UPDATE Sept 26: FCP 5.1.2 is now available for download. http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/finalcutpro512.html

or you can run "software update."

Please Note: I have just tested this version's "Easy Setup" for HDV 720p24 and it does not properly set the device control. For proper HDV 23.98fps TC capture you should simply go into "Audio/Video Settings" and select:
"HDV - 720p24" as your Sequence Preset
"HDV" as your Capture Preset
Duplicate the "HDV Firewire NDF" device preset and change the frame rate to 23.98. See this post (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=550274&postcount=59) for more specific instructions.

BR-HD50 Users will need to update their firmware to properly capture with FCP v5.1.2.
Please see this thread (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76389) for more information.


ORIGINAL POST:
The reports are starting to flow in from IBC. Mike Curtis has posted some info at HDforIndies (http://www.hdforindies.com/), and our very own Chris Hurd is on the floor in Amsterdam collecting information for us.

Bottom line: No more fiddling with LumiereHD, HDVxDV, DVHSCap or MPEGStreamclip.

FCP 5.1.2 will fully support the capture (with TC), editing, and output of JVC's ProHD 720P24 and 720P25 (along with the already long-time supported 720P30.)
The only catch is that we will probably have to wait until October for the release.

This free update will only be available to FCP5.1 owners. If you own FCP5.0 or an earlier version, now is the perfect time to order your Universal Crossgrade to FCS 5.1 (http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/).

If v5.1 is installed on your system, you should be able to run the software update app from the Apple menu to automatically update FCP 5.1 or 5.1.1 to 5.1.2. (when the update is officially released.)

Rumour is this release will also add:
P2 faster import, batch import, preview before import
XDCAM HD native support for all frame rates and resolutions
Canon 24F native support

Great news Tim!
(Please remove the thread I started a minute after you did!)

Thanks Tim, this is the news I was hoping for.

-gb-

Thank the gods!!!! Still waiting on Avid....

Finally I'll be able to use my HD100 as I thought I would when I bought it a year ago! ... I have to say, owning one of these things has truly been a labor of love (or maybe just a labor depending on how you look at it). The image quality is stunning ... but she really makes you work for it ...

Avid PM told me December at the earliest. AXPro version 6.0.

Well at least we have some decent news from Apple. Looks like we may be ditching Avid (after 8 years+) for FCP soon anyway. Can't argue with the cost/features these days.

Finally some great news

Hey Tim -- hope this helps -- I asked Apple and received pretty much the exact same answer as Mike Curtis, it's about a month away. Enjoy the attached pics. Click the thumbnail images to see them big.

Awesome Chris. Thank you.

Highway #4 (http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/getResource2/jvc_highway_4_ibc.pdf?id=6594) has been published on the JVC UK site with the FCP article on page 22. There is also update information on Premiere Pro 2, Edius, & Avid (Liquid.)

How funny when I got this camera a year ago they told me that FCP5 would support it within a month. A year later we are still looking at a month later. At least it looks promising =)

How funny when I got this camera a year ago they told me that FCP5 would support it within a month. A year later we are still looking at a month later.

LOL!

Very similar story with Avid. Odd, really.

Will FCP 5.1.2 allow for editing 60P with the new JVC HD200 & 250?

Will FCP 5.1.2 allow for editing 60P with the new JVC HD200 & 250?
No. 24P, 25P, 30P HDV1 only. However, I'm sure the transition will be much faster and easier for Apple with 50P and 60P since there will be no skipped frames/flagged frames to think about.

"Bottom line: No more fiddling with LumiereHD, HDVxDV, DVHSCap or MPEGStreamclip.
FCP 5.1.2 will fully support the capture (with TC), editing, and output of JVC's ProHD 720P24 and 720P25 (along with the already long-time supported 720P30.)
The only catch is that we will probably have to wait until October for the release."



Wonderful news, Tim! And thank goodness they're including 25p!

