Hi. I got my first wedding booked for August. Since I am a one-man operation I was hoping to get some tips from those of you seasoned professionals who are or were in a similar situation.

I have a Sony VX-2100, a Rode Videomic, an Azden wireless, and assorted support equipment.
I want to do a good job but I am not sure how to be everywhere at once.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks
Jim

Hi Jim -

Borrow or get a second angle/backup camera, hands down. I'd never shoot a one shot event with a single cam running... too much risk. Not to mention ol' Murph and equipment failure...

Even just having a cheapo cam running on a tripod gives you an emergency backup. The second cam can also be set up in front depending on the policies for video at the venue/church... gives you a cutaway, and if set right can give some nice shots of the bride/couple for vows, etc.

THAT said... go to the rehearsal and plan your shots - then expect the whole thing to change by the next day... at least you've run the scenes once, so you've got a fighting chance of improvising! Depending on the situation you may have freedom of movement, or you may be stuck (there's another thread on a two cam shoot that might be helpful to you).

I'd suggest some sort of audio backup as well - either a feed from the house board (don't count too much on this, haven't had a good one YET), or better yet your own mini recording device of choice...

I got very lucky doing a couple weddings years ago for friends just using two cheezy old Digital8 cameras, no extra stuff - it worked out fine surprisingly! BUT, if you're being paid... you discover that there's a bit more to it... having two cameras is a bare minimum in my estimation.

DB>)

Jim,

Sounds like you've got some pretty decent gear, so I'll just add to Dave's comments. You might get a small (Beachtek or Studio One) mixer for the Rode and the Azden, then as an audio back-up, you can use the second camera's built-in mic. It's not the greatest sound, but it's something (as opposed to NOTHING).

As for being everywhere at once, you can't be. If there are 2 things happening at once, you'll have to decide which one gets covered and which one gets left out. As you gain experience, you'll get better at doing this. Travelling as light as possible helps.

Get with the DJ/MC early on, and coordinate everything. A DJ's "heads-up" information can make it look like you were shooting everywhere at once. I like to get friendly with the DJ/MC. I've been known to bring him water, cake, messages, and sometimes a change in the schedule that he wasn't aware of.

Ideally, hire yourself a second shooter. Get a someone who owns his/her own gear and you've also got the second camera angle covered, too.

Whatever you do, try to go with a second camera! Then, as you can afford it, buy back-ups for ALL your equipment. (I say this from personal experience!)

Years ago I used to shoot 1 camera as it was all I could afford. I'm back in the very old VHS/Beta consumer days. Today even with multiple cameras I shot as if I only have 1 camera. Too many bad things can happen if you depend on the 2nd camera especially if unmanned. It could get blocked, moved, the participants aren't where they are supposed to be so you have no shot, it could break and stop running or you could forget to hit the record button. Not to say you shouldn't have a 2nd camera going if you can but in many cases it's a crap shoot as to the footage you might get.
A guy some of us know or know of in the NJ area gets very large amounts of money for doing weddings and shoots with 1 camera almost exclusively. Heres how.
FIRST he uses a monopod just about ALL the time. Big help for holding stabile shots.
So the first place he is at like most of us WHEN POSSIBLE is at the center aisle by the altar to get the processional. When the bride gets handed off move to the side and get some cutaways of family and bridal party on that side-I prefer the brides side first. Go to the rear of the center aisle (as most churches at least around my area pretty much relegate you there anyway) get the readers at the lectern the officiant doing the gospel and homily and the vows. The B&G will probably face each other when they say the vows and exchange rings (99% do so you get a nice 2 or 3 shot) When they do communion (if a Catholic mass ceremony) move to the opposite side (for me it's the grooms side) going down a side aisle, get some family and bridal party cut aways and then move back to the center aisle rear for the presentation of flowers to the Holy Family (Virgin Mary) and the recessional.
OK none of this is carved in stone. It depends on the church or venue, the officiant, the type of service and the physical layout of the venue. It's just a place to start. Go to the venue before the rehearsal and look at it. Start planning out your shot list as if you have no restrictions then go to the rehearsal and find out what you can or can't do and adjust your shot list from there.
Too many time we become so dependent on the 2,3 or 4 cameras that we forget that in most cases the best footage comes from the number 1 camera. Remember you're there to document the day not to direct it (darn sometimes I wish we could-the video would be great everytime). Sometimes stuff happens and you get caught in the middle. Just do the best you can with what you've got but IF possible try to get ahold of a 2nd camera just to CYA but remember don't count on the footage from it cause as soon as you count on it you'll get burned. I believe it's called Murphy's Law!
Good Luck,
Don

