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Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Well, it looks like Jared Land has elected to serve only those filmmakers using Panasonic products and the Red line which has yet to make an appearance. This of course is his perrogative but I'm sorry he's elected to go this route. Independent filmmakers need a home where they can go to discuss issues and find help and that's what Jared provided which is precisely why people like me invested the time we did on his site. We enjoy imparting our knowledge and meeting others in the industry. I guess everything happens for a reason.

As I make the logical move over to DVi, I must first say that I hope the people who called DVX home will make the move also. We've found a way to do alot of good in the JVC community of users and I'm pleased to have been able to have provided a little of that help. And I'm sure others like Stephen in Chicago feel the same way.

We have a gathering planned at put names with faces NAB this year and with the JVC area having been dropped from the DVX site without notice, all of those people, 23 at last count, who were waiting to hear where the gathering would be now have no way of finding out.

So, let me make my first regular posting here an invitation for all of those who care to to join us at NAB for a small gathering. I have the e-mail addresses of about 11 of the former DVX / JVC owners/shooters and they're coming over and we'd be pleased to see all of those filmmakers with whom we've conversed over the last year. It's an opportunity to share good food and dring and conversation while at NAB.

Instead of flying in, I'll be driving our newest motor coach in and staying at the Circus Circus KOA Luxury Motor Coach facility which is located right behind the Circus-Circus Hotel and Casino on the strip. I've never been there but the only other three luxury motor coach facilities are not just 2-blocks from the Convention Center like this one is so Circus-Circus it is.

The address is 500 Circus Circus Dr., Las Vegas 89109, (702)733-9707 or (800) 562-7270 but again it's actually on the strip at Riviera Drive and if you walk up Riviera 2 blocks you'll hit the Convention Center.

I won't have a space number until I arrive this Friday afternoon at which time I'll post that space number here. For now, though, know that it's planned for 6:00pm Monday April 24 and anyone and everyone's invited, JVC-owners or not.

There'll be plenty to eat and drink from Royal Crown cola to Crown Royal liquor and from Champagne to Chartreuse together with all kinds of food. You can fit about 15-18 in our big coach and another 50 outside and if it does get bigger than that, I have the pool area, cabanas and game room available so whether there's 5 or 500, we should have it covered.

The idea is to get together to put some faces with the names we've been using all year and to share our stories about filmmaking, television production and the JVC camera. If he's back from London, George Dibbie will be there and with 8 Emmy awards and 11 nominations, you could spend the entire night just listening to him.

Also, we'll have the rough cuts of "2nd Unit" playing on the plasma in the main salon area of the coach so you can all see what we we were up to on location in Tunica this last week with the show and Ed Hill and Warren Schultz.

It should be alot of fun and I hope you all can make it. Please PM me so we can get a rough estimate of those who are planning to attend and we'll see you there. Any other questions, call me at 661-305-9564 and lastly, I'll post the Space Number here on Friday as soon as I have it. It should be a great time and I'm happy to welcome you all.

Jonathan

PS. One thing I will miss is no spell check. I'm the world's worst typist!

Adam Letch
April 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM
I must admit Jonathon, I was greatly disappointed this morning to check one of three sites I visit for my daily fix, thats dvinfo,hdforindies and dvxuser, to find no longer the other camera section, do you think or know whether this is a deliberate action to leave out sony and jvc, or is it Jareds just reconfiguring the site, and is yet to put the other camera section back in.

If its gone, it would be a tragedy for the reasons you've already stated

Greg Boston
April 16th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Hello Jonathan,

Welcome to DVINFO and those other HD100 users who plan to join you here. I want to encourage you and the others to read up on our posting policies because we run a pretty tight ship with regards to how others are treated.

No flaming, ranting, personal attacks, platform wars, political, religious discussions because they tend to polarize and degrade into personal attacks at some point. DVINFO is what it says in the name of the forum. A place to gather and discuss creating digital video and the associated issues that surround the process.

Just look at the threads and you'll get the picture. You will find this to be one of the most congenial sites on the internet because we keep it that way, all day, every day.

Sounds like quite the party you have planned there!