So all these workflows kindly posted by some of you folks can eventually be put to one side?!?
Shame, I was looking forward to wrestling with all the various plug ins and shortcuts to enable HDV footage!

Slightly off subject but does anyone know of companies who offer mac & s/w packages i.e. iMac with FCP studio (and logic pro 7 for that matter) bundled at a discounted rate?

Do you reckon HDV SD 60p and 50p will ever be recognized natively on FCP or will just keep on working with mpeg streamclip forever?

It's better late then never with 24p and 25p!

My question is.....did apple fix the capture problem where we loose 4 seconds between each clip w/ scene detection?

I'm using AIC to capture 720/30p. It is a good work around to avoid loosing the first 4 seconds of each clip. Do you think apple fixed this? I would love to capture native HDV footage.

Oh Lord thankyou. I have just bought a Mac Pro and Lumiere HD and spent the day screaming at both. I decided to take 5 minutes to compose myself before going back for more torture when I read this post. I am not kidding when I say it made me cry with joy. Shame I wasted £100 on Lumiere HD (which I personally think is a terrible excuse for a piece of software) but it's gonna be interesting to see what happens to the one trick pony that is Lumiere corp!

Rob.

P.S. I'm still crying

There's going to be hysterical joy around here when Avid finally gets their act together - that's if we haven't died of frustration first.

Not to be too cynical - but I'll believe it when I can buy it. There have been a lot of promises by a lot of editing software companies that either never happened, or took much longer than promised. FCP is still in the former catagory for me as a JVC user.

This might, however, keep me on the fence a bit longer if I was buying a new system soon. Unfortunately, I couldn't wait (Pro2). Would've loved to have gotten FCP as I'm a Mac guy normally, but the show must go on...
john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/finalcutpro512.html

Or run Software update.

I just downloaded it and did a quick capture test from the BR-HD50. All looks good. Haven’t tried output yet. Did not see support for HDV-SD60p

A grab bag of other goodies is also in there including DVCProHD 1080pA24, HDV 1080p24 (24F a la Canon) and XDCAM HD at 35 Mbs VBR. Man we’ve waited a long time for this. Thank you Apple!

(Note: you need to have the 5.1 crossgrade in order to get in on the action.)

My question is.....did apple fix the capture problem where we loose 4 seconds between each clip w/ scene detection?

I'm using AIC to capture 720/30p. It is a good work around to avoid loosing the first 4 seconds of each clip. Do you think apple fixed this? I would love to capture native HDV footage.

It's still there. In fact, I'm getting closer to an 8 second loss. Not good.

Thanks for the tip-off (Andrew and Tim). I can't wait to try it out!

Avid PM told me December at the earliest. AXPro version 6.0.

Well at least we have some decent news from Apple. Looks like we may be ditching Avid (after 8 years+) for FCP soon anyway. Can't argue with the cost/features these days.
Same here... I really wish that Avid is reading this!

Yaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!

Final Cut Pro 5.1.2 will not open. The download sucked. I am not happy.

Final Cut Pro 5.1.2 will not open. The download sucked. I am not happy.

Worked for me. Did you have 5.1 already? You can't go directly from 5.0.4 to 5.1.2, it's a 49USD upgrade.

-gb-

Final Cut Pro 5.1.2 will not open. The download sucked. I am not happy.
Just run Software Update from the Apple menu. It is so much easier and will also update Pro Applications and Cinema Tools automatically.

I have 5.1.1

Ran it from the software update menu. Program will not open and Cinema Tools is gone. I tried re-downloading it from the Apple website and it did nothing. The program tries to open and then has a fatal error and closes.

The Apple Support Message Boards are down currently. Does anyone know who I can talk to at Apple?

I have 5.1.1

Ran it from the software update menu. Program will not open and Cinema Tools is gone. I tried re-downloading it from the Apple website and it did nothing. The program tries to open and then has a fatal error and closes.