Thank you very much for the advice. The wedding isn't until August so I have time to prepare. Yes a second cam would be great. I have no one to help - at least no one I know would be interested. Perhaps a second camera will present itself by then.

Since this is my first wedding I just want to make sure I cover all the bases - get all the useable footage I can. I am married and watched my tape and have been to a few weddings so I have a basic idea of what to do. I've also seen some excellent examples and plan on buying training material to help me get started.

Any more help is greatly appreciated.

Jim

One cam shoots is all I used to do. With a VX2100 as well. Sometimes I really miss those days as they were always challenging and kept you on your toes.

Before you shoot, you really need to think of how you're going to edit *first*.

I'd recommend doing a short ceremony edit. In other words, if the whole thing takes 30 minutes in real time, plan on chopping it down to 12 or so. Take portions of the minister's dialog and timeshift it throughout the clip. Don't worry if it doesn't seem to coincide with what's happening at the moment... it'll all flow together. Forget using the original music - lay down a soft instrumental track throughout the whole piece.

With one camera you will be able to get everything except when you need to circle around to the rear center aisle as you'll have your back to most everything for about 45 seconds or so. To offset this gap in the footage do the following:

1.) Before the ceremony, get some slow panning guest shots of guests already seated and looking to the front. Closeups too.

2.) Use other filler footage like chuch windows, flowers, statues, etc.

Insert this footage during those lags and overlay it with some of the minister's dialog.

Try to record everything from up front (side) until it's time for the vows then circle around to the rear if you have the time. A single camera off to one side will only get one person's face. In situations like this, I always thought it best to at least get both people from the center.

Know the cue for when the vows are about to take place -learn it at the rehearsal.

As suggested, it would be nice to have even a single-chipper set to wide in the rear just in case. Borrow one from a relative. You might not use any of the footage but then again, you might have to.

P.S. Throw the Shotgun mic in the trash or leave it at home. If you use it on that VX you're cutting off all chances of getting ambient sound with the cam's internal mic which is much better for this kind of stuff.

Hi. I got my first wedding booked for August. Since I am a one-man operation I was hoping to get some tips from those of you seasoned professionals who are or were in a similar situation.

I have a Sony VX-2100, a Rode Videomic, an Azden wireless, and assorted support equipment.
I want to do a good job but I am not sure how to be everywhere at once.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks
Jim

That's the beauty of getting multiple point of views. I still film single camera weddings and other than my recent purchase of a VX2100, have been using TRV-840 D8's and use the on-camera mics. Others may cringe at that, but my cameras produced great looking video (except in low light) and it also matters what you do in post prouduction. I edit in FCP (used to use FCE, and even my first for pay wedding in iMovie) output the final product in DVDSP (and the early one's in iDVD). I always show potential clients my previous work and they love it (so they know what I'm capable of producing with the hardware I have) and they love their final product. I don't do this for a living (ie. to pay the mortgage, kids braces, food on the table, ect..), but do own my own video company where it's a one man show, me. I also just got a MicroMemo for recording audio to my iPod and that is a nice addition for the audio.

It's all how you look at it I guess, but my customers have been very happy with the work I've done for them and the quality of their video. Produce a quality product, and it doesn't matter what you use to film it. The VX2100 has been a welcome addition to my productions.