Best of luck and welcome again,

Greg Boston

Jarred Land
April 16th, 2006, 09:19 PM
*Hey everyone.. I made the choice to go back to our roots.. nothing against any other companies... It was just hard for anyone to post anything other then their own respective forum, and it started to get ugly when people went exploring. Im bringing back DVXuser to the cameras i feel best suit our audience. It is in our name.

That is why I am directing people here, DVinfo has always been a great place for EVERYONE, always has, and probably always will be. Sorry to upset some people, It was a very hard decision.

Nate Weaver
April 16th, 2006, 09:31 PM
You know what, when put in those words it makes absolute sense.

Tim Holtermann
April 16th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Jarred, thanks for the post, I understand your position and I'm sure it was a hard decision.

In the future (for all forum moderators) can I just suggest a notice is posted with a few days notice so some of us can go through and grab any information we find useful before it's sent to the forums graveyard, perhaps locking the threads for read only?

Just my friendly advice :)

Greg Boston
April 16th, 2006, 09:36 PM
*Hey everyone.. I made the choice to go back to our roots.. nothing against any other companies... It was just hard for anyone to post anything other then their own respective forum, and it started to get ugly when people went exploring. Im bringing back DVXuser to the cameras i feel best suit our audience. It is in our name.

That is why I am directing people here, DVinfo has always been a great place for EVERYONE, always has, and probably always will be. Sorry to upset some people, It was a very hard decision.

Nothing wrong with that decision, Jarred. But I am surprised there wouldn't have been any advance warning. I don't personally know that there wasn't, just getting that vibe from the postings above.

-gb-

Chris Hurd
April 16th, 2006, 09:37 PM
Just to follow up behind Jarred, I'd like to point out one of our many unreasonable and completely pointless (yet firmly enforced) rules: no dissing other sites please, or other site owners for that matter. That's not what we're here for. If you want to discuss the technical aspects of the gear and their creative applications, then you're warmly welcomed here.

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Well Adam, I can say is, as you know we were on location all week in Tunica MS and I jumped on a plane there at 7 this morning to get back here for Easter. In the time that I was in the air to right now, I've had 47, yes 47 e-mails from people at DVxUser who were afraid they couldn't get to me and others through DVxUser like Stephen now that it's been closed to JVC and others. And everyone, I mean everyone is expressing outrage at what's happpened. Many of them are questioning Jared's motivation and some don't care about his motivation but rather his lack of sensitivity in not "giving notice" and that's verbatim; "giving notice" so people could get their affairs together and have time to move elsewhere.

As for me, I have to say that I give Jared credit for doing something that's very difficult; running a Board and if he did, as many suspect, "sell out" to Panasonic and believe me I have no way of knowing if he did or not, I have to say, bully for him. But in knowing Jared as well or as little as I do, remember, I've only been here for about 6-moths (seems like longer, huh?) I have to say that "selling out" is just not his style. This guy puts in countless hours every day and it's one thing for us who work in the industry to come to a Board daily, give our 2 cents with either questions, comments or help and then head back to our jobs but the people that I know that run Boards like this, including Jared, well, let's just say money isn't their motivating factor. He cares. I care. That's why we're producing 2nd Unit. That's why we're still going to promote HVXBootcamp. That's why we're throwing the parties at NAB and that's way we should embrace Jared's decision no natter the reasoning and use the oppportunity we have here with DVInfo to continue the work we started over there. There's no reason they can't be sister organizations...or brother organizations I should say.

As to why the no-notice, I don't know. That certainly would have been the right thing to do but there has to be a reason. People who do what Jared and the dozens of others who run these Boards do who don't do it for the money but to help their fellow man don't do hurtful things on purpose. I guess what I'm trying to say is yeah, it sucks not being at DVXuser because it was so comfortable. But this is another place that can be just as good and better. I've already sent a couple of e-mails to Jared and had a pair of responses. Let's see if we can continue what Jared and I planned and have people head over to the motor coach and pool facilities at 6 and then over to Jared's bash right after. They're only a couple of blocks away from eachother.

And thanks for the PM and e-mail and phone call responses I got wondering where I was going. I hope to see everyone at our parties.

