View Full Version : Mics to capture dialogue?


Michael Chen
March 2nd, 2003, 06:36 AM
I have searched the thread regarding microphones, and many has suggested the ME66 coz its value for money.

I'd like to know if ME66 is good for capturing dialogue?
I will be using it to film some short films, and would like to send it to international film festivals, and would like to know if its able to produce acceptable sound for this purpose.

Also, how much better is it to capture the dialogue using ME66 compared to the on board mics? 2-3 times better?

Thanks for answering.

Don Palomaki
March 2nd, 2003, 06:41 AM
Maybe 100 times <g>. No on-camera mic is good for capturing anything but ambient sound. None are good for dialog unless the talent is within a foot ot two of the mic, rarelythe case. Even if the mic is removed form the camera and put on a boom, it has a wide pattern, and may pick up to much stray sound. Being unbalancd it may pick up environmental electrical noise at yoru shoot.

The ME66 is a good choice.

Michael Chen
March 2nd, 2003, 06:47 AM
Didnt expect a reply to come out this fast. Thanks!
100 times better means ME66 is a must buy for me then.

Now I gotta save up to get the MA-200 as well i guess.

Can anyone tell me how much does the MA-200 costs in USD?
Would like to know the avg price so that I can make some comparisons.

Don Palomaki
March 2nd, 2003, 03:43 PM
Note that "100 times" is a figure of speach. For some users it may be just as good at meeting their needs in which 100x is an overstatement. All depends on your needs. For critical dialog, where it is important to separate the speaker from sound to the sides and behind the mic the ME66 is a good way to go.

If you are on a budget, also consider the MA100, two inputs, on the order of US$180 or so. The MA200 appears to run about US$380 or so, maybe less. Do a google search and see what turns up at your favorite shops.

Aaron Koolen
March 2nd, 2003, 04:35 PM
Michael, if you've read around a few board you'll see that the ME66 is pretty much the lowbudget mic of choice for dialogs, recommended by most people. There is an AudioTechnica one AT835B (??) which some people use with good results, but from what I've heard this mic is a bit quiet.

Believe Don when he says about the on camera mic. When I got my ME66 and tested it I almost fell off my chair when I heard the difference. Honestly.

Good luck with your purchase.

Cheers
Aaron

Michael Chen
March 2nd, 2003, 08:00 PM
Last question,
Does the K6 comes seperately with ME66? I need the K6 in order to power the ME66 rite? Also, how long is the wire supplied with ME66? Do I have to purchase the wire seperately as well?

Roughly around how much will the K6 costs ?
This is gonna increase the money spent , hope that they are not too expensive.

Don Palomaki
March 3rd, 2003, 04:57 AM
A recent B&H catalog lists the ME66/K6 combination at about US$400. K6 or ME66 alone at about US$210.

Adrian Seah
March 4th, 2003, 05:40 PM
I use the Audio Technica AT815b (longer version of the 835) and its fantastic... I mean its good enough that I don't see it as being in any way limiting, and it costs less than the ME66.

Adrian

Michael Chen
March 4th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Yeah I would like to check out the Audio Technica as well but the problem is there don't seem to be any Audio Technica dealer in my country.

Maybe there is but I haven't really heard it.

So if I have to order it from overseas, the costs will add up due to the shipment/taxes etc... Or maybe I could check the Audio technica website to see if there is any dealer over here, wats the website for it?

Don Palomaki
March 5th, 2003, 04:45 AM
www.audiotechnica.com
Check the sitemap foor a quick overview o what is on the site. There is a worldwide distributor information page on the site.

Michael Chen
March 5th, 2003, 09:59 AM
Thanks.. I've checked it out.
Not in my country.

But I'll guess I'll stick to ME66 since many of the users has find it good.

Thanks for all the advice given by everyone.

Michael Chen
March 17th, 2003, 06:40 PM
I got another question.
Since ME66, is a mono microphone, from what I understand, we will still be recording sound on the left and right channels right?

Or am I mistaken?

Adrian Seah
March 17th, 2003, 07:18 PM
nope... depends on which channel (L or R) you plug the mic into... or example, I have a MA100 and usually I plug my mic into the L channel and during capture into FCP, there will only be sound on the L channel but you can easily duplicate it to the R channel. Dialogue is usually recorded on mono anyway.

Adrian

Michael Chen
March 17th, 2003, 09:40 PM
I see.
Does that mean the sound will only be coming out from 1 speaker if I do not duplicate it to the other channel?

Erm, actually how do I duplicate it to the other channel? Do I do it in post by copying the existing audio track to another one?

Aaron Koolen
March 18th, 2003, 01:20 AM
Will also depend on what adapter you use. I use a Sign Video one for my Xm2 and it allows me to switch to "mono" mode so the recorded dialog goes to both channels.

Cheers
Aaron

Michael Chen
March 19th, 2003, 07:41 AM
I will be using the MA-200 i guess.

So will it only capture sound in 1 channel?
And if so, how do I copy the other sound to the other channel in post? Under which option do I go?

I normally use the timeline to add in soundtrack, sound etc, but I can't seem to find any option to adjust the right or left channel. Need help.

K. Forman
March 19th, 2003, 11:20 AM
My experience with onboard mics is this- It won't pick up any dialogue that is 10 ft in front of the cam. It will pick up the sounds of a camera snapping a pic 18 ft away. My voice ALWAYS come across loud and clear, no matter how quiet I am, even 10 feet behind the cam.

Murphy's Law strikes again... and again... and again...

Adrian Seah
March 19th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Hi Michael,

yep, all you got to do is to copy and paste the track of sound to the other track, eg. for FCP, A3 to A4. you can also link them as a stereo pair (in one of the menu options).

Michael Chen
March 19th, 2003, 06:46 PM
I see. Thanks again for the answer.

I will try it once my next short film is completed. If i encounter any problem again, I will ask more questions. Thanks for helping!

Steve Leone
April 15th, 2003, 03:28 PM
for high end "voice over" dialog, I was using a Rode NT1000...not a bad mic....now I have an AKG 1000C, which is a sort of stick condenser....can be used for standup, as a camera mic, or a short boom, but is round enuf to use as a VO mic...very punchy, full sound, with a presence booster to help cut thru the mix...nice for only $200....for a real vo mic, try an AT4047..that mic kicks butt, runs about $500 with a shock mount....sounded better than the Rodes or AKGs, way better than any smalll condenser. Needs phantom power, so its more of a studio mic......

Michael Chen
April 23rd, 2003, 01:46 AM
I have decided to rent it instead. I could rent it from a friend with an affordable price.

Thanks for all the advice given!