I offer two camera coverage as well and now that I have three cameras will add that option, but still do film one camera weddings, so don't get discouraged. Each situation is unique, so what doesn't work for others may work for you.

Grant

Thanks again for the great advice.
I also will definitely get a monopod - it seems indispensible for this kind of event.

I have a question. I will most likely mic the groom. If I have the mic plugged into the camera then I lose the on camera mic - or shotgun. Does anyone know of a good mini pin mic mixer?
I have the CAM3 mic mixer but it makes the signal weaker than without it. Is there a better option for mini pin mics?

Thanks
Jim

I have a question. I will most likely mic the groom. If I have the mic plugged into the camera then I lose the on camera mic - or shotgun. Does anyone know of a good mini pin mic mixer?
I have the CAM3 mic mixer but it makes the signal weaker than without it. Is there a better option for mini pin mics?

After all this you say you will "most likely" mic the groom? :)

And I wouldn't give you 2 cents for mixing audio at a live event. Running another audio source over the groom's feed is asking for disaster IMO.

Place the wireless mic on the groom and forget using the onboard audio on the VX. You'll want to monitor this anyway. You can "unplug" the mini-jack from the camera if you want when there's no dialog just to get ambient sound with the onboard mic but I wouldn't recommend it because you'll be using the wireless to pick up the minister as well.

I'm assuming you don't want to buy an XLR adapter for that VX ($150) which would give you the ability to record 2 seperate audio sources but that's what I do. Groom on one channel, whatever else I want on the other. (usually another wireless from the church's sound system)

And we keep coming back to that 2nd camera, even a crappy single chipper. These things might not give you much usable footage but there's your second audio source (at least for ambient sound). During my "interesting" days, I used one that had pixel burnout just for this purpose. Then it served as my tape deck.

Hey Rick,
Yes, yes. I will mic the groom. I suppose I will have to go out and buy some more sound equipment. I only have a Rode Videomic and the Azden WMS-Pro wireless kit. I'll probably get the Beachtex DX4, but then I'll need adapters for the mics.

I have a iRiver IFP 790. I was going to experiment with attaching a wireless to the groom and attaching its receiver to the 790. Since the 790 has a mic and a line input it should be fairly straight forward.

What do you use for wired and wireless mics?

As for the crappy DV camera I have a Sony HC20 that I could put on a tripod and place out of the way. Another VX would be better, of course.

Thanks
Jim

I have a iRiver IFP 790. I was going to experiment with attaching a wireless to the groom and attaching its receiver to the 790. Since the 790 has a mic and a line input it should be fairly straight forward. I would still just feed that Azden from the groom direct to the VX and put the iRiver on the minister (or podium). I think you're too worried about keeping that mic jack on the VX free when the dialog on the altar is what you really need to get here.

And I certainly hope you don't intend on using that RODE at the ceremony. Again, it's useless. (I know because I own one). Unless you're literally standing between the couple it won't pick up any usable dialog. And it's not designed for ambient sound because of the tight pattern. The only times I've used mine is:

1.) during the formal photo shoot (folks sometimes say something you'd like to keep)

2.) Cutting of the cake (same reason).

Otherwise, it was a useless purchase for weddings. It's fine for a stationary camera during a close up interview because that's what it is designed for but it will pick up every movement of your camera and you'll hear an audible thump each time you touch the pan handle. (crappy shockmount)

What do you use for wired and wireless mics?I use the Sennheiser G2 wireless system. At the reception the only external mic I have is an e604 drum mic placed on a mic stand in front of a DJ's speaker. I feed this to a wireless and put a "Y" splitter on the transmitter with an iRiver attached for a backup.

And don't underestimate the audio circuitry of these "crap" cams. Churches are designed for echo and acoustics so they can get some great sound.