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:14 PM
Wow, in the time it took me to answer Adams one post, 6 others came in on Adam's issue. Well, thankfully, all I can say is I told you so. Guys like Jared don't dump things they've built to help people just to hurt them. These people put in, again, countless hours doing this and it's a great service for the independent filmmaker. So, let's take Monday's party at the motor coach and Circus-Circus and make it a new start for JVC at DVInfo.net and then head over to DVXuser's party. I know 47...no 48 people who are going to be here alot more and seeing Stephen and Tim already here, it'll be a great forum so it should be a great pair of parties!!!.

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Thanks, Greg. What I can say about the JVC area of Jared's board was that, at least in the last 6-months I've been there, people have always conducted themselves with the utmost of decorum. There were no flames to speak of and nothing got out of hand. As a matter of fact, I had two shooters from DVxuser join me in Tunica, MS for a production last week so it's a failry tight family.

Jarred Land
April 16th, 2006, 10:29 PM
I know the no notice was a crappy thing to do to you guys, and I am sorry that it had to go that way. I decided if I did give warning, it might turn into a negative storm and people's anger might be contagious.

You guys can still get to the old posts if you need info here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=67&s=

Again.. sorry for cutting you guys out, but as you know Chris will take very good care of you.

Daniel Weber
April 16th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Jonathan,

Welcome to DV Info. I have been a poster/reader of both forums. The JVC forum at DVX was like a family as you described, but the forum here is full of working professionals that I think you will find, provide a useful place for the exchange of ideas, questions and tech info. You will find users such as Nate, Tim and Stephen here just like they were on DVX.

Chris Hurd has a high level of standards on this site and this has helped to keep DV Info a great place to learn as well as share with others.

I look forward to the quality of your posts here after reading you on DVX.

Dan Weber

Greg Boston
April 16th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Thanks, Greg. What I can say about the JVC area of Jared's board was that, at least in the last 6-months I've been there, people have always conducted themselves with the utmost of decorum. There were no flames to speak of and nothing got out of hand. As a matter of fact, I had two shooters from DVxuser join me in Tunica, MS for a production last week so it's a failry tight family.

Just for the record Jonathan, I wasn't of the belief that you would engage in such behavior. But, the popularity of this site has led to an influx of 'undesirables' that have already had to go find a new home. I have no doubt that your bunch of JVC shooters will add tremendous knowledge and information to DVINFO.

-gb-

p.s. Tunica? You could have easily run into my mom and dad. They live in central Arkansas but visit Tunica very frequently.

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Thank you, Dan, for that most kind post and I hope you too will be able to join us at NAB.

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Just for the record Jonathan, I wasn't of the belief that you would engage in such behavior. But, the popularity of this site has led to an influx of 'undesirables' that have already had to go find a new home. I have no doubt that your bunch of JVC shooters will add tremendous knowledge and information to DVINFO.

-gb-

p.s. Tunica? You could have easily run into my mom and dad. They live in central Arkansas but visit Tunica very frequently.
I know that and thank you. As for Tunica, my first time down there. What a gambling mecca! Quite surprising but some beautiful casinos. Not at all what I was expecting but four days anywhere on location is enough.

Daniel Weber
April 16th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Thank you, Dan, for that most kind post and I hope you too will be able to join us at NAB.

Jonathan,

I would love to, but this year (my 8th at NAB) I am bringing my wife along since her birthday is during NAB and we will be going out for dinner that night. I will look here for an update on the haps at the party!!!

Dan Weber

Brian Luce
April 16th, 2006, 10:53 PM
i'll miss dvxuser. i liked hanging out in the back room. i always thought of the jvc room as "the ghetto" which was cool . gave us a kind of street cred. okay, let's get this place rocking!

Jonathan Ames
April 16th, 2006, 10:53 PM
Please wish her a very happy birthday and yes, please check the posts.

Tim Dashwood
April 16th, 2006, 11:06 PM
i'll miss dvxuser. i liked hanging out in the back room. i always thought of the jvc room as "the ghetto" which was cool . gave us a kind of street cred. okay, let's get this place rocking!
Welcome aboard guys. I am known simply as "dashwood" over on dvxuser.

For those ex-DVXuser people discovering dvinfo for the first time, I'd like to stress that there have always been a few subtle differences between the two boards that you should be aware of.

