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Josh Dahlberg November 24th, 2008 04:11 AM

Thanks Dan,

A little off topic, but I did a little scan through your work for the Guardian - you do an amazing job, at times in immensely traumatic conditions; I imagine you must see a lot more (and live a lot more) each year than some of us do in a lifetime.

I'm glad you're taking a little time out to keep us all posted on your new toy,

Josh

Bob Thompson November 24th, 2008 04:40 AM

Dan,

Great footage you really captured the night atmosphere of Beijing. Did you find that you attracted less attention on the streets by using a still camera against a video camera. I normally have found that a video camera attracts a lot of on-lookers

I was surprised that you did not have more 50Hz flicker from the fluorescent lights but maybe with large banks of fluro they are on different phases so maybe that has helped cancel out the flicker effect

Steve Mullen November 24th, 2008 05:18 AM

Dan, just wonderful footage and a really great job of editing.

Beijing looks so different than it did in the mid `80s when I was working there. Wow!

I watched the Nikon night footage and I was not horrified as I expected to be given the negative comments on the Nikon. I could almost see the extra noise as film grain.

I sense we are on the verge of sea change, much like when DV arrived.

PS: Since I can't afford the Canon or the Nikon (I think) I'm seriously looking at trying the Casio EX-F1. What I like about it, compared to any $1000 camcorder, is its manual focus lens-ring, a power zoom level (to zoom-in fast to get focus) and a button that locks exposure. (Or, locks both AE and AF.) As long as everything stays constant during each shot, I can use the Media Composer CC that has the ability to create gamma curves to "fix" most exposure errors (if they occur).

Don Miller November 24th, 2008 09:30 AM

Most Contax (Zeiss) lenses will also work on a 5D via adapter. Many Olympus lenses fit too. My daytime lineup for video is looking like:

14-24mm Nikon with special adapter (G Nikon have no aperture ring)
35-70mm Contax with dumb adapter
70-200mm Canon, taped if necessary

It's rather bizarre that Canon has designed a camera that encourages users to buy Nikon glass.

Don Miller November 24th, 2008 09:33 AM

I would be interested in seeing a typical histogram of night shots out of the camera. Also, any 1080p torrent files?

Josh Brusin November 24th, 2008 10:00 PM

I noticed that the focal plane drops off in a few scenes... like the guy working on his scooter. Why is that?

Dan Chung November 25th, 2008 04:40 AM

Josh,
That's an 85mm shift lens specifically designed to do just that.

Don,
I don't have access to anywhere I can host 1080p, does anyone?

Bob,
I had onlookers but not as many as I thought I might attract with a big rig. It is a different experience to shooting stills though.

Dan

Chris Hurd November 25th, 2008 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Chung (Post 968636)
I don't have access to anywhere I can host 1080p, does anyone?

We'll hook you up, Dan -- I'll contact you via email and get you set up for FTP upload access directly to DV Info Net.

Dan Chung November 25th, 2008 12:55 PM

Chris,

That's great, how big a file can you handle?

Dan

Chris Hurd November 25th, 2008 01:33 PM

We can handle a pretty good size -- contact me via email, chris at dvinfo dot net -- we'll work it out.

Chris Hurd November 25th, 2008 11:41 PM

Dan's full 1080p clip can be downloaded at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/photo-hd-...-5d-mk-ii.html

Chris Soucy November 25th, 2008 11:51 PM

Nope.............
 
The QuickTime curse on Win XP strikes again.

Everything just falls in a heap.

Shame, would have enjoyed watching that.

I get the start of the Guardian logo intro then it simply dissapears up it's own exhaust pipe.

Bugger.


CS

Jenn Kramer November 25th, 2008 11:57 PM

You could try downloading VLC and watching it. It works on my Mac, at least.

VideoLAN - Free and Open Source software and video streaming solutions for every OS!

Chris Soucy November 26th, 2008 12:11 AM

Nope.............
 
Just manages to hang the entire system even better than before.

Going backwards here.....

Whatever happened to "cross platform operability"?

Probably mowed down by a bloody train.

The problem seems to be that the server doesn't give me an option to either save or run. Run is it, and Quicktime is the run of it's choice. Instant "up exhaust pipe".