Hey Rick,
Yes, yes. I will mic the groom. I suppose I will have to go out and buy some more sound equipment. I only have a Rode Videomic and the Azden WMS-Pro wireless kit. I'll probably get the Beachtex DX4, but then I'll need adapters for the mics.

I have a iRiver IFP 790. I was going to experiment with attaching a wireless to the groom and attaching its receiver to the 790. Since the 790 has a mic and a line input it should be fairly straight forward.

What do you use for wired and wireless mics?

As for the crappy DV camera I have a Sony HC20 that I could put on a tripod and place out of the way. Another VX would be better, of course.

Thanks
Jim

Jim,

For what it's worth, here's what I do...

First, to let you know where I'm coming from, I've tried many combinations of wired and wireless, location mixed and unmixed audio.

The best combination (for me) is a groom's wireless to the main camera (so I can monitor the sound) and the second camera's 'on-camera' mic. This seems to (again, for me) give the best combination of good pastor/groom/bride audio that can be post-mixed with the ambient from cam 2. It's proven to be a reliable, quick, (set-up/tear-down) light weight, and compact way of doing things. Now, just so you know, from time to time I'll have weddings that NEED the extra mic or two, so I always have the gear handy (usually in the truck) to do a mixed audio feed to my main camera. But camera 2 ALWAYS gets the ambient sound. If the video footage from your cam 2 is 'crappy', that's ok. As I've said elsewhere, something is better than nothing! (But upgrade as soon as you can afford to.)

Since you mentioned that you have the iRiver, I've used these and they work best for me as a back-up system. Typically, I'll put it on the pastor. If it's a Catholic mass, he'll be moving around a lot and you'll really NEED the iRiver on him.

Good Luck!

Mark

Thanks guys. This is great advice. I am definitely learning a lot.
I've been testing the Azden WMS-Pro wireless mics and I am not impressed with the sound - it's very low unless I place the mics almost near my mouth.

I've been looking at the Sennheiser Evolution G2 100 (EW100ENG) wireless mic system. How do these mics perform in comparison to the Azden mics?

Jim

Depends on which Azden you compare. Again, I've been using the 500UDR (2 systems) for about 5 years with 100% reliability-I know folks that use the Senn with the same perfomance. You have to compare apples to apples and organges to organges. The low end Azden which is what the WMS-Pro is will not stand up to the Sennheisers or the higher end Azdens, or the AT 101s.
If you like the features of the the Sennheiser then by all menas get that-if you do saty with Azden make sure it's at least the 500U although from what I understand the new 300 series is a nice setup.
Don

I've been looking at the Sennheiser Evolution G2 100 (EW100ENG) wireless mic system. How do these mics perform in comparison to the Azden mics?I've never used anything else besides the Senn G2's so I can't compare. I think it's safe to say these are the most common units in use for weddings though. (It sure seems like it). I have 2 units and neither has ever failed to deliver crisp, clean sound. Another nice thing about them is they have a frequency scanner built in to find a clean, unused channel. They'll run over 8 hours on inexpensive AA batteries too - another plus when you change them out for every shoot like I do.

Keep in mind that the FCC is supposed to be revamping the UHF frequencies in 2009 (I think) so there's talk of these things being obsolete but I don't agree with that completely. At least that change won't happen overnight anyway.

Thanks again.
Looks like I will be purchasing the Senn G2. It's not cheap but it is a worthwhile investment and my goal is to get crisp clean audio. Any good deals out their for these mics?

Jim

Rick,
Can I plug the output from the G2 receiver directly into the VX-2100 1/8" mic input or do I need an adapter?

Thanks
Jim

Rick,
Can I plug the output from the G2 receiver directly into the VX-2100 1/8" mic input or do I need an adapter?

Thanks
Jim

No adapter needed. It comes with an XLR cable and 1/8".

As far as "deals", I'd order from one of the sponsors here at dvinfo. It isn't worth saving the extra $10 to go elsewhere IMO.

