for poor quality. I also believe converting to the YUV codec as DSE suggested will hopefully allow for much better quality. Someone in one of these posts has already said they have done this and the network QC approved it with flying colors. That is the result I am looking for.

Ben, three words: JUST DO IT!

In other words, you're asking cooks about a recipe. You'll get lots of opinions Just do it, so you know what you're dealing with. Although I don't mind discussing this, it's turning into a broken record at this point. HDV is transferred to HDCAM somewhere, every day. Broadcasters will essentially only take two delivery formats for HD in the US. How *does* all that HDV make it to the air if it's so weak? :-) The answer is, it's transferred to one of two formats. HDCAM is by far more ubiquitous.
The codec won't improve the quality of your vid outside of titles, generated media, etc, it just makes it so that it's compatible with HDCAM. But the upshot of it is, you're spending more time typing than it takes to actually get it done.

Just do it.

I just talked to a guy who did some stuff for INHD, he said he cut in Vegas, used the codec I linked earlier to output a 4:2:2 file that was dumped to HDCAM by a prod house in LA. He said in the future to try and edit in that codec if possible, he is using Vegas with network rendering so I am not sure how it would work for you...



ash =o

The 4:2:2 YUV codec renders just fine in a networked situation, whether you're using GearShift or not.
You don't need GearShift if you're done editing, but you can certainly render to the 4:2:2 YUV codec and store on a drive, send it off (as mentioned earlier) and get your HDCAM sent back to you along with the drive.
You need to have the 4:2:2 file for someone to be able to print it straight to HDCAM; otherwise you'll be likely looking at some other conversion.

Alright,

Here is the update:

Dave Herring referred me to InterScreen.tv and they said they did not currently have an HDCAM deck but we could use the SDI port as DSE suggested and record it to DVC PRO HD. DSE,I understand exactly what you are saying about me and the broken record. I have called the Network to tell them the wrong package was sent to them and asked if they would send it back. I am waiting to hear back from them. In my haste to get the show done I did not research this HDV to HDCAM=DVC PRO HD part enough and now I am paying for it by looking incompetent. Lesson learned I will grow from it. I have emailed every contact I have been given, except for EVATONE and they are next. DSE the whole project is hinging on your word. I believe HDV converted to HDCAM will the just as beautiful as it was when I printed the HDV master. Everything was crystal clear and the natural close ups we were able to get of 40 pound Redfish with the tails wagging out of the water is phenomenal. I literally could see scales and single drops of water in the footage. I know if I saw this on another show in HD I would be amazed. If the quality of the conversion to either formats is as beautiful as the HDV original footage then I will be more than pleased. I thank you guys for listening and posting in this thread. If I had something working I would drive the 150 miles to Largo or Miami to get it done tomorrow.

Ben,

I would do what Douglas suggested the first time and put it on a firewire dirve and bring/ship that to a post house. FORGET the whole DVCPRO HD thing, this is just another format that won't be accepted as a deliverable and you'll have to pay for HDCAM dub from the DVCPRO HD. What we do here in L.A. is render our finished show from Vegas to the codec that the place doing the layback to HDCAM is using.

For instance:

If they have a Final Cut Pro HD system with a Blackmagic Deckling card - I render my show to the Blackmagic codec they suggest (Quicktime codec - free at www.decklink.com) to a portable firewire drive and bring them the drive. They transfer that file to their RAID array, put it on the Final Cut timeline and print to tape (HDCAM). If they have a Kona card I use the AJA codec they suggest (again free Quicktime codec at www.aja.com)

The benefit of rendering from Vegas to the right codec is it is instantly useable by the person doing the layback. If you render to the Sony codec or a codec the post house doesn't use, they will have to convert it and this will cost you money! Look for a post house that has a high end Final Cut Pro system with either of the cards I mentioned (AJA or DECKLINK) and owns a HDCAM deck (again NOT DVCPRO HD). Like Spot said, this process should cost around $300.

You don't need a Teranex box or to pay for any other conversion process - just buy a firewire drive big enough to hold your rendered show and a nice case to ship it back and forth to the post house that can handle this simple workflow (dozens of them here in L.A.). There must be several places in Florida that can do this for you - what about Cineworks Lab in Miami? if not send it to Atlanta.

