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Heath McKnight June 1st, 2009 06:54 PM

Of course, before I ranted a bit there I should've said what I also thought: even if true, a lot of this info/rumor stuff we're reading is probably only part of what's going on. For all we know we could be seeing 64-bit apps here, little-to-no rendering times, Blu-ray support (at least we can encode in FCP 6.x/Compressor 3.x), and more.

Sorry to help fan the flames, but obviously we need to take a wait-and-see attitude to see what Apple actually does.

heath

Denise Wall June 2nd, 2009 04:13 AM

Well, I may have heard enough. Sadly, I guess I'll stick with my old mac and FCS1. I'm sure Apple won't miss my measly 4k.

Jason Lowe June 2nd, 2009 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Giglio (Post 1152093)
Either way, without Blu-Ray support (REAL Blu-Ray support) I may have to look elsewhere. Though I have to admit that Toast does an OK job (if you don't care about menus).

Toast makes beautiful BD discs with footage from my XH A1, but it has two problems.

1) No way to define useful chapter points.

2) Sloooooooooooooooow.

I could live with slow if it had a simple window to scrub through and drop in chapter points.

I'm willing to wait another week before hitting the panic button over DVDSP updates, but I can pretty much guarantee that I won't be upgrading to FCS3 if it doesn't burn BD, even if it's nothing more than Toast level functionality.

Now the magic question is whether to get the Adobe suite for mac or bail out and start using Vegas with Windows 7.

Jose Dominguez June 2nd, 2009 02:12 PM

Final Cut Studio 3
 
I have FCS1 and still waiting for FCS3 to come out. Is there anyone waiting for it? May be on June 12.

Andy Mees June 2nd, 2009 10:54 PM

>Is there anyone waiting for it?

No. Only you Jose ;-)

>May be on June 12.

And then again, maybe not.

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Rumors are just rumors. Those who know won't tell. Those who tell don't know. If you've waited this long then waiting some more won't hurt :-)

Andrew Kimery June 2nd, 2009 10:58 PM

We *might* get a peak at FCS 3 at the WWDC but it won't be shipping then. I doubt it will be shipping before Snow Leopard. And once it does ship give it another month or so for Apple to fix the worst of the bugs.


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Max Coyne June 3rd, 2009 08:12 AM

Jose

You are not alone! I have the same set up and am waiting to update.

I await with baited breath, (well not really as I use a toothbrush on a regular basis).

Regards,

Max

Chris Estrella June 4th, 2009 02:20 PM

I'm in the middle of several projects and I've been waiting to upgrade to even FCS2 for the longest time.

I bought the FCS2 upgrade earlier this week and had to take a risk, and now I see that FCS3 may not offer Blu-Ray (which is what I wanted from FCS3 first thing)...but I'm not going to lose faith just yet. Apple has disappointed but has also continued to surprise us...so we'll see what happens at WWDC...

Robert Rogoz June 4th, 2009 09:33 PM

OK, it might help some people with AVCHD, but no BD support (hardware and software) there is hardly any point in getting the upgrade. FCS2 Compressor was a major step back imo (as far as simplicity). To be honest I'd rather buy a new version on Clipwrap2 instead of spending a wad of money on minor upgrades

Jason Lowe June 8th, 2009 08:08 AM

The WWDC keynote is today at 10:00 am pacific (1:00 eastern) so we only have a few hours to go before we can be officially disappointed :)

Macrumors compiled a list of rumors, and of course most of them revolve around that damn phone. It's supposed to do video now (shudder) so maybe we'll get iMovie for iPhone.

They also listed a little info on Snow Leopard and some possible laptop bumps, but that's about it.

Ivan Snoeckx June 8th, 2009 01:17 PM

Indeed very disappointing. Wining more then an hour about a telephone but nothing about Final Cut Studio 3. I guess we'll now have to wait until IBC 2009 in Amsterdam, and that's in september!

Heath McKnight June 23rd, 2009 11:39 AM

I wonder if we'll just get a generic announcement later this summer? No event, just an announcement. If they're avoiding announcing stuff at existing, non-Apple events, I doubt they'll announce at IBC 09.

Heath

Harrison Murchison June 23rd, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight (Post 1162379)
I wonder if we'll just get a generic announcement later this summer? No event, just an announcement. If they're avoiding announcing stuff at existing, non-Apple events, I doubt they'll announce at IBC 09.

Heath

I would not be surprised if Apple just held a Press event where they demoed the latest versions of not only Final Cut Studio but Logic Studio and Apeture.

