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Chris Barcellos April 12th, 2010 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Luce (Post 1513025)
Is the chroma key test published? Or upcoming?

I am guessing there will be a lot of surprises on that. I was surprized about two weeks into having the camera (5D), when I shot a promo for a contest. Now I am not saying we shot it perfect, and that there aren't some problems, but we shot this in a quick set up in my garage and with the screen to close, and with all the wrong light, and I pulled the key in Vegas.... As a result I am pretty sure there will be good results from their test. Here is the promo:


Steve Kahn April 17th, 2010 09:45 PM

4k projection???
 
Did I hear the video right (I believe they said) that the 5D et. al. were comparable to film on the 40 foot screen?

Were the DSLR videos up-resed to 4k for 4k projection alongside the film clips? Did they use a 4k projector?

Kirk Candlish April 18th, 2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mastrogiacomo (Post 1512737)
Put your glass down and don't drink too much Zacuto cool-aid.

All these tests are meant to show the strengths of the DSLR's.

The third test is going to focus on color and chroma keying.

The big achilles heal of these cameras is the morie/alaising and rolling shutter. These are MAJOR problems, yet they are not addressing them.

I can understand it, because Zacuto makes money selling DSLR accessories.

Like I said earlier, don't drink too much kool-aid.

I agree completely.

Zacuto has maybe another year before the market tanks. His stuff looks cool, works relatively well but is terribly overpriced. With enough of this kind of promo he'll make a lot of money in the next year.

Then the real changes in the market will begin:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...shown-nab.html

Steven Fokkinga April 18th, 2010 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kahn (Post 1515752)
Did I hear the video right (I believe they said) that the 5D et. al. were comparable to film on the 40 foot screen?

Were the DSLR videos up-resed to 4k for 4k projection alongside the film clips? Did they use a 4k projector?

No, it was a 2K environment:

"The test results were projected in a 2K theatrical environment at three screening locations: Stag Theater at Skywalker Ranch, LucasFilms Ltd., AFI (American Film Institute) Theater in Hollywood and the FilmWorkers Astro Color Timing Theater in Chicago."

Steve Kahn April 18th, 2010 09:32 AM

Then to me a 4k projection test would be very interesting.

Ben Denham May 30th, 2010 06:12 AM

Episode 3 has been posted, (or as the zacuto people call it "webisode 3", just silly really isn't it?).

The Great Camera Shootout 2010 - Film Vs DSLR Comparison | Zacuto

Bryan McCullough May 30th, 2010 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Denham (Post 1533019)
Episode 3 has been posted, (or as the zacuto people call it "webisode 3", just silly really isn't it?).

The Great Camera Shootout 2010 - Film Vs DSLR Comparison | Zacuto

Zacuto didn't coin that term, it's been around for quite a while. I like it.

Ben Denham May 30th, 2010 08:13 AM

Call me a purist but I believe you coin a new word when it is actually need one. "Episode" is just as good for a series of shows on web or TV.

Was it just me or did the D3 do something horrible to the skin tones in the colour test?

Tony Davies-Patrick May 30th, 2010 09:02 AM

Episode, webisode, part 3 or whatever you want to call it, was the best of the bunch so far. Very interesting comparisons and conclusions.

Ben Denham May 30th, 2010 08:10 PM

I agree there was some great stuff in this episode. Although, as with the other episodes, I would have liked to have heard more from the film-makers in the theatre. Their comments are really invaluable in thinking about these cameras.

I would also have liked to have seen the un-keyed green screen footage to see how much the funky colours in the girl's jeans were caused by pulling the key.

The episode also reinforces the value of a high-quality intermediate codec (prores, cineform etc.). Just because, with faster computers and newer software, you can edit the native files, doesn't mean you should.

Jon Fairhurst May 31st, 2010 03:44 PM

Jeans can be tough - especially if they are somewhat reflective. For DvSLR video, I recommend avoiding them - not just for keying, but for general color correction. And they often have a thread pattern that could cause aliasing.

And I think there is a misconception about the codec thing. The key isn't to transcode. That can add new artifacts. The key is to work with a bit-deep, 4:4:4 color space, if possible. It really depends on the architecture of the video chain that you are using. If decoding 8-bit, 4:2:0 h.264 means that you're stuck with 8-bit 4:2:0 processing, then avoid it. However, I believe that you can take the original files into After Effects and process everything in a robust color space. If step 1 is to apply noise reduction and to provide 32-bit float 4:4:4 from there forward, you're golden.

One thing for sure, do not process in 8-bits. If you do that, you're guaranteed to see contour lines and other horrible artifacts, regardless of the codec.

Overall, Part 3 rocked. I would have liked to have seen more closeups of the keys from each of the cameras.

And, was it my imagination, or did the 5D2 have MORE DOF than the 7D on the text shot? The text from the 5D2 was sharper and had some color aliasing. The 7D was softer, so it aliased less.

The bottom line is that you can choose softness or aliasing with these cameras. A somewhat shallow DOF is the best way to avoid aliasing in the backgrounds. And in that case, the audience doesn't expect detail.


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