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Gary Huff April 22nd, 2015 05:28 PM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Jon Roemer (Post 1884186)
And if you had read the thread you'd see that of course I know what list price means.
So why did you take the time to post a video and specifically mention the $20k list price? What is the point you are trying to make exactly?

Jon Roemer April 22nd, 2015 07:25 PM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1884217)
So why did you take the time to post a video and specifically mention the $20k list price? What is the point you are trying to make exactly?
I had posted on p. 2 of this thread, http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-ci...ml#post1883038 , in response to Mark Dobson, that the pricing I had seen for the Mark II all said $16k (e.g. NewsShooter.com). There was no mention of list prices above that. So, my hope was that similar to the Mark I release, the actual street price would be below that.

Paul Chiappini responded that the list he saw was $20k w/a street price of $16k but his source was Engadget. Engadget doesn't always get its camera info correct. Paul also said, "Hopefully we'll know more regarding pricing in the next few days."

So, when I happened to see Canon officially saying, $20k list, $16k street, it was confirmation of the situation.

Given that I quoted Paul with my posting of the video it's pretty clear that I'm saying - hey, here's confirmation.

Gary Huff April 22nd, 2015 09:07 PM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
B&H has it up and listed for $15,999. So does Texas Media Systems, EVS, AbelCine, and many others. Why is that not good enough?

Jon Roemer April 22nd, 2015 09:46 PM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1884239)
B&H has it up and listed for $15,999. So does Texas Media Systems, EVS, AbelCine, and many others. Why is that not good enough?
Gary - you're missing the context. The discussions above are from about a week ago to almost two weeks ago when the camera was first announced.

When the discussion started none of those vendors had it up and listed. Then $16k appeared on B&H's site but at the time there was still no confirmation from Canon USA as to whether $16k was list or a street price. That's why the discussion was going on. That's why my post made sense a week ago and my earlier one made closer to the camera announcement on the 8th made sense.

Mark Dobson April 23rd, 2015 01:56 AM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
Someone, somewhere mentioned they thought it a shame that the C300 Mark 2 had not been called the C400. That would have left the C300 as a viable 1080p entity ( which it is ! ) rather than a bit of a has been.

As to the final sale price of the C300 Mark 2 we will just have to wait but fingers crossed it starts heading downhill.

Canons decision to slash the price of the C300 might be great for potential new owners but creates a slight feeling of distrust for me. Buying the C300 was a big investment for my company, a definite step up in terms of the amount I'm used to paying for a camcorder / DSLR set up, and to see a couple of grand knocked off my investment hurts.

To widen the debate slightly and for another perspective on this announcement here is a blog post from a Cameraman / DoP Daniel Haggett ( who is also a childhood friend of my eldest son ). His blogs are always well researched and informative.

Sony FS7 vs Canon C300 Mark ii vs Sony F5
Sony FS7 vs Canon C300 Mark ii vs Sony F5

For me the C300 Mark 2 seems irresistible and I need to look at how I'm going to finance it. But I won't make a final decision until I've spent a good period of time playing with the XC100 4k camera to see how the additional resolution and consequential additional storage demands will impact on my business.

Gary Huff April 23rd, 2015 04:53 AM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Dobson (Post 1884257)
But I won't make a final decision until I've spent a good period of time playing with the XC100 4k camera to see how the additional resolution and consequential additional storage demands will impact on my business.
It's quite substantial and unless you have 4K monitoring, you'll be hard pressed to see the difference.

But the attraction of the C300 Mark II, for me, isn't 4K. It's 12-bit 1080p/2K internally.

Jim Martin April 23rd, 2015 09:58 AM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
Exactly!

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

Scott Stoneback April 27th, 2015 10:17 PM
Re: C300 Mark II announcement discussion
 
Ain't that the truth! I use one soundie who always give me "the look". But it is true, the darn buttons are noisy on the C300. And, that viewfinder info is just way too cluttered. I like to turn display off but there are a few things I like to keep an eye on in the LCD. So, a two noisy clicks... and I see the info again!

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Originally Posted by Derek Reich (Post 1883552)
Okay, as both a long time Sony and Canon user, I can see merits for all the varied opinions for each in this post so far, just as there always is when comparing different camera manufacturers. Some people like Ford, some like Chevy. They all do the job in competent hands. But I have a couple of pressing questions, which have nothing to do with the new sensor, the LUTs or 4K. Maybe it's been covered here already (I admit I skimmed!) but did Canon fix the buttons on the camera to be a 'soft click'?? It's one of the things which drives me crazy on the 300.... you're set up in a quiet interview setting, and I have a compulsive habit of constantly checking focus, especially when using a very shallow DOF, and the subject can't sit still. I do this by obviously utilizing both magnification and peaking, and while the noise from the buttons rarely (if ever) has made it to the recording, it has caused me to receive stink-eye from more than one producer. They don't really know what I'm doing, all they hear is the constant 'click-click-click' as I toggle through magnification, peaking, zebra and this brings me to my other pet peeve with the C300. WHEN is Canon going to get the hint that we don't need all the display data in both the LCD and VF at the same time?? Did they change these small but somewhat annoying little specs?


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