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Gary Bettan March 16th, 2005 08:45 PM

Just got word from Avid, the Xpress Studio rebates have been exteded for 10 more days - through March 25th!!

Gary

Gregory Doi March 18th, 2005 05:26 PM

Liquid sucks
 
I have to use liquid at work. It sucks. nothing works how it should. I cant export anything with transitions, titles, or effects. Go to Vegas. Much better program.

Joe Carney March 22nd, 2005 08:32 AM

Avid releases source for DNxHD codec
 
Avid has released source code for the DNxHD codec so developers can create apps that can access Avid MFX compliant files.
There are no official support programs for this.

http://www.avid.com/dnxhd/

Kyle Edwards March 25th, 2005 10:02 PM

It would be nice if there was a VFW codec released. As of now, what can do you do with it?

Dylan Pank March 26th, 2005 12:11 PM

Over at HDforIndies it was explained like this:

"I think the reasons Avid put this out was 1) it makes them look an open source friendly company, 2) it could be used by post houses that wanted to read DNxHD media frame by frame into a compositing system 3) companies could evaluate it for licensing in devices. Ikegami has a camera in development that will record DnxHD 220."

This is not a direct comment from Mike Curtis but a quote he put up in his blog.

Dylan Pank March 26th, 2005 05:54 PM

As far as I know VFW is completely obsolete now, so that's incredibly unlikely. Hopes for a quicktime codec were more likely though that also seems (legally) impossible given the terms of the licence

Kyle Edwards March 26th, 2005 06:53 PM

Video for Windows is obsolete?

Dylan Pank March 27th, 2005 02:26 PM

Yes, these days video in XP is handled by DirectX. I guess there could be a VFW codec hacked together by someone but it wouldn't be terribly legitimate (think DivX 3) and would only work in something like VirtualDub (though that would still be really useful.)

Kyle Edwards March 27th, 2005 08:12 PM

VFW and Directshow.

Dylan Pank March 28th, 2005 02:43 AM

yes, Directshow, my mistake.

Kyle Edwards March 28th, 2005 04:23 PM

Even a Directshow version would be useful. Easier than the command line they released. Maybe in due time, maybe not.

Gary Bettan April 1st, 2005 02:37 PM

Avid Xpress Pro HD w/ P2 Support
 
Hey guys, just reviewing some of my past notes and conversations with the folks at Avid. At last NAB they announced P2 support. That means you can you pop the P2 solid-state media into a reader, or the PCMCIA slot on a laptop or desktop machine and the media is LIVE and ready to go! No Didigitizing/ capture required.

Avid Xpress Pro HD fully supports DVCPRO HD now. I checked the Avid DNxHD speca and it has full support for:

DVCPRO HD 1080i/60
DVCPRO HD 1080i/50
DVCPRO HD 720p/60

I'm sure the Avid folks are already working with Panasonic to add support for the full gamut of formats this amazing new camcorder can deliver in. So if this the camcorder you are drooling over, then XPress pro HD is the NLE you should be looking at as well.

http://www.videoguys.com/XpressProHD.html

Gary

Brad Abrahams April 1st, 2005 03:28 PM

The Xpress Pro HD 5.1 update adds support for 720p/23.976 as well as 1080p/24.

Gary Bettan April 1st, 2005 03:36 PM

Just got the an email from Avid with more info.

Announcing Avid Xpress Pro HD 5.1

Expanding on the vast array of video and film editing capabilities found in the affordable, portable Avid Xpress® Pro HD product, Avid is pleased to announce Avid Xpress Pro HD 5.1 for Windows XP. Version 5.1 is available today as a free software-only download for all registered Avid Xpress Pro HD 5.0 customers and will be offered as a paid upgrade kit for Avid Xpress Pro and Avid Xpress DV customers.

Key New Features

Enhancements in Avid Xpress Pro HD 5.1 include:

* An industry first! Live capture of normal pulldown (2:3:2:3) over IEEE-1394. Another Avid breakthrough for native “24-frame” editing. For NTSC 23.976 projects, you can now capture DV25 23.976p and DV50 23.976p material with normal pulldown through a 1394 connection then edit the material and output it as 24p NTSC with 2:3 pulldown (output only is also available as part of Avid Xpress Pro HD 5.0).

* Expanded HD project format support with the addition of 720p/23.976 for use with Panasonic Varicam (capture and output) and 1080p/24 (edit and playback only) for film projects requiring true 24.000fps. There are four new Avid DNxHD™ resolutions for these new formats. See “Newly Supported HD Format” and “New Avid DNxHD Resolutions” below for details.