I know that Chris' mandate is that dvinfo.net is a searchable library of useful facts pertaining to gear and techniques. It is important to us to filter out FUD and contribute as much helpful information as possible to owners/operators (current or potential) of any manufacturer's gear.

If you are looking for a "clubhouse" or "chatroom" vibe, you won't really find it here - and that's what I like most about dvinfo. Around these parts we don't use aliases or avatars - we are "real people" with "real info" (as the fine print states at the bottom of every page.) Also, we don't have inline IMG tags turned on.

Here's some useful links if you are thinking of starting a thread that doesn't wholly relate to the HD100:

If you need to crew up for a shoot, please visit our "helping hands (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=52)" forum.

If you are having post issues with Final Cut Pro, check out "Final Cut Pro for HDV (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=104)" or "Lumière HD for Final Cut Pro (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=77)."

For PC post issues check out Vegas HDV Forum (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=102), Cineform Software Forum (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=76), or HD/HDV Editing Solutions (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=63)" for everything else.

Sound questions can be directed to "Now Hear This (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=53)."

If you are interested in using 35mm lenses, then go to the P+S Technik Mini35 (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=58) forum or for info on homebuilt versions the Alternative Imaging Methods (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=70) forum.

You can show off your finished work in DV for the Masses (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=39) (please respect copyright.)

Talk about everything else in "TOTEM: Totally Off Topic, Everything Media (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=3)"

Chris Hurd
April 16th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Also, we don't have inline IMG tags turned on.Subject to change... Tim has been hammering on me!

Thanks for the super-informative post, Tim, all those links are much appreciated.

Jarred Land
April 17th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Just to be clear.. this has nothing to do with Panasonic.. its not a marketing trick. And Panasonic doesnt pay for DVXuser.com. Thats why Red is still there, because I have faith in the camera... just like I have faith in the HVX and the DVX.

There is only one person that decides what cameras are and arn't on DVXuser.com, and thats me. Like alot of people in this thread mentioned how DVinfo isn't a clubhouse, thats what DVXuser used to be and thats what i want it to be once again. A tight community with a common tool.

Chris Hurd
April 17th, 2006, 01:10 AM
Yeah, I really don't appreciate the conspiracy theories being thrown around... I'm already removing some of them. Can we keep this topic focused on the J. Ames NAB party please. How Jarred runs his site is his own business and I can certainly relate to that.

Steven Thomas
April 17th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I respect Jarred's decision. I believe it's easy to understand why he has decided to stay focused on Panasonic; afterall, it is DVXUSER.
We all just thought it was odd the switch was thrown without
any notice.

At the same time, I'm glad we have found a common place here at dvinfo.
Dvinfo has always been about an open community. I like to keep current with new technology regardless whose badge is pinned on it.

Adam Letch
April 17th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Yes, hats off to you anyway Jared, I didn't at all have hard feelings, just a little surprise, thanks for taking the time to explain you position, and yes it makes sense, as the title "DVXUser" seemed to not give enough weight to the many subforums you were hosting. Heck, I'll still swing by and visit, especially after something tantalizing at NAB may get me all fired up with Panasonic again. And to everyone at DVInfo, it's great to be a part of a great community here as well,only wish I didn't live on the other side of the planet, or I'd definitely have a beer with you at NAB 2006. My Church finally gets two HD101's this week and another the week following, mainly live stuff, but we do record, and then stream the material over the internet. We infact, as far as I'm aware, have the first completely cyber church in the world, as in, it's not a website for a church, but a church which only exists in cyberspace, basically for those who are too remote or sick to attend a service.
And no I'm not preaching guys, don't be afraid. I'm a cameraman and visionswitcher/director, so I'm here to get into the tech and method of the art. I'm buying my own HD101 at the end of the year to do documentary, event videography, and short film work.
So to all you lucky guys'n'gals over there, enjoy NAB, I guess I'll just hunt around and download/stream as much footage I can : )

Brian Luce
April 17th, 2006, 05:15 AM
ADMIN NOTE: This was a new thread that I instead merged into this one. Tim

the HD100 forum appears not to have been closed but moved, to "off topics".
what's the situation?

edit: thread title was supposed to say "Is it dead or hiding"?