You might want to think about adding $100 to the cost and get the Senn G2 system that also comes with a butt plug - this turns any handheld XLR mic into a wireless unit.

Now that you have all the technical information, the real challenge is to capture the spirit of the event. I keep the camera running through the entire service and record the pan & zooms (these are never usuable, but keep the sound in sequence). Drop in shots of the church details over the P&Z's, or tme stretch a clip to cover these - slo mo always gives a nice touch

Make a point of chatting to the vicar prior to the service, find out what he will and won't allow - then stick to his rules.

I have covered many weddings as a still photographer and dreaded Saturdays. I don't do many video weddings (about six a year) but enjoy them far more than stills.

Have fun in August and enjoy the day.

Its funny really, I am doing my first "proffessional wedding video" for 14 years next month and Jims question struck a chord. I am shooting this solo with most likely a single camera, its a freebie lost leader to get some footage for a proper demo reel. The advice given here is invaluable.

What Vincent suggested is exactly how I used to shoot the service all those years ago. My main worry is sound.....

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have a couple of questions

I have a Senheiser radio mike and a few boundary mikes to play with, along with a shotgun mike that I can use.

I have the quandry that goes like this:

a) Radio mike the groom and hopefully get the sound from that with an on cam mike.
b) Boundary mike close to the action and on cam mike
c) Shot gun mike and boundary mike remote from the cam
d) Radio mike the groom and shotgun mike close in.

I have a fear of radio mikes because to me they are an unknown, I have used wired mikes many years ago and had quite good success with them.

Whats the best way to go, setting up is probably the issue here, simplest and quickest bearing in mind that I am a solo operator.

I also had this general idea for the reception - I wanted to record the top table clearly for the speeches. To this end I bought 4 boundary mikes from Maplin, they seem ok! I also bought a Zoom 1608 multi track recorder (bit of a self indulgant reason - I wanted something to record multitrack at a venue but also wanted to play with audio recording my guitar playing heheh) I have a 20m long 8 way XLR cable to get the signals back to the recording deck. £600 for that lot but in my mind it fulfills the requirements!

I plan on recording the 4 tracks on the 1608 (capability is there also to record ambiant sound via a couple of mikes also if I wish) Record a guide track on the camera, and synch the lot in post. I can then alter the levels as I wish in the edit.

Is this over the top and I have just bought to please my gadget desire or have I taken a sensible step? The biggest issues I see are setting the mikes and running the cable back to the recording deck, plus setting initial levels.

Any thoughts?

cheers

Ian

i should point out that 95% of weddiings in the market today are still shot with 1 camera wiiith no wirellllless mic, so dont let ppls views on this board put u off.

i should point out that 95% of weddiings in the market today are still shot with 1 camera wiiith no wirellllless mic, so dont let ppls views on this board put u off.


*Grinning* Also don't forget that 99% of all statistics are made up! ;-)

Sorry Peter, I couldn't resist!

i should point out that 95% of weddiings in the market today are still shot with 1 camera wiiith no wirellllless mic, so dont let ppls views on this board put u off.True, but Uncle Buck and Cousin Cleetus don't charge for their services either.

Well, I'm glad this thread has taken on a life of its own. There is a wealth of great information here - thanks to everyone who replied.

As for me, I have yet to get the booking - the bride is busy with other things right now but promised to call. I'll have to see what happens with that.

As for my equip, I have 1 3-chip cam, 1 1-chip Sony Handycam, 2 tripods, 2 iRivers, and a Senn G2 wireless set. Hopefully that will be enough.

I have a communion this weekend so I can at least try this setup to see what needs to be updated.

Thanks again for the input.
Jim

Hey Jim, I'm in your general locale if you ever need to hire a 2nd cam man (and I don't have a booking myself at the time). I use PD170s and they would fit in nicely with your VX2100. I also use a Glidecam on one of them and the moving footage I get with it always provides a great contrast to the tripod shots...
On the flip side, I'd like to see some of your work in case I'm ever short a cam man myself...I do the CT, NY and MA areas.
Either way, you're getting to tap into some major experience on this forum.
Welcome.