* Tapeless workflow from acquisition into post with support for:

o Panasonic P2* (DV25 only). Edit directly from P2 cards, or quickly transfer media files to hard disk allowing users to re-deploy P2 cards. P2 cards can use a PC card slot (PCMCIA) in the system or a device like the 5-card Panasonic AJ-PCD10 drive.

o Sony XDCAM (DVCAM (DV25) capture only, no IMX or MPEG4 offline proxy). Customers can efficiently capture media into their edit system via direct import from DVD-ROM and edit native DV25 high-res media.

* Remote Play and Capture: Use Avid Xpress Pro HD like a videotape recorder (VTR) by remotely controlling the capture tool via an external serial connection. Similar to VTR emulation without offspeed support.

* Color Correction Split Screen: The split screen can now be displayed in the Client monitor as well as in the Edit monitor. With this feature, you can accurately compare corrected and uncorrected versions of a segment on a properly calibrated broadcast monitor.

Avid looks to be way out in front here. For more info http://www.videoguys.com/XpressProHD.html

Gary

George Griswold May 1st, 2005 06:57 AM

Avid Workflow w/ Xpress Pro HD w/ HDV
 
I know that people are using Avid Xpress Pro HD V.5.1.2 w/ HDV using some conversion software. I downloaded a program, CAPDVHS , but it does not see the camera.
The down convert in the camera (via firewire) does not look very good to me, so does anyone have a suggestion? Right now I am exporting using the analog outs through the Avid MOJO, and it is OK, but I am not getting the best results.

Thank you in advance,
George

Mark Grant May 1st, 2005 07:13 AM

If you capture the files in an external program and rename the .m2t files to .mpg you can load them into Sorenson Squeeze and convert them into a format that Avid understands for import. Of course that does mean recompressing, which will have an impact on picture quality.

Hopefully it won't be too long before Avid finally release their native HDV support.

Richard Alvarez May 1st, 2005 07:16 AM

George,

I'm not cutting with 5.12 right now, as I'm in the middle of a large documentary project. But if you go to www.avid.com and ask in the forums there, some really nice people will insult you, and then tell you more than you need to know about anything you ask.

(Trust me.)

George Griswold May 1st, 2005 07:52 AM

Richard, I read the forums on Avid all the time, but the solutions there don't seem to work for me. I may just wait until Avid releases the native HDV patch. It seems that most of the methods to get HDV into the Avid compromise the image quality.

The insults have sadly become part of the forum... gripe and reply.

Thank you,
George

Richard Alvarez May 1st, 2005 07:55 AM

Yeah, I'm afraid you''ll have to wait until "mid 05" whatever that means. Sorry, good luck.

Hamad Abdulla May 29th, 2005 02:30 PM

Does the Avid Xpress Pro HD support Sony's HDCAM's well?
 
I was just wondering, the Avid Xpress Pro HD supports sony HDCAM's like the Sony HDW-730s well?? Or is it meant for HDV and compresed HD video only??

Alan Buckler June 15th, 2005 01:59 PM

Using AVID to edit weddings?
 
Hi there!

I was wondering if anybody out there uses AVID (any form) to edit their wedding videos with?
I'm about to buy a new system to run Avid Xpress DV, which i plan to edit many wedding videos with. Once I've edited them, i then plan on outputting the finished film onto DVD for clients to view on their domestic players.

If anybody has any advice about using Avid for this purpose i'd be very grateful to hear your advice.
Also, if anybody has any tips or general advice to give me based on my situation, again i'd be extremely grateful.

Finally, if anybody considered getting Avid but chose not to, then please tell me why you decided against it, and what editing software you chose to use instead?
What is the preferred editor of choice for the fellow wedding videographers out there? Why did you decide on that one?

Thanks for reading and (hopefully) replying, i am very grateful.
Regards,
Alan

Richard Alvarez June 15th, 2005 02:22 PM

Alan,

I answered your DVD question in another post. As I stated, I cut on Avid Xpress Pro. But I don't do weddings. I cut documentaries, shorts and films. I tend towards long form editing. For this Avid excells.

I think you'll find a lot of the event photographers are cutting on Vegas and Premiere. Both of these programs will do an excellent job, and are a little less expensive than Avid. Avid MIGHT be overkill for you.

I won't address the merits of each NLE, they all can 'cut weddings'. Some have stronger suits in some areas than others. Bottom line advice we pretty much give everyone who asks 'which one is best' is to download and try each version. Avid has "Avid XpressDV FREE" which you can download off their site for free and try it out. Vegas and Premiere I'm pretty sure have demo versions available.

The user interface on each of these is very different. People claim each one is 'more intuitive' than the other. People also claim it was difficult to unlearn one and move to another. BUt that's a personality trait, not a NLE function.

So you can try before you buy! Good luck.

Maurizio Panella June 15th, 2005 02:26 PM

I can edit a wedding in the best accurate way in two days.I have an Ibm Intellistation Z-Pro dual xeon 3.06 with Pinnacle Liquid Edition and FilmFX plug-in.With this software I can edit a dvd directly from timeline with chapters,really simple and easy.