The Apple Support Message Boards are down currently. Does anyone know who I can talk to at Apple?
It is weird that the Apple FCP forum is down. I just checked and it is still down.

Has v5.1.1 worked properly for you in the past?
Have you always used Software Update to perform updates?
Are you running OS X 10.4.7?
Are you running Quicktime 7.1.3?

A fresh re-install from the original FCP 5.1 discs might fix it all for you.

It is weird that the Apple FCP forum is down. I just checked and it is still down.

Has v5.1.1 worked properly for you in the past?
Have you always used Software Update to perform updates?
Are you running OS X 10.4.7?
Are you running Quicktime 7.1.3?

A fresh re-install from the original discs might fix it all.

I just checked the forums, and they are back online.

Downloaded it. It works. Noticed something interesting.

Take a look at the video scopes while running the timeline.

I am just going to do a re-install and see what happens. Thanks for the help, and yes, 5.1.1 worked flawlessly.

Take a look at the video scopes while running the timeline.

This is great. The scopes now do live updating!

There's a whole load of improvements in this area. More info in the "Late Breaking News" document.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Final_Cut_Pro_5.0_lbn_z.pdf

This is great. The scopes now do live updating!

God I wish I could see that for myself....One other person on the Apple forum apparently has the same problem, but I have no idea how Apple is going to fix my problem.

Someone figured out the problem and it has to do with conflictions between FCP and the Avid Quicktime Codecs. I deleted the quicktime codecs and FCP opened. Now someone has to come up with an answer for the Avid codec problem, but it is a next step.

Will this work natively with the DR-100?

Will this work natively with the DR-100?
I haven't tested that yet. When I did try to capture 720P24 as quicktime with the DR-HD100 (about a month ago)the files were still flagged as 29.97 frame rates, even though the software kept only the 24 frames. Cinema Tools was unable to conform the frame rate down to 23.98 because it was a HDV file.

I'm sure Focus will work on a 24P solution for FCP now that the update has been released. Representatives of theirs have said this repeatedly.

My question is.....did apple fix the capture problem where we loose 4 seconds between each clip w/ scene detection?


Well the 24p works fine but the 4-6 second gaps keep happening between subclips. There is no AIC for 720/24p either so you are screwed. Just make sure to pre-roll all your clips if you are going to shot 24p.

Looks like I'll still be using AIC 720/30p

After updating, when capturing 720p25, I still lose about 5 seconds on the beginning of each new clip. I knew this happened with 720p30 before, but i supposed it's now fixed... how come is this happening in 720p25... my camera has recently been on the repair bench and has probably some of the latest firmware version... it's a GY-HD100E.

Scott, you said: "make sure to pre-roll all your clips if you are going to shot 24p" - when shooting events that's not always possible, and even when it is, 1 second to be lost would already be too much.
Any workaround to avoid losing footage (and I thought I was now free from workarounds).

Thanks!

I'm sure Focus will work on a 24P solution for FCP now that the update has been released. Representatives of theirs have said this repeatedly.

From Matt McEwen:

"we hope to add support for QuickTime with 720p/24 as soon as possible....this will be a maintenence release"

This means that if you purchased the Quicktime 30P update you will not have to pay for the 24P update. Considering Focus already knows how to wrap the file correctly now, I imagine this update should come fairly quick, but again that is a guess.

Someone figured out the problem and it has to do with conflictions between FCP and the Avid Quicktime Codecs. I deleted the quicktime codecs and FCP opened. Now someone has to come up with an answer for the Avid codec problem, but it is a next step.

Aaaaaaaargh!

Aside from the missing 5 seconds (which indeed could be quite a problem) this is good news...saying that, my iMac and FCP studio has still not arrived almost 2 weeks since ordering :(
Is it pretty much essential to purchase quicktime pro then folks?

Is it pretty much essential to purchase quicktime pro then folks?