Hey Vincent,
Thanks for the offer. I am intrigued. If the client goes for the additional expense I would consider it. I would need to know what you'd charge for the day.

We can talk offline if you'd like - my email is jimbucc@sbcglobal.net

Thanks
Jim

I've been looking at the Sennheiser Evolution G2 100 (EW100ENG) wireless mic system. How do these mics perform in comparison to the Azden mics?

Jim

I would insist on something that is UHF diversity, that is, a dual antenna system. The Evolution is not a diversity system. This diversity thing is to protect you from multipath distortion, and inherent problem with wireless FM systems. With diversity, there is a quick automatic change to the alternate antenna if this occurs, and a good system will do it imperceptibly. I use the Audio Technica U100. Sony makes a nice one which is compact and will attach to your camera.

Another important thing: Do a site check and make darn sure your frequency is different from the house system. I failed to do that one time and had an audio disaster. Fortunately I redid the track, but it was very embarrasing.

I am bringing this thread back from the dead since it's showtime for the wedding.
I have since upgraded to a Canon XH-A1 and bought the Senn G2 system.
The VX-2100 will be a operated backup cam so at least I'll get some extra footage. The trick will be teaching my noob operator how to use the camera and tripod and what to look for - should be interesting.

I still have the Rode VM and am going to use it on the A1 with an XLR adapter along with the wireless so that I can mix the two. At least I still have the Sony for backup audio.

I'll keep you posted. Thanks again for all of the great information.

Jim

So how did it go? I'm very curious.
I did only one wedding before, last March. I also shot it with the XH A1 and shot it all using my Glidecam Smooth Shooter, which was great to move around real quick. But it was hard to make shots from certain angles (low angles etc) Also it got real heavy for my back after walking around for 2,5 hours.

Next time I'm just going for a tripod and a shoulder mount. Hopefully someone wants to pay for a 2-camera setup, that saves me some headaches too.

Anyway, I'm curious about your story.

I also shot a wedding with the XH A1, but I used a Manfrotto Monopod, it was worth its weight in Gold. I also have a Manfrotto 525 tripod, but this is heavy and clumsy to use on a wedding. I purchased a Libec 22 tripod as it seemed lighter, but after 10 minutes the camera was off it and I returned the tripod back to the store where it was purchased from. The Pan Tilt head on the Libec was awfull. I have since purchased a Manfrotto 755N, which I use with a 503 head - SUPERB. I can also use the tripod for my stills work too (I have another head for that use).

The wedding video was great, the camera delivered outstanding shots under low light and out doors it handled bright sunlit shots very well, although the viewfinder was looking very contrasty.

I used the camera default preset and did all my colour corrections, Saturation, contrast etc. in Premiere (via a Matrox RTX2 card).

Well, the wedding went off without a hitch. I was lucky enough to enlist my brother to be 2nd cam in the balcony. My XH-A1 worked great and the footage looked pretty good.

The only problem I may have is that my 2nd cam is a VX-2100 so there may be a mismatch in the color balance. But I love that camera - it always takes a great picture and you can't beat the low light capability.

So I am eager to get it into my editing app and starting working on it.

Thanks for all of the help.
Jim

Awesome. I think it's better to have two cameras with different color settings than just to have one camera.

Glad it worked out!

The only problem I may have is that my 2nd cam is a VX-2100 so there may be a mismatch in the color balance. But I love that camera - it always takes a great picture and you can't beat the low light capability.

I hate having to color match because of different cameras. I used 2 Pd170s for the wedding I did on Saturday and it is so nice to not have to adjust anything. I haven't used a vx2100 but the pd170 can do great low light stuff as well.

Yeah, the PD-170 and the VX-2100 are the same camera optically. PD170 has professional audio and some other features, but they both take the same great video.

Jim