New Footage shot with the BMPCC
 

This is better. Well, maybe...

Seems I am not permitted to embed here. Seems he want us to go first to his site and that's fair enough I guess.

Here's the link where he talks about this: Shooting from the Hip Pocket | johnbrawley

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I wonder why there is only one person in the world allowed to shoot with the thing and share the results and why they pick someone that doesn't have the time to produce something decent? The images look great for a quick handheld test but some more tripod footage would be nice for a change.

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Beats me, Noa, it sure beats me. Extreme close-ups of out-of-focus whiskers and a couple of soft landscapes! Must be some kind of weird marketing plan. Tripod footage, presumably, is not the province of the BMPCC.

Maybe they can't get it right. I'm loosing interest real fast..

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That's why I realy would like to see some controlled tripod or slider footage so you could at least look better at all the details in the image, now it's mostly all over the place, as if they have something to hide.

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My thinking precisely. Not very encouraging...

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the Vimeo site stream look better than the embedded stream on John's site.

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"I shot some tests with the BMCC alongside (the BMPCC) and there’s not much difference between them in resolution to the eye. I was actually surprised there wasn’t a bigger difference. There should be."

John Brawley

Shooting from the Hip Pocket | johnbrawley

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So Mr. Brawley, rather than tell us what you spied with your little eye show us the test footage in order that we might see for ourselves. For heaven's sake why not? That would be 'professional'.

All very strange! I remain hugely skeptical about this.

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The images are for you to judge. Not me. I'll happily give you my opinion if you wish but it's not that relevant to your requirements and needs is it ? That's why there are pictures for you to look at.

I generally don't allow embedding for a few days after I post something, usually because the footage get's linked without the context or description and people jump to conclusions that aren't correct because they haven't read the description that goes with the footage.

I shoot a lot more than I'm able to release. Firstly, I'm in pre production on a TV drama series and I can't just release test footage of cast and locations. I'm under NDA's.

The footage I'm able to steal also has to be approved for release by BMD. Also, under NDA with prototype footage. I release what I'm allowed to release but it doesn't mean I'm not shooting a lot more than what you get to see.

I'm good friends with the guys at BMD and they trust me and we live in the same country and I shoot with a lot of different cameras, so it's always easy for me to benchmark the cameras for them.

This is no different to the way we released footage for the BMCC. I showed some "home movies", then eventually, once the camera's firmware was finished to the point BMD was happy, I was able to organise a little shoot that was more "professional" and feature tripod shots (cause that's what marks a professional shoot).

Once the camera's firmware is done, you'll see more footage and camera original files.

There's no point in eating a roast that hasn't been baked.

Thanks for watching.

jb

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John Brawley Tests PRO 1 hour ago
With regards to softness and the "softness" of this image....
Firstly, people said the same thing about the BMCC when it came out...and this is a camera with no OLPF. I think we're used to seeing very processed images, Most .264 cameras tend to add sharpening in-camera as well as other things like coring.
The BMCC and RAW way is to give you un-adulterated images. Even in ProRes. So these images haven't been sharpened or noise reduced AT ALL.
You also have to remember that there IS a difference between this camera and the BMCC...resolution.
I think the softness people are seeing is more to do these two differences than the lenses. The SLR Magic, especially the 25mm is actually pretty sharp.
jb

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Now we’re getting somewhere (I think). Thanks for the post JB updating us here on the goings on regarding the forthcoming BMPCC. Indeed it is for us, the intending purchaser, to decide if the product is ‘relevant to your requirements and needs...’ Unfortunately thus far the pictures you have provided, that I am aware of, have not enabled that in my instance and perhaps more fool me I have already placed an order and paid a deposit. I fully appreciate the NDA thing and understand that you have only made available that which Blackmagic (and others) has approved.

It is helpful to have reviewed the circumstances regarding the softness we are seeing and hopefully that will be significantly reduced in the finished product however we should not expect the same level of sharpness as that obtained with the BMCC, is my read of the situation. Just how close remains to be seen. We wait with bated breath!

Be careful with the ‘baked’ metaphor. Some like it RAW you know! Right now seems it’s about half done. Please tell the mates at Blackmagic to turn up the heat on the engineers and those involved in getting this thing to market. After all the fanfare and high-powered hype at NAB expectations are on the front burner; boiling over in fact, and dipping fingers in for a test taste has been somewhat less than finger-licking lip-smacking wonderful.

Cheers.

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There are a lot less pixels in the pocket. Any bayer sensor should oversample by about 30% to give you the target resolution. That's why the 2.5K BMCC does such nice 1920.

So now with the pocket we have a sensor that's the same pixel size as the acquisition file.

It's also one of the main reasons RED went for 5K with the EPIC. They copped a lot of flack for claiming they were a true 4K camera. On a resolution chart though no one could get more than 3K of resolution. So the camera had a 4K sensor and created 4K files that had 3K of information.

For those that think that the pocket somehow supersedes the BMCC...this is a key difference.