Make sure you get a HD deliverables paper from your network and give a copy to the person doing the layback. That way, if it doesn't pass QC, the post house will usually fix the problems for free.

Remember - you're not CONVERTING - you're simply rendering your Hi-Def show into a format that is easily laid to tape per their specs.. You could do this yourself by purchasing a Deckling HD card and renting the HDCAM deck, but unless you're real savvy with high-end decks, I'd avoid it, getting a frame accurate layback that makes it through your networks QC can be tricky and end up costing more in the end.

Lance

Hey Lance,
Nice to see you around these parts!

Lance that was spot on. Some of the linguistics you used in there will make me sound a heck of a lot smarter when I talk to the post houses. Great post. DSE has helped me along quite well and what you just wrote puts the finishing touches on it. Is there problems with the DVC PRO HD codec or do you think it is not really the standard the networks prefer? You were also correct about Cineform. Vinny emailed me yesterday and said it was no problem. I also have a tape question. http://www.tapestockonline.com/hdcam.html There tapes are Sony HDCAM BCT-32HD Tape
1 - 9 $29.25 ea.

Is this the right tape? DSE and other production houses were giving me much higher prices on the tapes and I wanted to make sure I was not purchasing the wrong thing.

Regards,
Capt Ben

Hey Douglas! Small web!

The tapes will be fine. I assume you have a half hour show. Cineform is a great intermediate codec and much better than dealing with native HDV files.

You can use DVCPRO HD if your network accepts that as a delivery format and you can get a good deal on layback.

If what they really want is standard HDCAM - then don't waste time/money with DVCPRO HD - you already have your show in a superior format (Cineform)!

Lance

HDCAM BCT-32HD Tape
1 - 9 $29.25 ea.

Is this the right tape? DSE and other production houses were giving me much higher prices on the tapes and I wanted to make sure I was not purchasing the wrong thing.

Regards,
Capt Ben

That is a 32 minute tape. I thought your show was 48mins for an hour slot?

DSE I know it is easy to forget how long the show is because it was posted back on page 1. It only has a total run time of 28:30. Since the show is currently in Cineform HD then I should or shouldn't render it to YUV 4:2:2. Alright after I coach wrestling practice I will head over and pick up an external HD. I will get it rendered to whatever format you guys suggest. You all really don't know how much I appreciate the help.

Regards,
Capt Ben

Here is the link, took awhile to find it since it's not on the Kona support page anymore

http://www.aja.com/ajashare/AJASoftwareCodec111Setup.exe

Ben,

I have an HDCam deck and a Z1. I can do the dub for you for $600. You can rent your own deck and do it for $800 + tax. I'll supply the 40 minute HDCam tape and fedex it back for that price. It's not hard.

Keep in mind that the show shot in HDV will be no better because of putting it onto an HDCam tape. Also, if you sent the HDV show to them, they know it was shot in HDV. It may not look bad but be prepared for them to say NO HDV. They may also figure that a week after giving them the HDV tape you show up with the same show on HDCam that you just dubbed it. They may have an issue with the original quality because they know it was not originated in HDV. Just a comment.

I know this because I did the same exact thing (on purpose) with HDNet. I shot a sample in HDV, dubbed it to HDCam and they all thought it was great. Then they asked what I shot it with and after I changed the subject 3 times, I told them my Z1. Thats when everyone changed their opinion. I guarantee you that the show looked great and those folks would NEVER know the difference unless they looked at Identicle footage shot with the F900.

Anyway, I'll help you.

Jeff

Since you alreaady have the show as Cineform files in Vegas, it's silly to go back to HDV. I would just find a post house that can output the renderd file directly to HDCAM with proper timecode start time etc. You'll never get a frame accurate dub from HDV to HDCAM because there are no broadcast standard HDV decks - which would need to have +/- 1 frame accuracy.

Not to mention Jeff's price is double what you should be paying.

Lance

PS - don't render until you confirm which codec to use by the person doing the layoff.