Boyd Ostroff
April 17th, 2006, 06:00 AM
Huh? Looks like it's in the "affordable high definition acquisition" group where it's always been... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=61

Steven Thomas
April 17th, 2006, 06:43 AM
I believe you can only read and not post now in these "other" forums

Brian Luce
April 17th, 2006, 07:08 AM
Huh? Looks like it's in the "affordable high definition acquisition" group where it's always been... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=61

hi boyd,

i was referring to dvxuser.

and as far as i can tell, active posting is still permited.

Chris Hurd
April 17th, 2006, 09:08 AM
Y'all can find it at http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=52 -- hope this helps,

Jarred Land
April 17th, 2006, 09:56 AM
yes.. as i posted before the threads still remain and are active.. they are just off topic now. They kinda always were off topic, but its just now more official.

Heath Vinyard
April 17th, 2006, 10:28 AM
Wow.
We're all here now. How cool is this. I used to frequent both boards. DVX for the people, and here for both the people and the technical info (which there's tons). Now I have a one stop shop. :)

Welcome all!

Tim Holtermann
April 17th, 2006, 10:32 AM
Yes, the board will be better than ever and having Jonathan here will be a huge benefit to those that never browsed dvxuser.com.

Steven Thomas
April 17th, 2006, 10:59 AM
Yes, Jonathan has been a great service to the JVC community.
His generousity has been enourmous willing to help others in a bind.

Gary McClurg
April 17th, 2006, 11:36 AM
I hope to see you guys at the JVC party... unless Red has a private party... lol...

Jonathan Ames
April 17th, 2006, 11:57 AM
Thanks, guys. For some of us, it's all about giving back to the community that put us where we are today. The film community gets a bad rap generally and while some people ion it deserve it, most do not. This is a close, family community and we all give and take as we need but we all have to do both otherwise it doesn't work. Some of the best posts I've ever read came from Tim Dashwood, Barry Green, Stephen Noe and others who seemed only to drop in to dvxuser. Not knowing this was their home, I never knew where they went. People like Stephen Noe with his vast reservoir of knowledge spent alot of time there as well but I alwasys thought that was his home. Come to discover that DVInfo exists and this is the real tech home.

You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I simply don't have the time to frequent the boards and only spent so much time on dvxuser because of Jared, the prople there and the fact that I cold help people who needed help there. Helping and teaching is just what I love to do like it is for George Dibbie. That's, again, why we're producing 2nd Unit out of pocket. We're in the hopes that seeing a television production from inside out will help people understand what goes into it. 2nd Unit should answer alot of questions and help alot of people especially with feedback from Tim and Barry and the others. It was designed for the Internet to accompany the three shows we're shooting for network right now so hopefully we can use dvinfo like dvxuser to touch as many people as we can.

Again, thanks for the kind words and let's get back to work.

Chris Hurd
April 17th, 2006, 12:04 PM
This is why I really admire what Jarred has done with his site within the span of three short years... DVX User is so freakin' huge now that it's got folks who've never even heard of us! And we're not exactly all that small! Heh. Simply amazing. Jarred grew his site to be bigger than mine in less than half the time it's taken me to get just this far. That impresses the hell out of me. I'm glad there's only one of him!

Apologies for the OT post,

Gary Williams
April 17th, 2006, 12:13 PM
Well, I know one thing the JVC user site here will continue to grow to an enormous and very informative, educational and professional stature Im sure and Jonathan amoung others will be a great contribution to all of it. See all of you at the NAB party on Monday.

Greg Boston
April 17th, 2006, 12:34 PM
This is why I really admire what Jarred has done with his site within the span of three short years... DVX User is so freakin' huge now that it's got folks who've never even heard of us! And we're not exactly all that small! Heh. Simply amazing. Jarred grew his site to be bigger than mine in less than half the time it's taken me to get just this far. That impresses the hell out of me. I'm glad there's only one of him!

Apologies for the OT post,

But your mantra has always been quality over quantity. That's not to say there was no quality elsewhere, it's just that post counts and membership numbers are not the primary concern at DVINFO as I understand it.