RAW still needs to be processed or developed. You can't do anything with the RAW files till they are "cooked". The metaphor still works. You wouldn't eat the chicken RAW. You just want to be in control of how you season it and roast it. What Oven you use. What pans you use. What else you serve with it.... Rather than buying it pre-roasted like you do with any other non RAW camera.

Well it is a prototype !

Although BMD had a big presence at NAB, I wouldn't say that they HYPE things up beyond expectation. Most of that happens from others. Excited users, bloggers etc. BMD don't even commission demo footage like Canon and Panasonic do with celebrity shooters. The crazy hyping of the Movi comes to mind as perhaps an example of exuberance. I don't think BMD are guilty of that to the same degree. Yeah they get excited about what they are doing but they're not literally calling themselves game changers....

jb

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If I want to use tripods, sliders or rigs, why get a POCKET camera in the first place? The form factor literally asks for handheld and stealth shooting. The whole point of having a such a tiny camera, is NOT too use all that extra gear and being super fast and mobile. For everything else there are the original BMCs and the 4k. Horses for courses.

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Agreed. This will be incredible for run and gun work, shooting in urban areas, and stealth work. Think an extremely powerful cousin to the GoPro. Stick this on a Gorillapod with a short lens and it just looks like another P&S/consumer camera to the average person. Nothing to see here, move along. Just someone taking snapshots.

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Handheld shots might have their place but I don't like them in general, it reminds me too much of shaky vacation movies. A pocket camera that is able to provide high quality images is for me just a reason to get a small and light tripod and/or slider to fit in a backpack so I can go out on foot to shoot in places where I otherwise never would get with 3 times the weight. I will be waiting for the first videos to appear where I can actually see what the camera is capable of before I will purchase one.

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Regarding the hype nobody is ‘guilty’. No crime committed and I did not say nor mean to imply that Blackmagic were guilty of anything. Au contraire! They introduced a new product that caught the imagination, seriously, and if my memory serves me correctly didn’t it win a prize and was it not the star of the show?

Good on Blackmagic I say. And furthermore they were upfront, quite clear about it, that this product would produce footage softer (but very nice mind you) than the original BMCC.

And Noa, +1, other than that I have placed an order already. The form factor also literally asks this to be the camera of choice (rather than the BMCC) when the going gets rough; for instance think swamps, mountains, wildlife in the wilderness, and for us old farts just getting oneself there is something of a challenge - small and light is not only desirable but the only way to go. That’s what captured my imagination when it was announced. Horses for courses indeed.

And the price is right! If it was 10x like the competition I would certainly be in a wait and see mode too. No big deal. I’m just a tad disappointed that the footage I have viewed thus far has not been to my liking and presumably intentionally disallows critical examination. Now I understand why (I think) so this discussion, certainly from my point of view, is timely and helpful.

While right now June delivery that my dealer is talking about seems optimistic the really important point, and no doubt Blackmagic and JB would agree, is that at the end of the day when it hits the street it is well done.

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I have pre ordered one of these, and am very excited. No camera is perfect. But the thought of 13 stops of dynamic range, with proress and a compressed raw, for $1000. i cant wait and look forward to seeing more footage as we go along.

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Having just returned from 8 days in the Grand Canyon on the river, using an eos m (quite well thanks), i agree that i would have loved a pocket 4 k. What's the battery life like, and what are the batteries?

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there is not Pocket 4k.

There is the Pocket (HD) and the 4k, that has the normal BMC body..

Batteries are the standard Nikon type.

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Run and gun work with no autofocus, using just that tiny LCD with no viewfinder? Not a good situation messing with a manual focus only camera when you absolutely have to get the shot quickly, or the opportunity is gone. I can understand when you have some time to pull focus while setting up the shot for a documentary, for example, but not for run and gun work.

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You need to use a fast, wide (10-16mm) lense anyway for handheld, unless you don't want to shoot Blairwitch 3.
So focus should not be too problematic.

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I have been looking at lenses for this cam and concluded that, as you said Frank, wide for hand-held run-n' gun especially if the lens does not include image stabilization, but I also concluded that when shooting where light was more than adequate, outdoor daytime, then fast is less desirable as shooting wide open will result in shallower DoF making accurate focusing much more critical. I would have thought a wide lens shooting, 10 - 16mm for sure, at around f8 depending on the lens might have been appropriate, and much less expensive as a side benefit.

Now, shooting indoors by candle light (hardly run-n’ gun) is another matter.

And I hasten to add I am no expert in these matters by any means, so please feel free to set me straight.

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Walk slowly and gun, maybe?

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I'm loving the idea of using this camera for indie film making. Small form factor, with raw and 13 stops of dynamic range. Looking forward to doing some narrative projects with it. Eventually ill get the 2.5k camera as well. I don't think I need 4k.

That photo with the Arri 18-80 lens is awesome. Looking forward to outfitting this a little bit.

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It's totally doable. Look at the amount of run and gun shot on t3is and 7ds. It's just an acquired skill.