I'd presume this event would be coming upon the launch of Snow Leopard and would showcase optimizations and multi-core benefits of the OS with regard to how they benefit Pro users.

Heath McKnight June 23rd, 2009 12:12 PM

Harrison, I think you're right--nothing until Snow Leopard is out. From what we've heard, rumor-wise, FCS 3 may need Snow Leopard to run the best (probably not necessary but it will help), and I doubt PowerPC processors will be supported. That's about 1/2 the people I know buying new systems, if that's the case.

Heath

Harrison Murchison June 23rd, 2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight (Post 1162400)
Harrison, I think you're right--nothing until Snow Leopard is out. From what we've heard, rumor-wise, FCS 3 may need Snow Leopard to run the best (probably not necessary but it will help), and I doubt PowerPC processors will be supported. That's about 1/2 the people I know buying new systems, if that's the case.

Heath


At first I was staunchly against the idea of Apple delivering a new major version of FCS on untested OS (Snow Leopard) but then NAB came and went and then it began to sink in.

1. Apple cannot deliver a 64-bit version of FCS for Leopard as it doesn't support it.
2. The features of Snow Leopard like OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch are tailore made for Pro apps running on beefier hardware.
3. PowerPC support makes debugging and Quality Assurance harder.
4. Every Apple Pro app has gone through the same "hibernation" with little updates or word about future versions.


All in all this leads me to believe that the next Pro apps will be 64-bit and thus Intel only and they will be multi-core savvy. You may as well doing a good ole single day event ...show them all running on a fast Mac Pro and let the Press go crazy.

Heath McKnight June 23rd, 2009 12:29 PM

Well, if they're going to make it 100% Intel, might as well make it 100% Snow Leopard. Looks like I'll need to get that MacBook Pro upgrade, though the 13" and 15" models don't have ExpressCard/34 slots (BOO!).

Heath

Harrison Murchison June 23rd, 2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight (Post 1162407)
Well, if they're going to make it 100% Intel, might as well make it 100% Snow Leopard. Looks like I'll need to get that MacBook Pro upgrade, though the 13" and 15" models don't have ExpressCard/34 slots (BOO!).

Heath

Oh yes ..that was a point I forgot to make. Any developer that choses to support only Intel pretty much has to just support Snow Leopard since the only reason to support Leopard is if you have PPC clients to support.

You know I wonder when Firewire 3200 is finally going to rear its head. I was doing a bit of fact finding and basically the circuits used in FW 3200 are the same as FW800. So the physical interface should stay the same.

Now if Apple was to move towards FW 3200 next year it would lessen the blow of losing Expresscard for some people who primarily used the slot for eSATA Arrays. eSATA is still only 300MBps so FW 3200 could deliver 400MBps theoretical with a good chance of actually hitting 300MBps real world speeds.

Matt Davis June 23rd, 2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight (Post 1162400)
FCS 3 may need Snow Leopard to run the best

I want 64 bit so FCS gets the memory I purchased to finally handle long sequences and thousands of clips. I want Grand Central so FCS knows how many processors I have and how to use them. I want OpenCL so FCS redlines my GPU like any half decent game does on a PC. I want QuickTime X so FCS understands colorsync and H.264.

How could FCS3 NOT be pure Snow Leopard? It needs more Cocoa!

I'm joining the camp that believes that FCS3 (or 'whatever comes next') is a sort of waypoint watershed 'end of the beginning'. The elephant in FCP's room is definitely becoming more and more apparent as legacy bugs remain unfixed or worked around in a pretty little dance. FCP is a classic, and the bodywork and interior are cool, but the chassis is creaking.

So (hopefully) Apple has made a new chassis with a pretty much unchanged cockpit layout and the same lines with a few new grace notes to distract you from the huge shift below. Okay, so you may need to run Snow Leopard. And why not? So you may need to ditch the PowerPC. There comes a time for any computer. Yes, there will be cock-ups. There will be problems. The editing Cavalry will have to wait for the Infantry to do their job, but at last we will have progress.

Sheesh, sounding like that chap in 1984.

Heath McKnight June 23rd, 2009 12:51 PM

Matt,

You're right, there are still a few bugs here and there that haven't been fixed yet, though it looks like the High Quality DVD encode in Compressor, that was always giving many of us bad video, was fixed in the last major updates. Along with Export to QuickTime Conversion (thank you, H.264) which always gave me ugly QuickTimes.

Heath


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