-gb-

Joe Bowey
April 17th, 2006, 12:53 PM
Johnathan Great to find you. I was very dissappointed that the other website didn't post anything about not having jvc users . I just purchased my camera recently an found BOTH websites to be a valuable asset.
I guess this is now the only website for JVC users.
DV info has always been a great website for info an I will visit it every day.
As a matter of fact I purchased my camera through Texastape.

Joyce Mahoney
April 17th, 2006, 01:18 PM
I too just made the move over to DVInfo.net when I found the JVC group MIA. I work with three friends at a studio and we've been in the industry for more than 13 years, not collectively but individually, me since I was just out of high school. We're getting ready to move out on our own and leave the security of a big studio behind and I was really glad to have met Jonathan at HD Expo. He spent over an hour with me talking about all the cameras, why he selected JVC and the industry in general and DVXuser. He introduced me to George Dibbie and Rob Kositchek and a dozen other industry veterans. These are the kinds of people that make jumping off the cliff which we're about to do a little easier knowing that people like Jonathan, with no ax to grind or ulterior motive for helping me and others are there to help us. I hope DVinfo is soft landing place. After looking at the posts of people like Chris Hurd and Tim Dashwood, I can tell this is probably going to be a great place. Besides, now you all have the added benefit of putting a little class in your site...three chick filmmakers. Not every board has that I can tell you!!! :-)

Meryem Ersoz
April 17th, 2006, 01:41 PM
hey, who cares about the sudden influx of JVC users or more technical expertise?? they are a dime-a dozen in these parts! but more women who do this stuff, now that's way cool! we're as scarce as rooster's teeth! three more women...did we just double our numbers?? actually, there's a bunch of awesome women who are regulars here, probably more are active here than were active at dvxuser, i'm guessing, and it's great to have the opportunity to meet a few more.

this is a great community of men and women. welcome.

Jonathan Ames
April 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM
So, I'm thinking there might be something to this. If Jared wants to return to consentrating on the HVX et al, that's a good thing. I mean one person trying to keep up with a dozen different elements on one board, well, it's like having grips and gaffers and camerpeople all available to do different jobs. Yeah, it's convenient and definitely cheaper without fringes and penalties and anyone can plug a globe in but you never get quite the same quality as you do when one area can consentrate on their duties and other areas can do their thing. I'm not saying there should be no crossing over but with DVInfo.net such a great place...and it is because in between everything else here at the studio I've taken the time to visit the various areas... it opens up new possibilities. Sharing the load so to speak.

You guys want more of a campus-like atmosphere which is fine but that doesn't mean frat house. As an example, I and my production company are a prime example of the inmates running the assylum. Just ask Mike Pellagatti, my principle cameraguy who's shot more Discovery, Health, ESPN, OLN and a dozen other cable networks' footage that you can imagine. BUT, when the stage goes hot, the set falls quiet and the cameras spit out quality footage. When the bell next rings, it's back to goofy hats and Tootsie-Pops. But, I never let it get out of hand. In my humble opinion, sometimes the JVC area looked like John Landis' Animal House with Bluto, Otter and Boon. BUT, we got alot of serious help to alot of serious people.

DVIfo is a different campus but a campus nonetheless. Again, in my opinion, there's more of a think-tank mentality here which is great. So no one said, to stay with the Aminal House analogy, that it has to be a Dean Wormer instuitution... but Bluto simply won't work here...and that's another good thing.

My recommendation is that both sites are going to benefit with the departure and the arrival of the JVC group and the load gets shared equally. Heck, I've read some of Chris Hurds stuff and it's downright great. He's, believe me, no Dean Wormer and DVInfo's no Omega fraternity. So let's see how the Deltas and the Omegas can co-exist for the benefit of independent filmmakers all over.

Those of you who have listened to me over the past six months know that for me, it's all about education and helping. This generation of filmmakers is our industry's future. We all can't afford to go to USC (Rob's throwing thins at me) and the education we all get here will be reflected in tomorrow's films. Look at how the MTV generation affected celluloid today and then sit back and project how you will affect it tomorrow. DVInfo and DVxUser are the sandboxes and the proving grounds for tomorrow's films because they're not going to be made in the sole domain of the Big Four studios on $100k cameras anymore and JVC is betting millions, perhaps billions on that. They see the top level shrinking and the mid-level...your current or immediate future level, as the prime target area which is why they're pushing the 100 so much and why they're supporting things like our "2nd Unit".

