HD100/200/250 and Avid Liquid 7.1
 

I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?

The short answer is yes to 60p.

Liquid is designed to work with HDV. Coincidentally, I've been thinking of producing some "seat of my pants" productions on HOW to edit ProHD for film, dvd, broadcast (HDV to (SP) BetaSP/DVCam & HDTV) and internet delivery (flv, wmv, divx, mp4, mpeg) with Liquid 7.1

I demonstrated the workflow for the Chicago user group and JVC in March using the BR-50 deck.

does it support PAL's 25p on the HD100E or HD101E?

Yes,

I verfied the workflow for another user just last week. Capture, edit, dump to tape works for HDV25p and PAL as well.

S.Noe

What if I don’t want to dump to tape, just edit and down convert for DVD?

This is probably a stupid question, but im still learning.

The question is valid. Liquid will scale the HDV to DVD 16x9.

This PDF is for Liquid 6 but alot of it still applies. Click Here

Thankyou for help

I was really impressed by the Liguid demo -- except for the typical Pinnacle software crash -- but was blown away when they said it didn't handle 24p or 24F.

Liquid does handle 24p film workflow in HD(V) (capture, edit, output).

Liquid does not handle 24p in in DV (sorry DVX100 users).

I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets. The complete native workflow is definitely a heavily requested feature and Avid are aware of this.

"except for the typical Pinnacle software crash"
It is actually quite unusual for Liquid 7.1 to crash. Every NLE will crash as some stage, but I can edit with Liquid all day without a single crash. Luckily of course the only inconvenience with a crash and Liquid is the need to either reboot or start Liquid again, you'll never loose any work unlike all other NLEs. Don't forget crash's can be caused by many things other than the application itself.

If you are concerned about these minor issues, just use your SSF mentality and work around the minor idiosyncities...

Have fun with this 24p workflow w/Liquid 7

Click here for video

all the best...

That's exactly what the Avid guy said. No capture of 24p or 24F. Which may also mean no export of 24p or 24F back to HDV.

But, Stephen says there is.

So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape.

And, yes the crash did allow him to demonstrate that nothing is lost with a crash. Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?

"So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape."
That is accurate. It is an file in/file out only process at the moment.

"Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?"
Unless Stephen is a beta tester it is unlikely he will have 7.1 yet, it is yet to be formally released. We really aren't meant to openly discuss it yet. I have probably already said too much even if it was positive.

Which makes it as useless as everything else, but CineForm with Premiere Pro and Canopus EDIUS (especially V4 coming next month).

No capture -- no edit.

Not really, from what I have heard you just capture with DVHS. Import the assets and edit native.

It's no different to my DV workflow where I always capture with Scenelyzer Live and import to Liquid (done it this way since using Premiere 6).

It's a process that is quick and easy and doesn't compromise any of your footage or quality like other apparently acceptable issues in some products everyone is so happy to just accept.

@S. Mullen & G. Barwood,

I recommend you pick up a copy of Liquid 7 and try it for youself with your HD-100's & BR50's.

take care...

BTW There is an event called "Liquid Immersion" that is happening in North Carolina later this year. This is a Liquid editor summit. I will be there to display how Liquid works with HDV as well. I invite you to come join the fun. Click Here

Already have 7.1 thanks.

Me too, and camera and deck....

It works Have 7.1
 

Have been editing now in 720P25 for over 3 months no crash, no hang ups, just work and I am talking long form (read 30 mins plus docus), will post a link soon to a 6 min film fully edited in Liquid 7.1 in 720P25 shot on the GYHD100, with mass dupes on CD which play via DiVX compatible DVD in HD as well as on compurters. Now thats a complete solution. Shoot HD edit HD and distribute HD.

Hi Stephen:

I was just on the Avid - Liquid site and I was trying to find out what version of Liquid is version 7.1. They have Avid Liquid, Avid Liquid Pro, and Avid Liquid Chrome all refering to just version 7. Some of the features that you describe and show in the demonstration video are not available on the Avid Liquid version 7 that I have.