CS

Jenn Kramer November 26th, 2008 03:50 AM

You should be able to right-click on the link in the sticky and do a 'Save as...' or 'Download Link Target...' depending on your browser.

Darrin Altman November 26th, 2008 03:14 PM

Dan - loved your video and am so excited about the possibilities with this camera.

Dan or anyone here: I read that you converted your clips to Pro Res 422. I am trying to visualize that process. Did you set up a Pro Res 422 sequence in FCP and just import your clips that way, render and export or did you use Compressor or Quicktime Pro to convert. Probably a basic process I am for some reason unsure as to the best approach.

Any info / advice is greatly appreciated.

Matt Buys November 26th, 2008 06:13 PM

Dan, thanks for the shots. Makes me want to visit Beijing. Quick semi OT. What is the object the people are kicking in the vimeo video that looks like a feathered lawn dart?

Josh Dahlberg November 27th, 2008 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrin Altman (Post 969405)
Dan - loved your video and am so excited about the possibilities with this camera.

Dan or anyone here: I read that you converted your clips to Pro Res 422. I am trying to visualize that process. Did you set up a Pro Res 422 sequence in FCP and just import your clips that way, render and export or did you use Compressor or Quicktime Pro to convert. Probably a basic process I am for some reason unsure as to the best approach.

Any info / advice is greatly appreciated.

Dan used the free application MPEG Streamclip (according to another of his posts).

When working with a lot of footage, I'd be inclined to make a rough cut in the native H.264 before transcoding, to save time and drive space. Then CC the Prores version.

I also use Episode but I'm no compression expert. I'd also be curious to know if there's any difference in the quality of H.264 > Prores transcoding between Compressor, MPEG Streamclip, Episode, and a straight export from FCP.

Sterling Youngman December 23rd, 2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Chung (Post 967815)
1. In Movie mode the HDMI outputs 1080i when you are framing up and sorting focus and exposure. It has the overlays the same as D90 and the 16x9 image does not fill the width of the screen.

Is it not possible to turn off the overlay? I would like to record the HDMI directly to a computer.

Cheers,

Sterling

Dee Joslin December 27th, 2008 08:27 AM

After watching the clip "Prism", I get the feeling I'm watching the Korean version of "Reverie".

Not that that it's a bad thing but the similarity is uncanny. A guy in a white suit traveling around looking for a beautiful girl...blah blah blah. All that is missing is the helicopter.

Both nicely done, showing the awesome video from the 5Dll.

Dee Joslin December 27th, 2008 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Dahlberg (Post 969557)
Dan used the free application MPEG Streamclip (according to another of his posts).

I believe he used MPEG Streamclip to convert to Xdcam EX. Does MS convert to ProRes?

Dee Joslin December 27th, 2008 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Chung (Post 968118)
I'm going to hold off on making a judgement on how 5DmkII footage compares to that of the Sony EX until I've had more time to test it. Initial impressions are that the EX still give more lattitude and a crisper image but I reserve the right to amend that assesement.

I have done 2 comparisons of 5d Mark ll footage vs. EX1 footage over the past 2 weeks. This was not side by side but shooting the identical subject in pretty much the same environment from exactly the same spot.

I will post next week but I'm giving the "image quality" of the 5D the nod over the EX1. I'll go into the technicalities when I post the clips. Having said that, I don't see the 5D as a replacement of the EX1(3) or HVX or any video camera. It's not a video camera. It's a high end DSLR that happens to shoot a very solid quality 1080p. Although I did let my EX1 go in order to get the 5D, but hey, I'd rather love and lost than to never own an EX1 in the first place. I'll be doing a shoot at Longwood Gardens in PA. next week as well.

Toenis Liivamaegi December 28th, 2008 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Youngman (Post 983102)
Is it not possible to turn off the overlay? I would like to record the HDMI directly to a computer.

HDMI out drops to 480P when recording is activated - Japanese engineering wonders via marketing.

Sterling Youngman December 28th, 2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toenis Liivamaegi (Post 984971)
HDMI out drops to 480P when recording is activated - Japanese engineering wonders via marketing.

this doesn't bother me, because if I record directly into a computer, I wouldn't need to turn on the camera record feature so I it wouldn't switch to 480P.

-S


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