Let's give DVInfo the credit it deserves. I mean, it's not like Jared tossed us out...OK it is but anyway ;-)... no, I'm just kidding... I mean it's not like we're of no value. His resons were sound, good and not intended to hurt anyone. But, well, just look up ther "Law of Unintended Consequences" and see what you find...exactly what happened here. We have a new home. Let's move in...Big Screen first...kick back and see how we all fit in. Because the bottom line is that the filmmaking community is a family and we just got moved out from our parents house. But it's OK. We moved in with our cool Uncle Bernie! And if you don't remember Animal House, you sure ain't gonna remember Weekend at Bernies...but you should rent them anyways...both of them! Now that's filmmaking at its finest hour!!!

Just my thoughts.

Joyce Mahoney
April 17th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Right-freakin'-on J! One, I love those movies and 2, this is exactly what we're leaving the studio for. Filmmaking is expression and expression is art and art is interpretation of life that needs freedom to grow. In just looking at the two sites, you're right, it is almost like the Deltas and the Omegas but in a radical good way. This place rocks for information but it's definitely the Izod group. You guys over at dvxuser were definitely Bluto sometimes like one post I made over there telling somebody to get a grip...I don't even know who it was but I do know that there are alot of Grips here on the lot that read that board and razzed me over my choice of words. If I chose a place for information on JVC shooting, it'd definitely be here but then I'd head quick like a bunny over to dvxuser because it's "comfortable"...exactly J... and familiar. But there's no reason that comfort can't happen here as well. So, for what it's worth, Rock on J, I'm with you.

Joe Carney
April 17th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Are you all kidding? As of this moment you're all on double secret probation!!!!!
Dean Wer.. errr I mean Jared...said to watch out for youse guys. Just in time for the upcoming draft, hehehehe.
And I better not catch Bluto peeping on the women or else!!!
:)
anyway, welcome.

Jonathan Ames
April 17th, 2006, 08:00 PM
Now that's a great welcome. Funky hats and Tootsie-pops for everyone at the NAB party. And we'll be playing Animal House on the salon's big screen.

Tim Holtermann
April 17th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Why don't we just make it a Toga party Jonathan? ;)

Jonathan Ames
April 18th, 2006, 08:28 AM
Toga...toga...toga... OK, enough!!! Now, here's the dealio; Jared's party starts at 7 at the Mirage so I'm thinking we start our party at 5:30 and that way we can scoot down the street to the Mirage at 7. We'll have a couple of limos there at 7 so we'll only be about 5 min away. How does that sound to everyone?

Also, if anyone has footage, shorts, commercials, primes or other examples of their work, bring them along either in either VHS or DVD format and we'll play them in that salon so we can discuss them.

We're trying to get commerative "T" shirts printed up for everyone for the affair but I don't know if there's enought time. We'll try.

I've had a doen e-mails saying people are realy looking forward to the get together so it should be a good time at a great event. I'll post the space number and a recap of information on Friday late afternoon when I get into Las Vegas.

Ralph Oshiro
April 18th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Well, I'm also a former/continuing DVXuser addict, and I'm now re-exploring Chris Hurd's excellent DVinfo site. Although I'm posting this in the JVC forum, this particular thread caught my attention because of the recent change in focus at DVXuser. And I think this re-focus on DVX/HVX products at DVXuser will make a great site even stronger. I still feel welcome at DVXuser, and will still visit and post (I still own and shoot with my trusty ole' DVX100), but I suppose, since I'm leaning toward a non-Panasonic camera purchase soon, I guess I needed to explore other sites anyway, and DVinfo is a darned good one.

Joe Carney
April 18th, 2006, 02:33 PM
My new JVC HD-100 arrives tomorrow or the next day, so I'm officially an 'owner' now.
I also plan on attending Jonathans' get together. I'm flying in late Friday night.

I don't know if I should bring the jvc with me or not. I have a nice Pana MX500 (PAL) I want to use for taping the various booths I visit. Small enough to fit into a side bag and not upset security.

Glad I waited for the "A" version.