Ciao from Italy.
Maurizio.

Jason Bowers June 15th, 2005 03:44 PM

Hi Alan,
I use premiere pro with photoshop and after effects. All I really do is Wedding videography and I find that this system really suits my needs. Avid is really for professional documentaries,films, and such. You could probably save a whole lot of money by going either Adobe or Sony, both have tons of third party plugins available. Also the learning curve is very easy on both NLE systems. If you plan on doing stuff for your television station then you have to go either AVid or Final Cut. So look at your target audience and budget and decide.

Peter Jefferson June 15th, 2005 10:20 PM

If your wanting to deliver broadcast, i would suggest avid, if yoru wanting to deliver domestic (as you are) id suggest something different.

Purely software based, i would recommend Vegas 6, as its media management system is totally kick ass. This is good for retaining stock footage/title sets etc etc
Vegas also has the most powerful audio tools which will be essential to anything you produce

Pinnacle also works well, but if uve never used it, its learning curve and tedious workflow might piss u off

Premiere is also good, not my personal taste as i cant stand the boggy menu system but its got some good Hardware "realtime" support

and edius, well its good, but ill put that in the pinnacle bin, being that when u can get it to work, it works really well.. but gettin to that point can aggravate you.

if youve never edited before, Vegas is the way to go, but in the end, the only way to really find out what works is to download teh demos and see what works for you

cheers
p

Courtney Lana June 16th, 2005 04:34 AM

I've use Avid, Premiere, Vegas (a little) and Pinnacle. Premiere I've used the most though. I prefer that one over the rest just because of my time with it. I know where stuff is at.

But looking to get one with no experience with any, Avid is going to require some time to get to know. I've heard that the learning curve with it is much steaper than the others meantioned. I didn't think it was hard, but it is a different system.

The good thing about Premiere is that things are laid out similar to Photoshop and After Effects. That's a plus if you use Photoshop and After Effects, which I do. So things kinda go hand in hand.

Vegas I loved, but I chose to stay with Premiere. Vegas had an easy to manuever layout.

I've got issues with Pinnacle. It goes back to support for one of their products the DC1000/2000, in which they just dropped off the face of the earth. For that I'm afraid to touch something else that they release. Makes me wonder when the day will come that they'll drop Liquid off and go with something else. I've used Liquid some, but I didn't really care for it personally.

The good thing about all these systems - minus Pinnacle - is that you can buy books from your local book store on them to train with. Avid didn't used to have books. Used to be you had to go for training, and that's probably still true with some of their higher end products, but there's plenty of books on Xpress Pro. Tons for Premiere and Vegas too.

You have to set up some criteria that you want your system to do - price, performance, features, etc. Maybe Avid requires you to upgrade your computer, where Premiere doesn't. Maybe Vegas doesn't support your camera, where Avid does. Maybe Premiere doesn't have a plug in that you want, where Vegas does......and so on and so on.

Any of those three will get the job done perfectly. After it's all said and done and you're viewing your final cut on DVD on your big screen TV, you won't know which editing system was used. They all do the same thing. The tools are just laid out alittle bit differently.

Court

Gary Bettan June 16th, 2005 04:03 PM

Avid Xpress Pro HD By Charlie White
 
DMN Review - New version of highly scalable editing software nails it!

(6/15/05) Avid Xpress Pro HD ($1695 software only, $295 for students) is a new version of Avid’s lowest-cost line of editing software. Adding to its mile-high feature set are improvements such as DVCProHD support, along with real time HD multicamera editing. You get a lot for your money with this package, but there’s one important thing missing from its extensive list of features that Avid says we’ll seeing by the end of this year—native HDV editing—although it will be provided free to all Avid Xpress Pro HD customers. Let’s take a close-up look.

For our testing, we used the basic software-only version of Avid Xpress Pro HD, which doesn’t include the Avid Mojo hardware box, a $1695 option that’s also available bundled with Avid Xpress Pro software for a total of $2595 after rebate. Of course, when equipping yourself for this task of multistream editing, and especially anything having to do with high definition, you’d be much better off with a really fast machine with a RAID -0 array moving data around quickly. But in our testing, even without those fast disks or the Mojo hardware, the performance of the software was still sprightly and useful. The scalability of this software serves as a great performance enhancer—the beauty of this software-driven system Avid has developed lies in that fact that better the host computer and drives, the better your performance will be.

follow this link for full review http://www.digitalproducer.com/artic...jsp?id=33029-0

As always, we've got some great deals going on Avid Xpress Pro HD ;-)

Gary
Videoguys.com

Art Guglielmo June 23rd, 2005 06:27 AM

Avid bought Pinnacle, so expect Liquid to "Dissappear"

I used premiere for years, and now use Final Cut. Avid is a bit expensive, and has a higher learning curve, in that the interface is a bit older, and some things arn't as "conventional" as all the other NLE's. Most of the other programs, you can bounce back and forth with minimal fuss, but if you go to the Avid, things are slightly different.