Thanks

The interface is identicle between 7.0 and 7.1 so nothing should look unfamiliar to you (unless you're using the new bubblegum interface). The presets that I show, I created.

I'm displaying the "classic" FAST interface, not the new default interface. I keep fogetting that people who are new to Liquid are using the new interface and probably have never launced the 'classic' interface.

I'm totally confused.

Avid claims Liquid does not capture 24p. Guy also says it does not.

Guy and Avid both say use a separate capture rountine.

You claim Liquid does 24p Capture and 24p Export-to-Tape.

Clearly someone is right and someone is wrong.

I'm not interested in wasting my time on downloading 7.0 when 7.1 is coming -- and still no answer to a simple 24p question.

So Stephen, HOW do you capture 24p and export 24p to HDV tape, from WITHIN Liquid 7.0 or 7.1 WITHOUT using any other software?

I was basing my info on the knowledge that previous versions didn't support it and I couldn't remember seeing this as a feature of 7.1, however as I don't have a 24p camera it could slip by me.

7.1 is not 'publically' released yet, but I would think you could almost start holding your breath as you would have seen at NAB. Also not being released, things can still change.

You need not worry anyway Steve, I doubt I'll ever hear of you using Liquid either way.

Steve - no need to be confused, Stephen posted a link which demonstrates the live capture and record to tape of 24P within the Liquid interface (using JVC) as well as a 24P filmout. I know it's pretty dreary as far as tutorials go, but it answered all your questions. Just watch it.

The new GUI looked good, far better than the FAST version for the Sony I reviewed years ago. And, the integrated DVD burner is great. Hopefully, Avid has revised the German-to-English manual that came with the first version.

Bizzare that the Avid guys claimed no 24p support when folks were beating on them to support 24p and 24F.

With 24p support, it would certainly be worth reviewing.

Looks like Avid has a three prong strategy: software MC at $5000, XP at $2000, and Liquid at $500-$1000. Oddly, Liquid 7 and MC may be the best choices of the three.

Funny how we all like different things. I like the origonal (classic) interface but don't like the integrated DVD authoring and still author my DVDs in ReelDVD.

"Bizzare that the Avid guys claimed no 24p support when folks were beating on them to support 24p and 24F."
I can't deny that video does exactly what I thought 24p I/O was all about, clearly I was wrong and Liquid 7 does do 24p I/O. Maybe there is a native 24p (not encapsulated in a 60p stream as it is in HDV) that it doesn't do hence why they still don't claim 24p support, but that seems almost like they are being too harsh on themselves and should give themselves credit for the 24p ProHD support they have.

PS: They re-wrote the manual a few versions ago, it is far far better, though most people don't read manuals if iy can helped ;-)

You guys should remember a couple of things.

First, There is no DV 24p support so DVX100 camera owners still can not use Liquid as a solution for 24p

Second, HDV 24p is captured at 60p and then the repeat flags are disregarded by the software. You are really capturing 60p and dumping back to tape 60p (with repeat flags back in place). Liquid 6.1 worked the same way except you had to import the files. Now with Liquid 7.1 you can capture and dump right back to tape as you would with regular DV with the added bonus of the ProHD workflow.

@John M. no extra charge for the "Dreary" ;-) "Seat of my Pants" productions are uncut. I did update the file after I downloaded a version of Camtasia that the audio plays smoothly and doesn't drop out in the middle.

Mate - I thought it was lifted from a professional tutorial. I find them all pretty heavy going. You know what it's like when you know the basics and you just want to get to the point of the exercise in a hurry. Brilliant that you put that together for our benefit.

I guess it more like a live demo as opposed to a scripted tutorial :)

And probably not for 24F. But we don't care. :)

Don't take the "Dreary" to heart! It is far better to have seat-of-the-pants that none at all!

Please do more. Maybe I'll do some when EDIUS V4 arrives.

While Camtasia is very good, everyone with a PC should be aware you can also do the same thing with the free Microsoft Windows Media Encoder as well. It probably doesn't have the same bells and whistles as Camtasia, but then again it is totally free as well.

Free little tutorials really rock.


Guy

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