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Steve Kimmel October 27th, 2011 07:15 PM

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The thing that amazes me most: Canon has created quite a stir with a simple, obtuse ad.

Thing that amazes me 2nd most: that nothing has leaked out yet!

Steve Game October 28th, 2011 01:09 AM

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Rather its nothing that many want to hear has leaked out. Any hints about what it really is would be completely dismissed (or not even noticed) by those so obsessed with the rumours.

Steve

Peer Landa October 28th, 2011 01:13 AM

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Anyone knows if the Canon Nov. 3rd and/or the RED event will be podcasted...?

-- peer

Jeff Walters October 28th, 2011 02:43 AM

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"Rather its nothing that many want to hear has leaked out. Any hints about what it really is would be completely dismissed (or not even noticed) by those so obsessed with the rumours."

Hope you're not drinking the printer cool aide! Fact: At least 2 cameras coming, and they will not disappoint.

Simon Wood October 28th, 2011 04:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kimmel (Post 1692055)
The thing that amazes me most: Canon has created quite a stir with a simple, obtuse ad.

Thing that amazes me 2nd most: that nothing has leaked out yet!

Well, before the 'official' announcement from Canon that there would be an announcement on November 3rd, there were a number of strong rumors circulating from at least 2 sources that Canon was about to release 2 cameras in November.

Those rumors stated that they would release both EF and PL mount cameras with the XF 4:2:2 codec.

These rumors stated that the EF mount camera would be affordable, and aimed at the same prosumer territory that the FS100 is in (i.e. no HD/SDI, probably 1080p), while the PL mount would aimed at a more professional market, would be more expensive (with HD/SDI out, possible 4K though presumably it would need a more robust codec if thats the case).

Those rumors came out before the November 3rd announcement, but did specify a November release from Canon, so it would appear whoever leaked the information had some knowledge that proved correct.

We'll soon know.

Justin Molush October 28th, 2011 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Wood (Post 1692118)
Those rumors stated that they would release both EF and PL mount cameras with the XF 4:2:2 codec.

These rumors stated that the EF mount camera would be affordable, and aimed at the same prosumer territory that the FS100 is in (i.e. no HD/SDI, probably 1080p), while the PL mount would aimed at a more professional market, would be more expensive (with HD/SDI out, possible 4K though presumably it would need a more robust codec if thats the case).

The low end camera BETTER have SDI out OR a clean HDMI feed. That would break the deal for me... XF105 would be better for my application then...

Less than a week.... Lets go Canon...

Don Miller October 28th, 2011 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kimmel (Post 1692055)
The thing that amazes me most: Canon has created quite a stir with a simple, obtuse ad.

Thing that amazes me 2nd most: that nothing has leaked out yet!

There's no way of knowing what has leaked until post announcement. It's really Red that has messed with people's expectations. After November 3 people can sit down and really look at what equipment works for what they shoot.

A lot of people are invested in Canon equipment and technique. It's not an issue of a response to an ad, but of a future direction.

Dan Brazda October 28th, 2011 11:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Miller (Post 1692173)
It's really Red that has messed with people's expectations.

I hope for ALL of us Red continues to "mess with" the industry. If it weren't for them, I'm convinced the industry would have settled with 1080P and affordable S35 cameras would have been simply a fantasy.

Before anyone calls me out for being a Red "fanboy", I too am watching Nov 3 very carefully and I will buy the best product for my purposes regardless of manufacturer. If it turns out to be a 4K Canon, I will still feel confident that without Red that Canon camera that I just purchased may have never come to be.

Steve Game October 28th, 2011 02:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Walters (Post 1692105)
"Rather its nothing that many want to hear has leaked out. Any hints about what it really is would be completely dismissed (or not even noticed) by those so obsessed with the rumours."

Hope you're not drinking the printer cool aide! Fact: At least 2 cameras coming, and they will not disappoint.

What is 'printer cool aide'?

Bill Davis October 28th, 2011 03:05 PM

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Printer cool ade - appears to be a delicate mixture of 12 separate flavors.

Very exotic.

Very expensive to supply

Particularly the need to re-supply it with sweet, lightly sweet, extra lightly sweet, demi-sweet and semi-sweet cartridges in order to maximize the "tonalities" of sweetness you can reproduce.

(just joking, kids!)
I understand the quest for greyscale control - and applaud Canon for their search for the highest possible results, even if I can't afford to own and feed a beast like the new Pixma!

Dylan Couper October 28th, 2011 03:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brazda (Post 1692201)
I hope for ALL of us Red continues to "mess with" the industry. If it weren't for them, I'm convinced the industry would have settled with 1080P and affordable S35 cameras would have been simply a fantasy.

Agree, Red brought S35 down to under $50,000, but I'd give more credit to Canon for (accidentaly) bringing S35 (ok, ok, APS-C) cameras to the masses with the 7D. Now we've got S35 for $5000.

Steve Kalle October 28th, 2011 05:15 PM

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An EF model and one with PL will be released with both recording to CF cards using their 50Mb 422 codec. There shouldn't be much else to differentiate between the two cameras.

There was some speculation that Canon would release a 4k camera when Jim Jannard apparently first heard about it from insiders and immediately came out and defended his cameras. Maybe someone was conducting counterintelligence in order to mess with him.

Lawrence Bansbach October 28th, 2011 05:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kalle (Post 1692280)
An EF model and one with PL will be released with both recording to CF cards using their 50Mb 422 codec. There shouldn't be much else to differentiate between the two cameras.

Wow, that's underwhelming.

Robert Sanders October 28th, 2011 06:23 PM

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And it's inaccurate.

Simon Wood October 29th, 2011 01:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Bansbach (Post 1692283)
Wow, that's underwhelming.

If that was all that it is, would it really be underwhelming (assuming it is competitively priced)? Perhaps peoples expectations are too high.

If you had said a year ago that an affordable DSLR type camera was about to be released, without moire & aliasing, with XLR inputs, clean HDMI out (possible and hopefully HD/SDI) and with an industry standard robust codec (generally accepted by the likes of the BBC & Discovery), well that would have been everyones dreams answered. Whats changed?


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