Lance,

You are the man. I see you don't post on here much so I really thank you for speaking up. As of right now Interscreen out of Largo, FL is my favorite by far. The only tough thing is they only have DVC PRO HD at this moment. However, Keith has been very helpful and if you guys tell me I should be able to render to format DVC PRO HD just fine then Interscreen is the way I will go. My second choice is Vinny from Cineworks out of Miami. He was very helpful and knew just what DSE said about how to layback from HDD to HDCAM. Their price was around what DSE said it should be. Some of these houses were telling me some crazy stuff. One told me $350 an hour with minimum 5 hours and the total would be 8 hours. That would have hurt big time. There were others who were less than that but more than what you professionals on here said it would be. I knew to keep my head up and keep searching.

Jeff,

I really appreciate the offer. Owning one of those HDCAM decks is a major investment in my book. It is ashame the Network would be so prejudice about one format over another when they couldn't really tell. I pray this does not happen to me. I will be sure to keep you all updated.

Lastly,
There are certain things I don't understand. The show is 28:30 with 6 minutes of commercial space. I don't have any HD commercials to put in those time slots so I just blacked it out. I hope that was the right thing to do. If not I can redo it. My other thought is: "Chew On This" rendered out during tape print to 12.3 GB's I believe. If I could just print to one of those little 20GB USB 2.0 drives it would be awesome. Kind of like having an HD dvd just in a hard case. To bad USB 2.0 is not an option instead of firewire. It would be great.

Regards,
Capt Ben

Ben, I can't offer any help beyond what's been posted, but I'd just like to say that I and I'm sure many others are following your progress closely, as we may find ourselves in a similar situation one day, and hearing how you are making your way past each hurdle is very valuable info.

One thing you should have on your side if the station starts kicking up about HDV is that you already have an established show and hopefully this will give you a fair amount of bargaining power.

Good luck.

Peter
Perth, Western Oz

Ben, Here's my (further) advice.

1) Do not let the network know that you're not using a big expensive camera jeff's mistake is one that I've heard many times, though, the hd networks are getting so starved for content now that many are accepting shows that were shot with hdv (or with portions of hdv) that they wouldn't accept before. but it's always better to let them think you spent more on it then you did, no one ever complained about too much production value (except maybe the blair witch kids)

2) If it isn't too late don't go to dvcprohd unless that is the specific format that your station wants. Most all stations my company sends to want HDCAM masters. (not to be confused with master quality HDV tapes)

3) You might not need a full 6 minutes of black, most of the projects we do the editors just fade out for 10-20 seconds or so and the network will fill in the rest.

4) I don't know anything about cineform or the like but your quick and fastest option is to go the deck route, the deck you are looking for is an HDCAM record deck, the cheapest one now I believe is the HDW-500 the HDW-F500 records and plays back 24p but you don't need that.

5) The company I work for would probably charge you 300 bucks as well to do the transfer, but we're bigger and that's not a main source of income for us, heck I can probably slide it in on the side if you're still having trouble.

Good luck, if the network calls and asks about your HDV tape just tell them that your "assitant" sent them "the wrong tape" a "downconverted one" instead of the "master" this is commonly known as "lying" but well what they don't know won't hurt them.

Well, after being an observer of this forum for awhile, I had to make my first comment after becoming completely nauseated at where this thread has gone.

First, this is easy. Make no mistake HDV is NOT HDCam or HD-D5 and is not considered broadcast grade by most broadcasters. Suggesting that lying about it is absolutely the wrong advice, for your project, the broadcaster, and the general public.

I have been producing HDTV programming since late 1995, way before HDCam and way before it was either cheap or easy to enter this market. Still today, to do this justice, its neither cheap or easy. Nor should it be. Why you would expect a $8K camera to produce images that a $80K camera with a $25K lens can do is absurd. Is a Chevrolet the same car as a Rolls Royce? Is oil painting the same as coloring with crayons? Of course not. Neither is HDV supposed to be designed for broadcast production. You are not fooling any broadcaster by pretending you shot with HDCam, only making it harder for real productions to be accepted by HD broadcasters.

