And nerdy.

oops, Josh you're right, i was never good@math =). i can see why paramount wouldn't wanna sponsor a 5th season. heck, they can make a handful of EVENT films at that BUDGET! i would even take lesser quantity of episodes provided each episode had higher quality writing. case in point are shows on HBO. they're merely 10-13 but each episode is quality stuff.

rob, i agree wholeheartedly. the biggest thing about voyager finale was the blatant rip off of TNG's finale (also passage of time differential), only what fits TNG does NOT fit voyager. as i noted before the mystery of the caretaker and array should've been explored more cause they started that thread in the pilot episode... but never went back. the beginning and the end should flow as one coherent whole instead of a zig-zagging nonsense, which voyager became as time went on.

i also agree on the whole time travel ordeal, it is sordid and tiring.

the thing about all of the feature films is that i never felt like i was watching an epic film (motion picture comes close, but no cigars). even as great as 2 and 6 is it still comes off like just an episode of TOS or TNG. i dunno why but films are never as epic as lord of the rings emotionally nor intellectually as big as the matrix trilogy. based on the films alone they can never supercede even the star wars prequels in scope and scale.

<<<-- the thing about all of the feature films is that i never felt like i was watching an epic film (motion picture comes close, but no cigars). even as great as 2 and 6 is it still comes off like just an episode of TOS or TNG. i dunno why but films are never as epic as lord of the rings emotionally nor intellectually as big as the matrix trilogy. based on the films alone they can never supercede even the star wars prequels in scope and scale. -->>>

That's almost entirely Paramount's fault. Except for the first one (the one that comes the closest to looking EPIC) Paramount never wanted to spend much money on Star Trek films. Just enough to get them on screens because there's a pre-built audience that they can wring for every dollar. I think no. 2 cost something like $18 million. Even in 1982 that won't buy you a whole lot of movie. Generations cost (and when I say cost, I mean was given, because that's how it works in Hollwood. They give you so much money and that's all you've got to make your movie with, there is no more) $40 million. That's just not enough money to make an epic space adventure movie.

The best thing to come out of Voyager was Species 8472. I wish they could have explored that more.

As much as Voyager lagged compared to TNG and DS9, it was great to see the Borg get dropped kicked into the end zone.

As for Enterprise, I dropped off about 6 episodes into the 1st season, I really wanted to like it. But let's face, Scott Bakula was so much more interesting in Quantum Leap. Heck I still watch those re-runs.

i think for the next iteration of star trek on film to succeed it would have to take the form of someone like peter jackson who is passionate about LOTR. it'd have to a director who can direct but also loves the star trek material. and i'd really like to see rick berman get out of the business in general. it's terrible what he's doing the franchise.

i mean can you imagine a LOTR-like thing with star trek? i'd so watch it. i'd also like to see a proper send off with TNG cast. nemesis was as terrible "send off". it's still not too late, none of the current cast has died yet =).

"But let's face, Scott Bakula was so much more interesting in Quantum Leap"

I have a harder time, trying to buy Quantum Leaps time travel, than any of Star Treks. I could just never buy him leaping into another person, anymore than I could buy Voyagers "Year in Hell", which never happened. I was quite the opposite, as I couldn't see him as a Starfleet captain, but ended up liking his character, sort of like Michael Keaton doing Batman...

As far as the movies go, I pretty much agree, that they were nothing but a half-assed attempt. The only motivation they had, was to milk any extra cash out of faithful fans, and it really shows. Even the old animated shows were better written.

Time for Paramount to roll over, and let REAL Trek folks take the reigns. And for the record, my oldest son is named James Tiberius, and my youngest son is named Benjamin Sisco, but only because the wife wouldn't go for M. Scott ;)

Hell yeah!

Star Trek: Ship Interns!

No, wait, follow me. . .

an entire episode about a young intern's journey as he discovers how to coil warp nacelle cable. . .and he discovers he's in love with the girl his best friend's dating.

It's sort of an OC/Dawson's Creek etc. meets Star Trek. No, really, it'll work. It'll have to go to the WB, of course. You'll all hate it. So will I.

I think Keith just won the award for the most devoted Trek fan on this board. Bar none.

Hey - how about a Project Greenlight where they do a Star Trek episode? They're doing a horror film this time around - why not sci-fi the next time! And then we can laugh at and ridicule the poor shlep they sucker into doing it and we can all laugh together like mini Qs, reveling in the frailty of the puny humans trying to make their silly corporeal film.

Keith . . .biggest fan?

But I met Data! For real!

<<<-- Originally posted by Josh Bass : Keith . . .biggest fan?

But I met Data! For real! -->>>

But Keith might BE Data!

Dear God. . .that would be so sad. Brent spiner spending all his time on a DV forum. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

PLEASE don't insult me like that! I want nothing to do with TNG!

TNG rules.

wahddya think of a star trek trilogy?

Man oh man. . .that's a hurculean task. Three movies that are somehow better and more exciting than any movie or episode of any of the series that have previous come before? Very tough.

Which crew would it be? Or would it be all previously unseen characters? Too much to think about.

A few things:

Definitely should be shot on miniDV
-Dogme style
-entirely improvised dialogue (a la Curb your Enthusiasm).

i think it can be done =). it's all about the story though no matter which crew. all of the crew can have compelling stories if done correctly. like i said in everyone's heart they really wanted to see a better set of films from the TNG crew than what's out there now. i don't consider nemesis a "send off" because TNG never "got off" to begin with in star trek generations. their finest hour came in All Good Things... series finale. i can still remember picard sitting down in the poker card table looking around saying, "i should have done this a long time ago". that was awesome. then an overhead crane shot. =). if the series ended there and they never did any films i would have been OK if i died. but they made films based on the TNG crew... so i'd like to see an enormously fulfilling TNG film.

but getting back on topic, SpikeTV has already said that quote was taken out of context (of course). it looks like this is reallyt he last/final season of enterprise after all.

You just wait. The franchise will be reincarnated on the WB as the teen show

Trek High

Maybe it will be re-incarnated as a reality show?

- Trading Spaces, giving it a whole new twist.
- Queer Eye for the Star Trek guy.
- Iron Chef / Star Trek would be fun, as long as they had some Klingons cooking, though the replicators would make it boring.
- Charlie Rose, with Data as the interviewer. Or even better, have Worf as the interviewer ... interviewing Data.

I guess, technically, these would be alternate reality shows.



Geez, I'm going through Star Trek withdrawals ...

They should seriously look at the more innovative shows that have come out since the ST:NG and see if they can apply them to the new Trek:

24:
"My name is Jonathan Archer and this is the worst day of my life.

Bup-BEEP bup-BEEP"

Lost:
"I dunno, Dude. Something's on the other side of that forcefield and it's a giant giraffe or a horta or something."

Deadwood:
"Listen you pustilanimous cocksucking rideheaded heathen. Shake that there pecker in my face again and I'll transport your left breast into that asteroid."

The Shield:
"Hey. Take some of that dilithium and stash it. We don't have to tell Starfleet we're keeping some for street value. They'd just make us fill out a lot of paperwork. Oh yeah, see that Ferengi? Kill him."

How about a Star Trek comedy?! It would be great if done in the style of Scrubs.

Harry Mudd, Q, Weyoun, the Lizard Captain who almost killed Kirk, Zephram Cochrane and the female dust cloud he falls in love with on the asteroid, and a small spaceship with the usual voice of Majel Barret all get thrown back in time by an uber-powerful entity from the Gamma Quadrant and they must all work together to get back - back to the future!

two words... Galaxy Quest =^0.