Quicktime Pro 7 comes bundled with Final Cut Studio!

Well there you go! Cheers for that...amateur mac person at the moment (and forever will be unless TNT deliver soon).
Thanks Segio.

1 second to be lost would already be too much.
Any workaround to avoid losing footage (and I thought I was now free from workarounds).
Thanks!

I feel the same way, that's why I'm sticking with AIC 720/30p for now.
I've tried everything to get the HDV codec to work. I unchecked the "create new subclip on start/stop", I set in/out points around the interview clips but it still happens.

I wonder why apple hasn't fixed this, since they are clearly trying to make HD100 owners happy by putting out the 24p codec.

After updating, when capturing 720p25, I still lose about 5 seconds on the beginning of each new clip. I knew this happened with 720p30 before, but i supposed it's now fixed... how come is this happening in 720p25... my camera has recently been on the repair bench and has probably some of the latest firmware version... it's a GY-HD100E.

Scott, you said: "make sure to pre-roll all your clips if you are going to shot 24p" - when shooting events that's not always possible, and even when it is, 1 second to be lost would already be too much.
Any workaround to avoid losing footage (and I thought I was now free from workarounds).

Thanks!

I guess we shouldn't throw away our old workarounds just yet (especially event videographers).

I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but I think this workflow should be effective for adding those missing first seconds of footage into your HDV 720p25 sequence in FCP:


1. Capture the missing seconds of footage as an .m2t file from the camera or deck using DVHSCap. DVHSCap is part of the “FireWire SDK 20” package and can be downloaded from this page:
http://developer.apple.com/sdk/#FireWireX
2. Launch MPEG Streamclip (available from this link: http://www.squared5.com/svideo/mpeg-streamclip-mac.html ) and open the .m2t file you wish to convert.
3. Fix the timecode breaks. (press “Apple-F”, then click "Proceed"). This is a good idea if you've captured the last few seconds of the previous shot when using DVHSCap.
4. Select your In ("i") and Out ("o") points.
5. Select “Export to Quicktime” (Apple-E).
6. Scroll through the “Compression” codecs and select an uncompressed codec (such as "Apple FCP Uncompressed 8-bit 4:2:2" or "Apple FCP Uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2"). I do NOT recommend selecting "Apple HDV 720p25" as this will introduce an extra step of MPEG-2 compression which will tend to degrade and add artifacts to your image (especially if you are intending to export your final sequence from FCP as HDV 720p25).
7. Drag the “Quality” slider to 100%.
8. Deselect both “Interlaced Scaling” and “Reinterlace Chroma”.
9. Make sure the “Frame Size” is “1280 X 720 (16:9)” or "1280 X 720 (HDTV 720p)". There should also be a message "No scaling will be performed" when you have this right.
10. “Frame Rate” - type in "25"
11. Click “Make Movie”.
12. Type in the file name, select the destination and click "Save".
13. Import your newly created Quicktime movie into FCP and drag it into your HDV 720p25 sequence.

I would imagine that it would be rendered and then behave like all of the footage that was captured directly through FCP.

And because the clip is less than 10 seconds long, making it uncompressed shouldn't cause any problems with drive space.

I have been checking everyday for the update on both my Quad and MacBookPro (not knowing if one would somehow get the update before the other) and today I litterally jumped up in the air and screamed YEEEESSSS!

I imediately grabbed my HD100 and switched it to 24p and shot my roommate (he was the only one near). He was a little confused, since he just woke up and was making coffee. I picked the east setup and changed the device options to 23.98 (like Tim said) and batched some clips. It looks and works great.

I'm so glad I never got Lumieare or similar. Dang hassle.

JVC just released a downloadable firmware upgrade for the BR-HD50 that will improve compatibility with FCP 5.1.2. I haven't performed this update yet, but I assume this will address 23.98 vs 29.97 TC issues during 720P24 capture.
See this thread for more info.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76389