View Full Version : Does the new Final cut pro 6 supports V1U 24P?


Greg Quinn
May 14th, 2007, 02:41 PM
I've done some searching on the forum, but haven't found an unequivocal answer - does anyone know for sure whether one can drop an M2T file into the FCP6 timeline and it will automatically remove the pulldown as Vegas7 does? Or do we still need to use Cinema tools the telecine function?
Thanks
Greg

Douglas Spotted Eagle
May 14th, 2007, 02:50 PM
At this point in time, one cannot drop a 24p Sony HDV file on the timeline in FCP and have the pulldown removed.

Greg Quinn
May 14th, 2007, 04:48 PM
At this point in time, one cannot drop a 24p Sony HDV file on the timeline in FCP and have the pulldown removed.

Douglas
When you say "at this point in time" are you refering to the new version 6 of FCP?

Steve Mullen
May 14th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Despite many public claims by Sony, and those "associated" with Sony, that FCP would support 24p -- Apple has yet publically say anything.

We all hope FCP 6 will bring "support."

Despite the claims Apple doesn't support 24p -- Apple does. The current issue of the HDV@Work Newsletter begins this story of how to -- for both Apple and Avid.

HOW is the other big question of FCP 6? Fix Cinema Tools? AIC support? Native support?

Greg Quinn
May 14th, 2007, 10:49 PM
OK, thanks Steve. I was told that it's meant to be shipping around now, so I guess we'll hear soon.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
May 14th, 2007, 10:59 PM
Apple announced 24p support at NAB 2007, and showed a V1U in one of their presentations although they did not specifically comment on the camcorder. I do believe (perhaps wrongfully) that our own Heath McKnight blogged about the new features.
FCS 2.0 will be shipping soon, but not "about now."
VASST will offer FCS 2.0 training on the day FCS ships.

Farishad Latjuba
May 15th, 2007, 01:51 AM
FCP cannot grab for a pulldown to 24P.
What about PAL version? Will FCP able to get the 25P into its timeline. Since my understanding that 25P is not really a pulldown from the 50i.

I'm using FCP, and the discussion regarding FCP not be able to grab something from V1 have dettered me to buy this product.

Heath McKnight
May 15th, 2007, 08:12 AM
I actually wrote it for VASST (http://vasst.com/resource.aspx?id=fa3ddf80-ae14-464e-8a2c-8b9c16742785).

heath

Greg Quinn
May 15th, 2007, 11:18 AM
I'm a tad surpised that it's not yet known whether FCP6 supports V1U 24P pulldown removal, or that folks in this forum who do know aren't spilling the beans, since the product has already been publicly demo'd/announced.
Greg

Heath McKnight
May 15th, 2007, 11:36 AM
I honestly have no idea, and I was at the NAB event. Apple is always secretive and may have been tweaking other stuff leading up to the release this month. My hope is the removal of the 24p pulldown in the V1u footage, along with perhaps AVCHD support for those with the consumer HD cameras.

heath

ps-I moved this to the Non-Linear Editing on the Mac page, where more eyes can see it.

Steve Mullen
May 15th, 2007, 04:38 PM
I honestly have no idea, and I was at the NAB event.

Bottom line, there was no anouncement at the Apple Event.

So we have continued claims of support by one person -- yet his claim remains unsupported. Exactly where we have been since last summer.

However, Apple does support 2-3 pulldown removal for FCP editing at 1080p24. I've used it. So I'm not sure why folks keep saying there is NO way to do it.

Steve Benner
May 15th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Bottom line, there was no anouncement at the Apple Event.

So we have continued claims of support by one person -- yet his claim remains unsupported. Exactly where we have been since last summer.

However, Apple does support 2-3 pulldown removal for FCP editing at 1080p24. I've used it. So I'm not sure why folks keep saying there is NO way to do it.

From what I understood from the DV article was that the only problem occured when using the Sony in the 24A mode since it always records on an "A" frame. I thought that when in regular 24P Mode the pullown gets removed correctly when selecting the 1080/24P HDV preset?

Heath McKnight
May 15th, 2007, 06:36 PM
As I said in another post, I took a look at my NAB notes and wrote that there was a V1u at their enormous booth. Hmm...

heath

Josh Hayes
October 5th, 2009, 10:18 PM
I'm going to be getting Final Cut Pro 7 soon, and I was curious, did this ever get resolved? I got to briefly look at it on a job site a few days ago and saw a Sony HDV 24P setting now. Does this mean I can finally drag a clip shot on my V1U at 24P and not have to worry about removing the pulldown myself?

Josh Hayes
October 6th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Or is 24PA and capturing ProRess 422 still the best option?

Heath McKnight
October 6th, 2009, 07:33 AM
Josh,

I haven't used the V1u in about 20 months, and I wasn't the editor on the project, just the shooter. I've only been using the EX1 which shoots native 24p without a pulldown since it's tapeless. However, if I go to tape or disc, a pulldown is automatically put in so TVs can play it.

Why do you want to remove the pulldown? Even if you did, FCP puts it back in automatically unless you stay digital, ie, web, download, etc.

Heath

Josh Hayes
October 6th, 2009, 08:26 AM
Mistyped. Don't want to remove the pulldown (too many long days lately has killed some of my ability to summarize as effectively). Basically,here's the situation:

I've had my V1U for 4 years. But because it was always a pain after shooting 24P to actually get 24P in FCP, or to have to use programs like JES Deinterlacer, I never shot 24P. Also as a videographer for mostly web stuff in was essentially unnecessary.

But now I'm shooting a documentary, and I'd like to film it in 24P. So I was curious if FCP & worked out it strange initial workflow where working with 24P was such a pain. So that I can get the look and feel I'm hoping for.

I've read that ProRes 422 capture can automatically guess the cadence as long as I shoot 24P A. Is that the most viable option? Only downside to to that is it quadruples my files size as well.