Why do you think that Discovery HD virtually refuses to consider applications from outside producers? Because of this very issue. Quality or the lack thereof. If you want to produce real HD programming, then rent real HD gear, learn how to use the equipment, never accept a standard broadcast lens, light it properly, learn how to read a real waveform, and learn to color correct and gamma correct with a color corrector other than what is standard on Final Cut. Then and only then do you have a true HD broadcast show. This is what consumers should be watching, not HDV pretending to be what it can’t.

HDV is great for certain applications. A fabulous replacement for any SD format. Great for corporate and industrial applications. We consider it a great “sacrifice” camera. Mounting it in tight or dangerous places where the risk is too high for HDCam or the space won’t allow for a full size broadcast camera. If treated VERY gingerly, HDV can look fine, which mainly means images with less color and movement. But don’t pretend it’s made for broadcast.

Think of it like SVHS, Hi-8mm, and most of the DV formats. A low cost solution for certain production needs, but not meant to be mainstream broadcast. Consumers deserve to see what HD was meant to look like, too bad most of the broadcasters compress the heck out of it. When you compound that broadcast compression with the lower quality HDV imaging, it’s a recipe for poor images to the viewer. Why do you think they are trying to avoid accepting it.

Like most things in life, there is no free lunch. My motto is do it right, or don’t do it at all. Trying to fool the broadcasters because you cannot afford to use HDCam is simply wrong. This is not a grey area. I council new production people on a weekly basis who come to me for answers. I have been encouraging HD production since the day I discovered the format over 11 years ago. We do need more HD production, but we need it done right. HDV is a tool in the tool box, designed for a specific purpose. Real HD is an art form, try to think of it as such.

In closing, my suggestion is to place your program on HDCam and send it to the broadcaster as required. Tell them it was shot on HDV, if they like the content and the concept perhaps they will ask you to reproduce it with HDCam. If so, ask them for part of the budget upfront. In this way you will form a level of trust and respect with a broadcaster who might become a regular source of income for your show. Rent the gear you need or hire an experienced HDCam shooter. Then you are on the road to a long form relationship with a real broadcaster on an honest level. If anyone has questions or wants help with HD, I will be more than happy to try and answer them.

Brian,
Welcome to the forum. But let's be clear on a couple things.
1. HDV is "true" HD. Period. You can assign your own opinion to it, but in fact by both ATSC and SMPTE standard, it is "true" HD. end of story. The spec does not offer up any definitions based on compression. Nor could it.
2. No one suggested Ben "lie" but rather not say how it was acquired unless asked.
3. HDV may not be considered broadcastable by YOUR area broadcasters, but HDV is being broadcast nationwide every day. By channels as diverse as the Food Channel (lots of HDV cams there) to Fox (lots of HDV cams there; I know, because I trained them in the use of said cams) Discovery Channel (one only has to watch Mythbusters or Monster Garage regularly to see the cams show up) NBC (several HDV cams on the street for segment package production) Belo Group (I trained those folks too) CNN (lots of the Z1 and JVC HD100's in various departments) MTV (same as CNN. I trained several of their staff on use of the Z1) and many, many other shows.
HBO has "House Arrest" which is shot predominantly on Z1, several Sundance Channel shows are shot on Z1 and JVC HD100.
Additionally, Z1 footage is regularly intercut with35mm and F900/950 footage.
All that said, does HDV replace HDCAM? Of course not. But to suggest it's not broadcast quality or can't be broadcast is as asinine as the people that suggested this regarding DV 10 years ago. Fully 20% of what has been broadcast in the past year (new production) has DV in the production somewhere, according to more than one industry reporting team. NHK, progenitor of HD, has been broadcasting from HDV masters for over a year.
You're welcome to your motto of "do it right or don't do it at all." I submit that "doing it right" is entirely dependent on your perspective. One perspective is that "Doing it right" means shooting it right with good lighting, production sound, and planning. To someone else, "Doing it right" means renting HDCAM gear, and that's the end of it. If the latter is your view, a lot of folks wouldn't be producing anything due to cost. Therefore, the definition is pretty abstract and meaningless in that context. My motto therefore would be "do the best you can with what you have and/or can afford."

Either way, I think Ben got his answers, so I think it's time for this thread to end. You're welcome to start a new one should you wish.