On the Avid side, many people are AVID editors, swear by it, and will touch nothing else. AVID is the only name in professional movie editing (Final Cut making some in roads now), but for starting a new wedding business, AVID is probably not the best chioce.

Alan Buckler June 28th, 2005 01:11 PM

Problems with Avid Xpress DV when trying to capture from AG-DVC60
 
Hi there everybody.

I just received my new copy of Avid Xpress DV 4.6 yesterday, and now that i've installed & registered it, i'm having trouble actually getting it to work!

I have used Avid before at college for 3 years, so i have a basic-to-good understanding of how to capture/edit/digital-cut with it, but i've never had to set-up and configure my own system so i need some help.

Can anybody out there give me any guide or help for what i need to do in order to start capturing?
I'm trying to capture from my Panasonic AG-DVC60 Camcorder, via firewire cable, into my new workstation's firewire port.

I have been able to capture before from it with "Cyberlink PowerDirector", which was able to control the camera just fine. Avid however is unable to recognise the camera at the moment, so i haven't been able to begin to edit yet.

I'd really appreciate any help that anyone can give me, i'm struggling at the moment!
Many thanks for reading this post, i hope you can help.
Regards,
Alan

Richard Alvarez June 28th, 2005 01:22 PM

Alan,

Under 'configure deck settings' you can choose 'generic dv device' as a start, if you can't find your specific cam.

Gary Bettan July 14th, 2005 07:45 AM

Amazing bundle offer! Avid Xpress DV 4 and the ADS Pyro AV Link for Less than $500!!
 
Introducing the Avid Xpress DV 4 AV $499.95!

This complete package lets you capture & edit all your videos — even that old VHS/8mm footage from years ago — and share them with your family & friends on tape, DVD or via the web - the choice is yours!! Now you can get all the tools you need to produce high-quality movies at an affordable price!

Avid Xpress DV is the perfect way to explore the exciting world of digital video and make an investment in your future with a product that has minimal requirements and cross-platform compatibility sure to run on your current WindowsXP or Mac OS X machine! Avid Xpress DV is also completely upgradeable & compatible with every level of Avid’s Academy Award® winning broadcast technology!

The ADS PYRO A/V Link media converter gives you the freedom to use footage from any video source with Avid Xpress DV. Just connect the A/V Link to your PC or Mac’s FireWire port and begin capturing high-quality audio and video. You may also use the A/V Link to output your final masterpiece to any camcorder or VCR for a tape to share with your friends or family.

For more info check out our XDV4AV page http://www.videoguys.com/XDV4AV.html

Gary

Peter Jefferson July 14th, 2005 08:08 AM

How much extra for a Mojo unit with this bundle?

Gary Bettan July 14th, 2005 11:06 AM

Mojo does not work with Xpress DV, it requires Xpress Pro or Pro HD.

We are offering a very good deal on an XPress Pro/ProHD & Mojo bundle. It comes to $1995 after $400 mail in rebate. you can find more info here http://www.videoguys.com/XpressProHD.html

Gary

Cody Dulock July 14th, 2005 12:24 PM

deinterlacing in avid express pro hd?
 
im trying to compress some footage to put on the web and i want to deinterlace it, but i have no clue how to do that. any help would be great!

Richard Alvarez July 14th, 2005 12:57 PM

what are you using to compress it?

Richard Alvarez July 14th, 2005 12:59 PM

Gary,

Maybe you can help me. What's the difference between Sonic REELDVD LE and REEL DVD ? Is the prive on ReelDVD $199 for LE or Full version?

Cody Dulock July 14th, 2005 01:07 PM

im trying to learn avid, so i was trying to use the sorenson 3 codec... i guess anything for that matter.

Gary Bettan July 14th, 2005 01:42 PM

ReelDVD le is a cut down version of the full application. You get the same interface and features as the full version, with these 3 exceptions:

1. ReelDVD le gives you 3 subtitle tracks (the full version can have 32)
2. ReelDVD le gives you 3 audio tracks (the full version can have 8).
3. ReelDVDle does not include Dolby AC-3 encoding

Gary

Richard Alvarez July 14th, 2005 01:58 PM

OK, So the REELDVD for 199.95 is the LE version on your webpage? It's not very clear if it's the FULL or LE version.

Is there an upgrade from LE to Full?

Edward Borden July 14th, 2005 02:27 PM

How does the ADS unit compare quality-wise to something from Canopus? This price is insanely good, regardless of quality. For $50, that thing's got to be better than the "All-In-Wonder" analog inputs alot of home users are using for analog ingest.


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