If I remember well, The XL1s have been announced in the middle of July 2001 and it was available somewhere in september.

The intervals of time between a former product's rebate expiration date -- new product announcement -- and new product shipping date has been consistent with Canon USA throughout the XL1, GL1 and other DV camcorder product life cycles. Who can correctly recall what those intervals are?

Well, interesting about the myserious "invisible ink" message on the product page, but it didn't give any real info on the video specs save for "625 lines" . . . nothing about color separation or video bit rate . . . so who cares?

<<I agree about the 16x standard (white) lens, I sold mine last year and have never missed. Baffling piece of gear. Love my 14x manual though.>>

Got to agree with Charles on the 14x. I've been shooting a good deal of the Olympic documentary we're producing...typical outdoor sports challenges, and covering everything with the XL1s, 14x and a couple of ND filters and a polarizer.

It's such a treat to go from shooting with the mini35 prime lenses to a single lens system that gets you most everywhere. I also agree that it would be nice to have the extra coverage on the wide end, but it's amazing glass for under $1k.

FWW, the 14x footage looks like it's going to mix well with the staged and interiew footage that's all being shot with the P&S.

Even as it's phased out, the XL1s is a pretty amazing little creative tool.

Oh, and I restate my original prediction from a few months ago that actually inspired the creation of Area 51 (at least I contributed something here):

SD
16:9
24p
improved 1/3" chip set

Jim I agree with youThe footage I shot with the 14x lens (zoomed in a bit)looked remarkably similar to that of the p&s with nikon primes. The only difference being the light ad the grain both of which would be minimal in a more controlled enviornment.

I don't know if swampland guy is telling the truth but I can't say that his info sounds too far fetched. I wish there would have been a little more to it then 24p and the release dates (which many of us have guessed similarly to over the past 4 months-or at least since NAB) I think Jean Phillipe is probably right on the ball. (I'll hold my breath ON july 14th though)

Still nothing?
 

Its July 1st in most of the world and its almost July 2nd in Japan. Still no breaking news? How can this be? I guess I shouldn't have expected it to be like watching the ball come down in New York, or staying up till Midnight to be the first one to see Lord of the Rings.

Justin: as explained time and time again NOTHING IS SURE until
Canon decides to announce something. It is as easy as that.
Everything else is complete speculation or just bogus and you
should treat it as such.

Yes, the rebate expiring is a good indication. BUT, as has been
said time and time again in this thread the announcement for
the XL1S happened *mid* July, two weeks after the rebate
expired.

So if (and that IS a big if!) something would happen shortly your
best bet is in two weeks give or take a week.

Now please don't take my word as fact (because it isn't, I know
as much as the rest does) and for all I know there could be no
replacement at all or if there is one it might be announced in
time for Christmas.

WHO KNOWS.

Don't get hung up by any dates. Yes, a film studio will announce
the exact date of a movie months and months in advance. Canon
doesn't with its camera's so stop expecting an announcement
when people are just speculating about it!

<< Its July 1st in most of the world and its almost July 2nd in Japan. Still no breaking news? >>

Justin, you haven't been reading my posts, or you would have known better than to feel this way.

Once again: you have to study Canon's history, because by studying history you can predict the future. And Canon's history clearly states that in the past they have *never* announced a major new product the very next day after a former one expires.

History also clearly states that for a flagship product of the XL1 caliber, announcements are always made at major industry events such as, say, a trade show. Was there a major industry event yesterday or today? No? What major industry event is about to happen, then? I wonder if an announcement will be made at that show.

It's no secret that these manufacturers tend to operate by a very predictable pattern, and if you look at their past as we've been discussing here, it helps you to see that the future is quite clear. You can put two and two together. Hope this helps,

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : What major industry event is about to happen, then? I wonder if Canon will make an announcement at that show. -->>>

Due to my lack of knowledge of the answer, what major industry event is about to happen?

Hmm, what could that be. Anybody?

I have no idea... (but I bet you can find it if you read carefully through this thread)

Hi Rob and Chris,

It's not exactly worth it to read through 12 pages to get the simple answer. I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting to hear an announcement on the XL1s upgrade.

Putting that aside, I don't even have a camera yet; not the best candidate to recite upcoming conferences.

Go easy on the new guys, eh?

Steve

one of the things some new guys don't know is that if its underlined...you can click on it...and like rob says...he has no idea.

barry

Hey Barry,

No, I knew that much. Not new to web design, or vBulletin for that matter.

Thank you though.

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== Ed ==