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David Newman
August 5th, 2006, 03:57 PM
A RAID is not needed, only recommended. The direct output form the Canon's HDSDI feed can average over 25MBytes in highest quality mode -- modern single SATA drives can handle this.

David Ziegelheim
August 28th, 2006, 09:28 PM
If a camera is outputting a progressive output on 1080i, how is that captured? That is, is it captured as progressive output?

The question is about component output of 1080p24 output from a Canon or Panasonic HVX. While the H1 and G1 also have HD-SDI, the A1 only has component output. The HVX also has an option of 720p, however the Canons (and Sonys) don't.

Thanks,

David

David Newman
August 28th, 2006, 09:48 PM
No HDV/P2 camera truely outputs progressive over 1080i (HDSDI or analog.) They all apply pulldown to place 24 frames over 60i fields. We detect and extract this pulldown so the original 24p signal is all that is captured.

David Ziegelheim
August 28th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Thanks...boy was that quick...

Short follow up: is component ingest much better than converting the HDV m2t file?

Thanks again,

David

David Newman
August 28th, 2006, 11:25 PM
Yes, it less compressed if you capture the data live, better for greenscreen work. However, as for "much better" that depends on your needs.

Rodrigo Gil Medina
September 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM
Hello,

I'm building a new system to edit HDV using Premiere and Cineform. I bought a Matrox APVe card in ebay, but apparently it's not working, and I cannot do anything about it, the warranty has expired :( The only thig I can do is to buy a new card (this time not an used one) Is the Matrox APVe the only option that can display full HD video via component output?

Regards

David Newman
September 11th, 2006, 08:43 AM
It is a preferred card but there are others.

Rodrigo Gil Medina
September 11th, 2006, 09:12 AM
It is a preferred card but there are others.


Thanks a lot for your quick response. Can you recommend me another one. It's hard for me to get another APVe in Mexico. Nvidia and ATI cards are easy to get. Maybe something by those brands?

Thanks.

David Newman
September 11th, 2006, 09:29 AM
NVidia FX540 is the other popular one, however is a longer startup (from scrubbing to playback) delay than the Matrox card, that is why we perfer the AVPe.

Steven White
September 14th, 2006, 11:56 AM
With the advent of Blackmagic's HDMI input card for $250, I was wondering whether a system configured with such a card could record to the Cineform codec. While I personally wouldn't benefit as the FX1 has no HDMI output, it's certainly an interesting idea.

-Steve

David Newman
September 14th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Already onto that one. Yes, real-time CineForm compression from HMDI.

Richard Leadbetter
September 14th, 2006, 01:50 PM
I have to admit that I saw the specs for the card and I was absolutely astonished. Blackmagic are looking to redefine the HD capture market - they could have sold the card for double the price and it would still have shifted in large volume. Official CineForm support for it would be a godsend.

As we'd be looking at realtime 10-bit 4:2:2 capture, would this be an addition to Prospect HD? If so, you're welcome to my upgrade dollars.

Peter Ferling
December 20th, 2006, 03:26 PM
David, received my LMD Monitor, but not my HD-SDI input board. While waiting for that, I tried seeing if I could run the HD-SDI preview signal (via Xena HS) to the Canon G1 and passthrough to the LMD's component. No luck, my guess is that the canon's HD-SDI port is output only.

David Newman
December 20th, 2006, 06:04 PM
Correct, the HDSDI on Canon is output only.

Peter Ferling
December 20th, 2006, 09:12 PM
Thanks. I'll have to use overlay via one of the graphic card heads then. There's a PC RGB port on the LMD.

Rick Geib
March 5th, 2007, 11:27 PM
With the arrival in a few days of my firstborn daughter, I have invested much in a Sony HDR-HC3 camera and then another $500 for HD Aspect. But now my computer is just having major problems. The translating of the mp2 to Cineform codec crashes my computer routinely. Now it is even starting to crash in other video rendering applications.

So, I am ready to spend even more money and buy a new computer workstation about six months before I had planned to, and I would LOVE to benefit from the experience of those out there using Premiere Pro and HD Aspect together. I was thinking one of the $2,000 or so Alienware systems.

A few questions: Is it worth it to upgrade to 7,200 up to 10,000 rpm on the hard disk running the operating system and applications?

Is there any specific video card that works better with HD Aspect than others? I was thinking of going with the Standard NVIDIA GeForce7900 GS?

How about for cpus the Intel Core 2 Extreme or the AMD Athlon 64 X2? I would think the former rather than the latter, as the dual core threading would offer benefits, no?

I know many of us want to stay with Windows XP rather than beta test Vista for Microsoft, but would it not be a good idea in the long run to move over to Vista and be ready for two years down the road? When they develop software for it? Go with Vista, as it seems to be the standard in computers sold now?

I am a passionate and fairly knowledgeable amateur and will shoot and HD video in the evenings. I don’t need an external monitor or a RAID or anything that fancy (and expensive).

And I would like to spend around $2,200… and ideas? I already own all the relevant software.

I thank you very much in advance.

David Newman
March 6th, 2007, 12:34 AM
Sorry to hear that your PC is unwell, but congrats on the daughter (I bought my HC1 for the same reason.)

My recommendations : Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 2-4GB, a 7200RPM drive for system, 2 x 7200 RPM drives in RAID-0 for your media, most modern graphics card are fine as Aspect HD doesn't need them for acceleration, stick with XP for now.

Peter Ferling
March 6th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Congratulations! I picked up an HC1 for my new son as well. Just last night my 15 year old son was nagging about why his videos were recorded on VHS, and that his younger brother gets hi-def :)